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maflynn

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Fair deal, but this is something I would expect a freeware app to do, not a New Feature In El Capitan :)
But in the this case, its one of the small little niceties that apple introduced. I guess in one way you can think of it as apple working on improving the overall user experience of OS X by continuing to polish and introduce small features, so the user doesn't have to search for those freeware apps. Also, I didn't think I needed something like that until El Cap, and boom, I'm like that's cool. I kept losing the cursor and its really useful on my 5k iMac.
 
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villicodelirant

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I hate sounding like an old man yelling at cloud but I enjoyed computers more 3-4 years ago than I do now, no matter how much thinner they got in the meantime. Apple, M$, doesn't matter.

You do realize that computers are not really meant to be enjoyed, but to help bring home a paycheck to spend on things you can actually enjoy.

"Not irritating" is the best emotional response a computer can aim to elicit.

And there may lie your dissatisfaction.
 
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navaira

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You do realize that computers are not really meant to be enjoyed, but to help bring home a paycheck to spend on things you can actually enjoy.
I didn't know you were the Godfather of computing. Let me introduce you to "computer games", "making music", "computer art" and "browsing Internet".

Also, shockingly, there are jobs in the world that do not involve using a computer.

In case you were being sarcastic, apologies. Didn't come through.
 

villicodelirant

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I didn't know you were the Godfather of computing. Let me introduce you to "computer games", "making music", "computer art" and "browsing Internet".

But of course. That doesn't change my point very much, though.

Fun is had playing Halo, not launching Halo.
The Finder is supposed to let you launch Halo with minimal fuss, not entertain you.
You don't enjoy the Finder.

I don't know if you get my gist.
 

redheeler

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Oct 17, 2014
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4. They have started introducing needless new tech that you cannot opt out of, for instance Retina screens on iMacs, Thunderbolt, etc.
Yes, why is this "needless" new tech being added every generation? All our iMacs should still have 1024x768 displays and FireWire 400. :rolleyes:

Both Retina displays and Thunderbolt are substantial improvements on previous technology. I actually own a Retina iMac, and would hate to go back to anything less.
 
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Ebenezum

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Both Retina displays and Thunderbolt are substantial improvements on previous technology. I actually own a Retina iMac, and would hate to go back to anything less.

I didn't notice any difference between Retina display and standard display when testing Macs at the local Apple seller. I can see it would be a benefit for some but I don't see any need for it.

As for Thunderbolt its nice but peripherals are too pricy compared to USB3 for my needs.
 
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CrickettGrrrl

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You don't enjoy the Finder.

I certainly don't enjoy Finder anymore, however, up 'till a few months ago I did enjoy Finder considerably compared to today. I used a little app which loaded the original charming & colorful sidebar icons like Airdrop, etc. After the most recent update to Mavericks the app was broken and my sidebar now looks like a row of dreary grey, soul-sucking Soviet-era apartment blocks. I loathe the all grey, low-contrast line work in the new OS X UI's. Not to mention that all the similarity in the tiny icons makes the new UI less user friendly.
 
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maflynn

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I think the issue is more related to them no longer being the underdog. They had to swing for the fences on a number of products just to stay alive and once things turned around Apple started playing it safe.

Before, they had little to lose and much to gain, now, too much to lose, little to gain.
 

maxsix

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I think the issue is more related to them no longer being the underdog. They had to swing for the fences on a number of products just to stay alive and once things turned around Apple started playing it safe.

Before, they had little to lose and much to gain, now, too much to lose, little to gain.
You've summed it up quite nicely, I agree :D
 
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vkd

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I certainly don't enjoy Finder anymore, however, up 'till a few months ago I did enjoy Finder considerably compared to today. I used a little app which loaded the original charming & colorful sidebar icons like Airdrop, etc. After the most recent update to Mavericks the app was broken and my sidebar now looks like a row of dreary grey, soul-sucking Soviet-era apartment blocks. I loathe the all grey, low-contrast line work in the new OS X UI's. Not to mention that all the similarity in the tiny icons makes the new UI less user friendly.

Hear Hear.

I DO enjoy using the Finder. It is far more pleasurable to use in comparison to that awful experience provided by the Windows Explorer, for example.

Yes, since they (supposedly led by so-called tech demigod (demisod?) Jony (sic) Ive, the Mac OS GUI has gone swiftly downhill. The Coloured Sidebar in use up to Snow Leopard (at least) was far superior to the present dumbed down one you expertly describe.
 
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maxsix

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I DO enjoy using the Finder. It is far more pleasurable to use in comparison to that awful experience provided by the Windows Explorer, for example.
While I most certainly _respect_ that you enjoy Finder...

The _World_ runs on, thrives on, lives and relies on Microsoft's File System.

(aka: Windows Explorer)

I find it a priceless resource I use daily.

Logical and so easy my five year old is conversant in it's use, it's rather puzzling that you would call it an "awful experience".



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Explorer
 

vkd

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While I most certainly _respect_ that you enjoy Finder...

The _World_ runs on, thrives on, lives and relies on Microsoft's File System.

(aka: Windows Explorer)

I find it a priceless resource I use daily.

Logical and so easy my five year old is conversant in it's use, it's rather puzzling that you would call it an "awful experience".



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Explorer

Well that is only your personal opinion.
 

dk001

macrumors demi-god
Oct 3, 2014
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Love and Hate are not words that should be applied to machines. It's a tool. If it does what you need it to in an efficient way, use it. If not, then go find another tool.

I like my Apple devices and use them to do stuff. I also like my socket wrenches and use them to do stuff.

