Compared to the rest of the market, the iPhone isn't a top 10 smartphone.

[Ulenspiegel]

1. Installing apps is a very basic function of iOS/Android. I don't see any problem achieving a task using downloaded apps from App Store.

2/4. It increases your iPhone experience, but it still WORKS fine even if you choose not to use it. Same goes with iCloud, handoff, siri, etc.

3. Its a minimum requirements needed to run the program. Doesn't mean that the program couldn't/wouldn't utilize extra resources if available.

Again we are talking about different things or aspects:

1. Nobody stated that installing an app is not a basic function of iOS. The core of the debate was: Android can cope with the mentioned situation w/o any extra effort (workaround if you wish), while iPhone - citing you - needs iTines to fulfill the task.

2. You stated that for fulfilling the task iPhone needs iTunes. No more questions from my part.

3. You were compairing the needed resources (making a bootable USB and installing, running iTunes). Remember? I stressed out that the system requirements are different for both of the actions. If your PC does not meet the minimum system requirements then the software won't run.

Actually, I got tired of this exchange of "views". Please, feel free to comment, but I won't reply.

 

[diamond.g]

First it was xls, images and pdfs. But sure enough, you changed the scope of the argument to be as esoteric as possible. I don't have a zip file on hand and i'm too busy to start scavenging for one. And like i said in the begining, not every esoteric use is covered. But theres your original pdf, image and xls option. Not as restrictive as you think.

It may not be as straightforward as Android due to the hidden filesystem. But its not impossible and didn't take me more than seconds.

I'm bored now. We get it you like Android more than iOS. Fair enough. Enjoy.

Me, i like all three OSes.

Out of curiosity, how did you do that on iOS?

 

[animalx]

Like I told you few post back. I have a working windows USB installer, and I copied the whole installer to a new USB drive. By your logic it should work since its already in bootable arrangement when I copied it. But it doesn't.

No...it wouldn't... because we aren't talking about the same thing.. That's what you're not seeming to understand....

 

[ravipiero]

Again we are talking about different things or aspects:



1. Nobody stated that installing an app is not a basic function of iOS. The core of the debate was: Android can cope with the mentioned situation w/o any extra effort (workaround if you wish), while iPhone - citing you - needs iTines to fulfill the task.



2. You stated that for fulfilling the task iPhone needs iTunes. No more questions from my part.



3. You were compairing the needed resources (making a bootable USB and installing, running iTunes). Remember? I stressed out that the system requirements are different for both of the actions. If your PC does not meet the minimum system requirements then the software won't run.



Actually, I got tired of this exchange of "views". Please, feel free to comment, but I won't reply.

1. Yeah, so? OP stated if he had an iPhone it can't be done. I gave him a workaround on how it can be done. Remember its a specific situation. I could also create a specific situation where you need a workaround on Android but you can do it natively on iOS.

2. For fulfilling that SPECIFIC task, not every task. It's not like your iPhone will stop working if you don't use iTunes enough

3. I doubt OP friends' OS doesn't meet iTunes minimum requirements, since Win 7 requirements itself is higher than that.

Same here, tired explaining to you the same things repeatedly.

 

[mercuryjones]

No...it wouldn't... because we aren't talking about the same thing.. That's what you're not seeming to understand....

I think you misspoke. You didn't so much "copy" an image to the USB. It sounds like you wrote the preconfigured image to the USB, which made the drive bootable and then put the files on there. Is that correct?
It's kind of misleading in the way you stated it. If this isn't what you did, then correct me. And, if this is what you did, then you are both right.

 

[animalx]

I think you misspoke. You didn't so much "copy" an image to the USB. It sounds like you wrote the preconfigured image to the USB, which made the drive bootable and then put the files on there. Is that correct?
It's kind of misleading in the way you stated it. If this isn't what you did, then correct me. And, if this is what you did, then you are both right.

Exactly! You understand what I'm talking about.

The original statement was:
"Another real world scenario that has come up a few times for me is when my phone has come in handy with computer imaging. I've been in the field, and the computer image that was provided turned out to be the incorrect one. To remedy the situation, the guys in the office uploaded a new image on a link, for me to download. I downloaded said image to my phone, and then put it on a thumb drive directly from my phone (OTG). The thumb drive now had the working image, and I was able to do what I needed to do. If I had been using an iPhone, I wouldn't have been able to do what I did.
That said, like with the previous example I gave, these aren't situations that occur with the average person, and don't come up all the time. It is however nice to know that when the situation does come up, I'm okay."

I then followed it up with:
"It's a preformatted image in a Zip file. All you have to do is unzip it to the root of the thumb drive, and it will be a bootable and installable image."

