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Are any of you beginning to hate Apple, for whatever reason?
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Hi there my first post on these forums because i wanted to discuss "a very serious topic". Please don't consider this trolling because I'm not. I actually would consider myself a true (former) "apple fanboy." I've spent ridiculous amounts of money on apple products over the years, including macs, iphones, ipods etc. I even own an (amazing btw) mac pro 13. However lately I've just somehow starting to dislike Apple... a lot. It's a bit like popular music. I used to love it but today I just... I don't know. Not sure if its the direction they are going lately or I'm just getting old.
So yeah am I alone in this? For the record I'm pretty sure my next phone and computer is also going to be Apple. Habits are quite hard to break.
So yeah am I alone in this? For the record I'm pretty sure my next phone and computer is also going to be Apple. Habits are quite hard to break.
Well you clearly missed the point of the thread. The actual topic is why do I feel like this.
I'll take the teenager comment as a compliment.
Well if you can't really relate feel free to visit the next thread in the list. If I actually am alone in this mods can lock this up!
I hate Apple because I bought a thousand stocks of AAPL at $6, and sold them all when it hit $8
LOL! I think it's not Apple you're angry at
I don't hate... but highly irritated. Apple products don't wow me anymore... there's no excitement. Particularly the iPhone. I don't know why I wasted my money on upgrading from the 6.. Peek and Pop my ass. Everyday I have buyers remorse
Apple do something innovative!!!!
That being said.. my iPhone 6s+ does everything I need "very well"
I kinda feel like one of the weirdos who buy Toyota's appliances, I had every iPhone since the 4S
Apple do something innovative!!!!
That being said.. my iPhone 6s+ does everything I need "very well"
I kinda feel like one of the weirdos who buy Toyota's appliances, I had every iPhone since the 4S
I think the new stylus is.....rather a cool take on a dumb idea. The iPad Pro that goes along with it underwhelmed me. But I wouldn't write the company off, goodness. OS X/iOS still miles ahead of anything Microsoft (well, and Android... come at me fanboys) is doing. I can't really complain about lack of innovation when the system is 10x more stable than what I'd have otherwise.
I find it amusing how people complain about lack of innovation but have NO CLUE what they really want to see anyway. It basically goes like this:
Whiner: I don't like Apple they're not innovating wah wah wah.
Logic: So, what would you like them to innovate?
Whiner: I don't know! But I want it! And they aren't making it for me! I want to spend money on stuff that fills no need in my current life whatsoever! This way I can also complain about not having any money and beat up on Apple when Samsung copies it!
Logic: ...but how do you know you want it?
Whiner: Apple is boring me lately! Interactive stylus, bah! Stability, security, usability - BORING! I expect them to produce new and ingenious products that fry my few remaining braincells because I have no imagination and can't think for myself!
Last time I checked, they have "New Features" lists you can read before you buy.
I find it amusing how people complain about lack of innovation but have NO CLUE what they really want to see anyway. It basically goes like this:
Whiner: I don't like Apple they're not innovating wah wah wah.
Logic: So, what would you like them to innovate?
Whiner: I don't know! But I want it! And they aren't making it for me! I want to spend money on stuff that fills no need in my current life whatsoever! This way I can also complain about not having any money and beat up on Apple when Samsung copies it!
Logic: ...but how do you know you want it?
Whiner: Apple is boring me lately! Interactive stylus, bah! Stability, security, usability - BORING! I expect them to produce new and ingenious products that fry my few remaining braincells because I have no imagination and can't think for myself!
I don't understand what you'd expect from competing products... ?
You're irritated with Apple because they make a phone that does everything you want....? What else do you want it do, dry clean your socks? :?
Last time I checked, they have "New Features" lists you can read before you buy.
Love and Hate are not words that should be applied to machines. It's a tool. If it does what you need it to in an efficient way, use it. If not, then go find another tool.
I like my Apple devices and use them to do stuff. I also like my socket wrenches and use them to do stuff.
Dale
I like my Apple devices and use them to do stuff. I also like my socket wrenches and use them to do stuff.
Dale
I hate apple because:
1. They put quasi-useless Thunderbolt ports on my mid-2011 iMac (useful only to rich professionals in need of extra storage).