Dale

But I hate Husky and love Snap-On :D


Three things I'm starting to dislike about Apple:
  1. iCloud push - I'm starting to hate that they're pushing so much of their ecosystem to iCloud. While they once made it easy to have a local server with family photos/videos/music/ect., with every release they're crippling those capabilities, in favor of their overpriced iCloud. This is making me seriously reevaluate editing Apple's ecosystem entirely, to the pint that I just ordered a Dell desktop and signed up for an Adobe subscription. Speaking of which, their iCloud is expensive!!! While I get 5x1TB of Onedrive free, with MS Office, Apple wants to charge me $10mo for 1TB?... never mind the fact that I do not want all my stuff in the cloud, and miss the ease in which older versions of Apple apps made local sharing simple.
  2. ...

Never mind the fact that Apple has yet to make even a semi-decent cloud. They seriously need help in that area.
 

maflynn

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Never mind the fact that Apple has yet to make even a semi-decent cloud. They seriously need help in that area.
I read somewhere (I forget now where exactly) that apple excels at the one on one device, whether its a Mac, iPhone, iPad. Their entire history has been about rolling out devices that people use personally, i.e., the Apple II or the iPod. They continually struggle in the area of social products/services. Just look at Ping or their constant re-vamping of iTools, Mobile Me, iCloud.

I'm not terribly surprised at their inability to get the cloud right, because they have always struggled at it.
 

Micky Do

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You do realize that computers are not really meant to be enjoyed, but to help bring home a paycheck to spend on things you can actually enjoy.

"Not irritating" is the best emotional response a computer can aim to elicit.

And there may lie your dissatisfaction.
I'm inclined to agree with this point of view, and it is the reason I am inclined to go with Mac. I don't enjoy messing around with hardware and software. Computers are just a means used for doing things, a tool; the less I have to do to them, the better. I just want to be able to do stuff with minimal hassle.
 
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villicodelirant

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I certainly don't enjoy Finder anymore, however, up 'till a few months ago I did enjoy Finder considerably compared to today.

I don't know.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you sure you mean this?

Literally, as in "a significant pleasure in my life is using a computer file manager"?

Because that wouldn't sound out of place if uttered by the character Noel from Frasier (in case you are not familiar: the stereotypical '90s nerd).

Anyway, if it is truly so, good for you if you can find pleasure in such simple things.

I hope I can clarify, however, that my original point was that if you expect to get significant pleasure, enjoyment and happiness from a file manager it's hardly surprising that you end up dissatisfied :)
 

DevNull0

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Jan 6, 2015
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I DO enjoy using the Finder. It is far more pleasurable to use in comparison to that awful experience provided by the Windows Explorer, for example.

It's sad how twisted a closed mind can become.

OS X is essentially unusable now because the finder is so bad. You can't even tell where in the directory tree you are anymore, you can navigate around (besides moving up one level with an undocumented keyboard command). Using Yosemite/El Crapitan is like using a computer with one hand tied behind your back. It's all part of Apple's war on the file system.

Using windows file manager is like a welcome breath of fresh air after trying to do anything on MacOS. In windows everything just works. On the Mac everything is just locked away.
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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It's sad how twisted a closed mind can become.

OS X is essentially unusable now because the finder is so bad. You can't even tell where in the directory tree you are anymore, you can navigate around (besides moving up one level with an undocumented keyboard command). Using Yosemite/El Crapitan is like using a computer with one hand tied behind your back. It's all part of Apple's war on the file system.

Using windows file manager is like a welcome breath of fresh air after trying to do anything on MacOS. In windows everything just works. On the Mac everything is just locked away.
Things are unusable as far as the OS goes because it's not that simple to see where you are in the file structure in the finder? Seems like there's a path bar that can be enabled to show that, among other ways to tell. For most users it's hardly something that would get in the way (with most of them likely not even using any of that much at all), let alone make anything unusable.
 
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vkd

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It's sa... me.

OS X is essentially unusable now becaus...em.

Using windows file manager is like a welcome breath of fresh air after trying to do anything on MacOS. In windows everything just works. On the Mac everything is just locked away.

One wonders what a person of such mindset is doing on a site such as MacRumors. Stick to PC sites?
 
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navaira

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I certainly don't enjoy Finder anymore, however, up 'till a few months ago I did enjoy Finder considerably compared to today. I used a little app which loaded the original charming & colorful sidebar icons like Airdrop, etc. After the most recent update to Mavericks the app was broken and my sidebar now looks like a row of dreary grey, soul-sucking Soviet-era apartment blocks. I loathe the all grey, low-contrast line work in the new OS X UI's. Not to mention that all the similarity in the tiny icons makes the new UI less user friendly.
If you like this better:

Screen Shot 2015-12-11 at 16.32.59.png


...check XtraFinder. :)

I have no reason to hate Apple whatsoever. I think that some of their actions are either misguided or shareholder-oriented rather than customer-oriented and that makes me think of how Galaxy S III led to Samsung desperately scrambling to regain its position as premium mobile vendor. Apple are repositioning themselves to become a fashion brand, not a consumer electronics brand, as well. I don't like it. Can I do anything about it? No. The usual "if you don't like it go elsewhere" applies, except there is nobody else making a prettier and snappier Mac OS X. I bought the only product in entire Apple lineup that I care for on Black Friday weekend. Otherwise I either moved on to Android or continue using old equipment that can be upgraded if need be. Am I beginning to hate Apple? I'm beginning to be indifferent towards Apple.
 
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