So yes, you are absolutely correct. With that said, going back to my original purpose of mentioning that. That is something that has come in handy in the field, and if I'd been using an iPhone, I would not have been able to do. Now true enough, the circumstance doesn't come up all the time, but it's just one of those things that definitely is useful when the situation does arise. I also understand that my use case, is not typical of the average person. This is just another example of why I PERSONALLY feel iOS/iPhone would be a large compromise for me to use, as I just don't find it to be a capable enough device.

 

[mercuryjones]

Exactly! You understand what I'm talking about.

The original statement was:
"Another real world scenario that has come up a few times for me is when my phone has come in handy with computer imaging. I've been in the field, and the computer image that was provided turned out to be the incorrect one. To remedy the situation, the guys in the office uploaded a new image on a link, for me to download. I downloaded said image to my phone, and then put it on a thumb drive directly from my phone (OTG). The thumb drive now had the working image, and I was able to do what I needed to do. If I had been using an iPhone, I wouldn't have been able to do what I did.
That said, like with the previous example I gave, these aren't situations that occur with the average person, and don't come up all the time. It is however nice to know that when the situation does come up, I'm okay."

I then followed it up with:
"It's a preformatted image in a Zip file. All you have to do is unzip it to the root of the thumb drive, and it will be a bootable and installable image."

So yes, you are absolutely correct. With that said, going back to my original purpose of mentioning that. That is something that has come in handy in the field, and if I'd been using an iPhone, I would not have been able to do. Now true enough, the circumstance doesn't come up all the time, but it's just one of those things that definitely is useful when the situation does arise. I also understand that my use case, is not typical of the average person. This is just another example of why I PERSONALLY feel iOS/iPhone would be a large compromise for me to use, as I just don't find it to be a capable enough device.

Ok. Personally, I would have simply cut out the middle man with the download to the phone and then move to the computer and simply hotspot the computer to my iPhone and use my high speed LTE to download to the computer.
Different tools for different fools, I guess.

 

[jrswizzle]

Ok. Personally, I would have simply cut out the middle man with the download to the phone and then move to the computer and simply hotspot the computer to my iPhone and use my high speed LTE to download to the computer.
Different tools for different fools, I guess.

Ahh see - people don't think in any other terms except for the one way they always have done things.

9 times out of 10, when someone says "The iPhone can't do X" they REALLY mean "The iPhone can't do X the way I'm used to doing X".

 

[animalx]

Ok. Personally, I would have simply cut out the middle man with the download to the phone and then move to the computer and simply hotspot the computer to my iPhone and use my high speed LTE to download to the computer.
Different tools for different fools, I guess.

That's not an option for these computers, as you cannot log onto them (they are previous agent's and employee's laptops, and you'll never be given their passwords).

 

[mercuryjones]

That's not an option for these computers, as you cannot log onto them (they are previous agent's and employee's laptops, and you'll never be given their passwords).

This story is getting more and more convoluted. You've taken a simple file copy procedure and turned it into something that should be relegated to the IT department. If you are the IT guy, then you really showed up on site unprepared, if all you had was your phone.

 

[animalx]

This story is getting more and more convoluted. You've taken a simple file copy procedure and turned it into something that should be relegated to the IT department. If you are the IT guy, then you really showed up on site unprepared, if all you had was your phone.

lol nice, a guy who doesn't know what my role or duties are, tells me how my job should function. I'm pretty sure that we know our processes and procedures a bit more than you might.

...In any event...GETTING BACK ON TOPIC...the iPhone is too much of a compromise in several different ways, for it to be a consideration for my use. For people who don't need much out of a phone, it probably suffices, but that is not the case for me.

 

[mercuryjones]

lol nice, a guy who doesn't know what my role or duties are, tells me how my job should function. I'm pretty sure that we know our processes and procedures a bit more than you might.

...In any event...GETTING BACK ON TOPIC...the iPhone is too much of a compromise in several different ways, for it to be a consideration for my use. For people who don't need much out of a phone, it probably suffices, but that is not the case for me.

At this point, I don't think YOU know what your role or duties are.
That said, the iPhone is too much of a compromise for YOU and only you in this instance. I can think of several ways to use the iPhone to accomplish what you did, but in the story that you finally got around to telling, I would not have relied on my phone only, since you really should have the right tool for the right job.
I'm done. There is nothing I can tell you that will change you mind, obviously.

 

[I7guy]

lol nice, a guy who doesn't know what my role or duties are, tells me how my job should function. I'm pretty sure that we know our processes and procedures a bit more than you might.

...In any event...GETTING BACK ON TOPIC...the iPhone is too much of a compromise in several different ways, for it to be a consideration for my use. For people who don't need much out of a phone, it probably suffices, but that is not the case for me.