2. They dumbed down the Mac OS GUI. I hate the new Fisher-Price look.
3. They have not made any great advancement in gaming support on iMacs, however they would love you to wander the streets immersed in a cheap Frogger clone on one of their telephones.
4. They have started introducing needless new tech that you cannot opt out of, for instance Retina screens on iMacs, Thunderbolt, etc.
5. They have drastically reduced user serviceability of iMacs, introducing soldered-on CPUs, GPUs and RAM and glue, proprietary screws and more glue.
6. They insist of selling the lower priced models of iMacs with nasty components such as 5400RPM HDs, Intel graphics etc., that in effect force any user other than a computer neophyte to spend more.
7. They have revised iMac peripherals from a useabiltity point-of-view simply for the sake of it (ie, no visible gain whatsoever), whilst clearly highly inclined towards profitability, as a Magic Trackpad 2, for instance, is cost prohibitive. Phasing out the previous products forces users to give more to Apple when they could previously have simply invested in a set of rechargeable AA batteries which far outlast the inbuilt batteries in the v2 products by months per charge.
8. They insist on producing products that are incompatible with products from other vendors. If you want to connect an iMac to another device, make sure it is Apple-manufactured or forget it. Oh yes, you can now Airplay your screen to your TV so now you can mong-out on the sofa to dumbed down zombie fodder from American TV at your peril.
1. They put quasi-useless Thunderbolt ports on my mid-2011 iMac (useful only to rich professionals in need of extra storage).
2. They dumbed down the Mac OS GUI. I hate the new Fisher-Price look.
3. They have not made any great advancement in gaming support on iMacs, however they would love you to wander the streets immersed in a cheap Frogger clone on one of their telephones.
4. They have started introducing needless new tech that you cannot opt out of, for instance Retina screens on iMacs, Thunderbolt, etc.
5. They have drastically reduced user serviceability of iMacs, introducing soldered-on CPUs, GPUs and RAM and glue, proprietary screws and more glue.
6. They insist of selling the lower priced models of iMacs with nasty components such as 5400RPM HDs, Intel graphics etc., that in effect force any user other than a computer neophyte to spend more.
7. They have revised iMac peripherals from a useabiltity point-of-view simply for the sake of it (ie, no visible gain whatsoever), whilst clearly highly inclined towards profitability, as a Magic Trackpad 2, for instance, is cost prohibitive. Phasing out the previous products forces users to give more to Apple when they could previously have simply invested in a set of rechargeable AA batteries which far outlast the inbuilt batteries in the v2 products by months per charge.
8. They insist on producing products that are incompatible with products from other vendors. If you want to connect an iMac to another device, make sure it is Apple-manufactured or forget it. Oh yes, you can now Airplay your screen to your TV so now you can mong-out on the sofa to dumbed down zombie fodder from American TV at your peril.
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Well spoken sir.
For me, my computer is a tool. Therefore, if it's easy to use, functional, stable, secure, and dependable it is more than enough for me.
If someone takes the time to "hate" a machine for something as asinine as the color of the interface (which is at the same time easy to use) or whatever, they need more things to fill their time a/o priorities. No hating, just saying.
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Very easy to resolve these issues. Build a PC and run a command line interface. As for the phone complaints, a flip phone should do the trick. Probably screwed as far as gaming goes, though. Interfaces too complex.
Dale
Lately, yes. My hatred is rising significantly. With all tech really. Maybe it's a phase? I don't know. But Apple is being extremely annoying.
Three things I'm starting to dislike about Apple:
- iCloud push - I'm starting to hate that they're pushing so much of their ecosystem to iCloud. While they once made it easy to have a local server with family photos/videos/music/ect., with every release they're crippling those capabilities, in favor of their overpriced iCloud. This is making me seriously reevaluate editing Apple's ecosystem entirely, to the pint that I just ordered a Dell desktop and signed up for an Adobe subscription. Speaking of which, their iCloud is expensive!!! While I get 5x1TB of Onedrive free, with MS Office, Apple wants to charge me $10mo for 1TB?... never mind the fact that I do not want all my stuff in the cloud, and miss the ease in which older versions of Apple apps made local sharing simple.
- Disposable hardware - I hate the fact that just about everything that Apple now sells is non-serviceable, by all but the bravest of geeks. Gone are the days when we could update a card or drive, now we need to pretty much ditch a system, when we want to upgrade. And getting a broken component fixed costs about half of what it's worth. Now I get this for somethings, like iPads. but it's harder to stomach with iMacs and Mac Pros.
- Divergent mobile vision - OK, this isn't really a hate thing, but more of a polite disagreement. I think that Apple is behind the ball on making these two worlds disparate, though I's perfectly OK for anyone to disagree.
1. Apple is following the industry and if they didn't provide cloud services they'd be behind the 8 ball. I'm not really caring for much of the cloud offerings but cloud is the latest fad in the computer industry. I see the cloud push coming from all vendors, like Oracle, IBM and Microsoft. So this is occurring in the consumer segment and enterprise.
2. Agreed, apple has basically made it nearly impossible to upgrade or repair their hardware. I think they've been really sneaky about this and now the only way to improve performance on any given computer is to replace it. Dell, HP, you can upgrade the ram, storage and on desktops GPU.
3. I'm not sure what you mean by divergent mobile vision. Apple seems to be of one mind with his mobile offerings. They're very consistent, in fact I'd say too consistent. What I mean by that is forcing the iPad Pro to be running iOS where imo it may be a better product if it was running OS X.
For home-brew geeks I can see this - from my perspective, though, I never upgraded my own systems; so I'd rather have form and higher portability than clunkier designs that allowed me to upgrade stuff I would never upgrade.
For what it's worth, I won't ever see my iPhone as a desktop, and vice versa. I'm perfectly okay with them being entirely different, but intimately connectable, operating systems. A pocket computer with a camera, cellphone, and text messaging on a 5" screen will never be a 27" (hell or even a 13") computer that runs Photoshop and a programming environment, and I'd be a bit pissed if they started bundling an all-in-one OS on my phone, wasting space for stuff I won't use, and on my computer, dumbing down features I need.
I never understood the whole "it has to be one OS on all devices" mentality. It quite literally makes no sense when you consider the primary and even secondary tasks each is used for. Large screen devices are inherently used for entirely different tasks than 'pocket' screen devices.
While we're at it we can criticize Chevy or Ford for not making a 4x4 one-ton pickup truck that doesn't look and drive like a Porsche. I mean really! I want an all-in-one vehicle, damn them!
I wouldn't say anyone is consistent.
Maybe in hardware yes in some cases. but not software...
menu buttons at different corners of the screen depending on which setting your on, third party apps doing what they like and no restriction on things like GUI elements.
other phone makers do this to, so their to blame just as bad as Apple is..
One day, i hope everything is consistent. It tears my hair out every time i see a button move, then I remember, "It's Apple"
I don't think i'm even "beginning" to hate Apple. that was done a long time ago i switched to Mac's. and just like their cloud services from Mobile Me days,, there is zero improvement.
The only thing that keeps me a Mac user is the purchased apps. That's it. I make my own security, so Apple doesn't stop me there anyway.
Maybe in hardware yes in some cases. but not software...
menu buttons at different corners of the screen depending on which setting your on, third party apps doing what they like and no restriction on things like GUI elements.
other phone makers do this to, so their to blame just as bad as Apple is..
One day, i hope everything is consistent. It tears my hair out every time i see a button move, then I remember, "It's Apple"
I don't think i'm even "beginning" to hate Apple. that was done a long time ago i switched to Mac's. and just like their cloud services from Mobile Me days,, there is zero improvement.
The only thing that keeps me a Mac user is the purchased apps. That's it. I make my own security, so Apple doesn't stop me there anyway.
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Agreed on point 1, and I have no problem with Apple allowing me to easily leverage their cloud services - that's just keeping up with the Jones'es, and it;s a good thing. But when Apple disables local sharing capabilities that were previously baked into their ecosystem in an attempt to force me to host my data into the cloud, that's a very bad thing.
I was happy as a clam when my kids could upload and share all of our photos and videos on the family server. I am now outraged that that capability is no longer officially supported by Apple, effectively disabling it, and Apple now expects my family to pay to post the several TB of content that we have on their cloud. This one change, in and of itself, was a big catalyst in the migration that I'm now undertaking - moving away from the Apple ecosystem.
On Point 2, I agree it's irritating. I'm now typing this on a 2.5 yr old iMac that I now have to upgrade, because I want to use a higher resolution display. I was OK doing rip and replace upgrades for a while, but I'm now getting sick of it.
On point 3, I realize tat I'm probably in the minority. I simply find myself preferring the single OS approach, but I recognize that there are valid reasons to also have two OSs moving forward. But I will admit that seeing Apple release something like the iPP seems a bit like "jumping the Shark" to me, when there are now so many eloquent hybrid devices coming out. But again, I recognize that I'm in the minority here. And this is a small issue. Issues #1 and 2, however, are major for me. And this is why:
A UPS truck now has a big and ugly PC coming my way, which will replace my iMac. It's also why I recently bought a new XPS 13. But I'm still keeping my rMB, which I love, and may be the last OS X device I ever own? This, after ~25yrs of primarily being a Mac guy.
I'm mainly tired of having to rip and replace Apple's disposable systems, whenever I want to upgrade one capability. I also hate the fact that Apple is disabling the local sharing capabilities of their ecosystem apps.
I was happy as a clam when my kids could upload and share all of our photos and videos on the family server. I am now outraged that that capability is no longer officially supported by Apple, effectively disabling it, and Apple now expects my family to pay to post the several TB of content that we have on their cloud. This one change, in and of itself, was a big catalyst in the migration that I'm now undertaking - moving away from the Apple ecosystem.
On Point 2, I agree it's irritating. I'm now typing this on a 2.5 yr old iMac that I now have to upgrade, because I want to use a higher resolution display. I was OK doing rip and replace upgrades for a while, but I'm now getting sick of it.
On point 3, I realize tat I'm probably in the minority. I simply find myself preferring the single OS approach, but I recognize that there are valid reasons to also have two OSs moving forward. But I will admit that seeing Apple release something like the iPP seems a bit like "jumping the Shark" to me, when there are now so many eloquent hybrid devices coming out. But again, I recognize that I'm in the minority here. And this is a small issue. Issues #1 and 2, however, are major for me. And this is why:
A UPS truck now has a big and ugly PC coming my way, which will replace my iMac. It's also why I recently bought a new XPS 13. But I'm still keeping my rMB, which I love, and may be the last OS X device I ever own? This, after ~25yrs of primarily being a Mac guy.
I'm mainly tired of having to rip and replace Apple's disposable systems, whenever I want to upgrade one capability. I also hate the fact that Apple is disabling the local sharing capabilities of their ecosystem apps.
I don't (yet) hate Apple but I'm very annoyed by these things:
1. Very little real improvement to OS X after 10.6.8 (I don't count iCloud, iOS inspired "features", thumbing down of features, etc. as improvements) combined to very buggy releases (10.7, 10.10, 10.11) and yearly update cycle is trying my patience and I plan to stay in 10.9.5 for some years. If Apple doesn't get its act together I might have to eventually move to Linux which was some years ago completely impossible idea.
2. Several limitations in latest models regarding long term repairability or upgrades which means Macs are turning into appliances instead of computers. I could grudgingly accept this in laptops for the sake of smaller size but it's completely unacceptable in desktops which are supposed to be powerful and practical, not sculptures!
3. Ruining excellent software (iWork) or at least mediocre (iPhoto) with inferior replacements ("upgraded" Pages, Numbers, Keynote" and horrible Photos). Not to mention MAS which is as bad as it was 5 years ago and very little indication that Apple plans to improve it... To add insult to injury for some reason known only to Apple its almost impossible to permanently disable background processes that consume processor and RAM pointlessly (Photos agent, WIFI, iCloud, etc.) Combined they take about 10% of processor and 500 Mb of RAM which might not sound much but I hate having pointless processes running and wasting resources I can use for my software!
Back in the 10.6.8 days I was hopeful because OS X was constantly improving but now I'm looking at latest versions with suspicion and fear because of too many bugs that seems to get no attention. I mean Spotlight and Finder, not to mention HFS+ file system should have been retired already...
1. Very little real improvement to OS X after 10.6.8 (I don't count iCloud, iOS inspired "features", thumbing down of features, etc. as improvements) combined to very buggy releases (10.7, 10.10, 10.11) and yearly update cycle is trying my patience and I plan to stay in 10.9.5 for some years. If Apple doesn't get its act together I might have to eventually move to Linux which was some years ago completely impossible idea.
2. Several limitations in latest models regarding long term repairability or upgrades which means Macs are turning into appliances instead of computers. I could grudgingly accept this in laptops for the sake of smaller size but it's completely unacceptable in desktops which are supposed to be powerful and practical, not sculptures!
3. Ruining excellent software (iWork) or at least mediocre (iPhoto) with inferior replacements ("upgraded" Pages, Numbers, Keynote" and horrible Photos). Not to mention MAS which is as bad as it was 5 years ago and very little indication that Apple plans to improve it... To add insult to injury for some reason known only to Apple its almost impossible to permanently disable background processes that consume processor and RAM pointlessly (Photos agent, WIFI, iCloud, etc.) Combined they take about 10% of processor and 500 Mb of RAM which might not sound much but I hate having pointless processes running and wasting resources I can use for my software!
Back in the 10.6.8 days I was hopeful because OS X was constantly improving but now I'm looking at latest versions with suspicion and fear because of too many bugs that seems to get no attention. I mean Spotlight and Finder, not to mention HFS+ file system should have been retired already...
All excellent points, I will say that OS X has had some nice improvements, i.e., Continuity, which increases the integration of the Mac and iOS device. I think the biggest hurdle to seeing some major improvements to OS X is that they decided to rollout upgrades every year. Its hard to add a major feature in such a short time frame.
As for the Macs, yeah, even though I just bought an iMac, I agree. Apple's position is now making disposable products, forcing you to buy new ones instead of extending the lifespan of your current.
As for their Apps, they're horrid, and there's really nothing redeeming I can say about them. I've largely abandoned using any apple software at this point. I was an Aperture user for years, but between the lack of major updates for years and years to them killing it for an app that handles only a fraction of what Aperture did. I'm done. At least with adobe and MS, I have a better sense and peace of mind, that I have some top notch software that will keep improving.
I agree with everything @Ebenezum said.
Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, Google all suffer from the reaching the wall syndrome. At some point there is no more actual innovation to be added to software. Replacing iPhoto with Photos is not innovation, it's torture. Handoff is irritating me like hell so I switched it off. Launchpad is some sort of twisted joke. Updated (haha) Disk Utility – the same. Cursor getting larger when you shake it? Really? Split View – I could work pretty well with resizing the windows all by myself so far. SIP – the only thing it brought was breaking some apps I enjoyed using, even after I switched it off. Spotlight only works great on my laptop, largely because there's very little stuff on it. And where are the damn bug fixes?
In the meantime Adobe come up with a new version of Photoshop in which they got bored of rolling out updates with options switching positions in the toolbox so now you can switch positions all by yourself! Microsoft have innovated Windows by putting Start menu back after having removed it! And personalised stalking! I mean: user experience improvement through collecting data! At least Marshmallow is bringing an option to switch permissions on and off per app which I am really looking forward to.
I hate sounding like an old man yelling at cloud but I enjoyed computers more 3-4 years ago than I do now, no matter how much thinner they got in the meantime. Apple, M$, doesn't matter.
Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, Google all suffer from the reaching the wall syndrome. At some point there is no more actual innovation to be added to software. Replacing iPhoto with Photos is not innovation, it's torture. Handoff is irritating me like hell so I switched it off. Launchpad is some sort of twisted joke. Updated (haha) Disk Utility – the same. Cursor getting larger when you shake it? Really? Split View – I could work pretty well with resizing the windows all by myself so far. SIP – the only thing it brought was breaking some apps I enjoyed using, even after I switched it off. Spotlight only works great on my laptop, largely because there's very little stuff on it. And where are the damn bug fixes?
In the meantime Adobe come up with a new version of Photoshop in which they got bored of rolling out updates with options switching positions in the toolbox so now you can switch positions all by yourself! Microsoft have innovated Windows by putting Start menu back after having removed it! And personalised stalking! I mean: user experience improvement through collecting data! At least Marshmallow is bringing an option to switch permissions on and off per app which I am really looking forward to.
I hate sounding like an old man yelling at cloud but I enjoyed computers more 3-4 years ago than I do now, no matter how much thinner they got in the meantime. Apple, M$, doesn't matter.