I need a lot out of my phone, but downloading isos is not one thing that is needed. I would rather have the apps, accessories, support, ease of use, and reliability. That to me is the trade off. I may have to take one extra step to download an ISO image but IMO the iPhone is easier to use, more reliable, more versatile due to the sheer number of apps and better support from the manufacturer.

 

[jrswizzle]

lol nice, a guy who doesn't know what my role or duties are, tells me how my job should function. I'm pretty sure that we know our processes and procedures a bit more than you might.

...In any event...GETTING BACK ON TOPIC...the iPhone is too much of a compromise in several different ways, for it to be a consideration for my use. For people who don't need much out of a phone, it probably suffices, but that is not the case for me.

It's this condescending bullsh** that pisses people off and ignites these flame wars.

Dude, use whatever the hell you want. There's literally no reason to belittle the work that MILLIONS of people do on iOS devices in the process.

It doesn't work for you, we get it. Move on.

 

[bubulol]

iOS is very nice but terribly limited by iTunes
I sightly prefer iOS but i was sick of iTunes that caused me a lot of trouble, every time i have updated iOS, every time i got many typical errors such as error -1, -132, -35, it never ended
I had to full erase data and start fresh install, annoying.
Also for multimedia files, pain in the ass
Want to copy movies? Nah you must have the right codecs
That's only drawback from iOS
I own Android phones since since 18 months and left Apple marvellous world but still thinking iOS is sightly better even if Android has improved a lot

 

[mib1800]

It is so funny seeing how apple fanboys put up with all the tedious, ugly and time consuming workarounds needed when using iphone. And yet they complain like there is no tomorrow of micro stutters in android.

 

[animalx]

It's this condescending bullsh** that pisses people off and ignites these flame wars.

Dude, use whatever the hell you want. There's literally no reason to belittle the work that MILLIONS of people do on iOS devices in the process.

It doesn't work for you, we get it. Move on.

Not sure why that irks you so much. In the end, that's really a fact. Some people require more from their phones, than other people. That was demonstrated earlier on this post, when someone was commenting on my use versus his use. He stated that he doesn't use his phone as a computer, whereas I do. This is why certain devices fit me better, or fit him better. No need to be so sensitive about it, not needing much from your phone is hardly insulting...

 

[I7guy]

It is so funny seeing how apple fanboys put up with all the tedious, ugly and time consuming workarounds needed when using iphone. And yet they complain like there is no tomorrow of micro stutters in android.

There are 500 million "fanboys" vs your opinion. I don't know, it seems the majority has spoken. I do agree use what's best for you.

 

[animalx]

There are 500 million "fanboys" vs your opinion. I don't know, it seems the majority has spoken. I do agree use what's best for you.

I think he more so meant people that would turn a blind eye to shortcomings, and instead accept ridiculous workarounds. A good example of that would be the email attachment situation. It's so handicapped on iOS, that you have to use particular apps to add multiple attachments of a different type, but that only works as long as that one app is capable of handling all the file types you need to send. So instead of being able to use the email client, you'd have to use that workaround for certain emails, but not for others (and it still won't work all the time for everything).

 

[fredaroony]

There are 500 million "fanboys" vs your opinion. I don't know, it seems the majority has spoken. I do agree use what's best for you.

Perhaps one of the 500 million can explain what the hell is this on my two day old iPhone 6

So much for the "polished" experience...

 

[Ulenspiegel]

There are 500 million "fanboys" vs your opinion. I don't know, it seems the majority has spoken. I do agree use what's best for you.

There are 500 million iPhone users and not fanboys. Users like their devices as they are, the fanboys practice iPhone fetishism that makes them blind.

The market share of Android in 2013 was 78.4% (iPhone - 15.6%), but that does not mean that Android is better. It is just different.

 

[mib1800]

There are 500 million "fanboys" vs your opinion. I don't know, it seems the majority has spoken. I do agree use what's best for you.

Hmm... can I put forward mass hypnotism?

 

[Alphazoid]

This thread became mind numbingly predictable. Unsurprising given the nature of the OP.

And the arrogance and narcissistic behaviour of some of you is actually quite comical.

I hope you guys are at least getting paid by the companies you're shilling for.

 

[mercuryjones]

It is so funny seeing how apple fanboys put up with all the tedious, ugly and time consuming workarounds needed when using iphone. And yet they complain like there is no tomorrow of micro stutters in android.

Almost as funny as watching the "android fanboys" come up with off the wall situations, in order to somehow prove Android is the superior choice. When it isn't - it's just a different choice. Stop looking at just one side of the equation and thinking you found the solution.

 

[animalx]

Almost as funny as watching the "android fanboys" come up with off the wall situations, in order to somehow prove Android is the superior choice. When it isn't - it's just a different choice. Stop looking at just one side of the equation and thinking you found the solution.

Lol you can refer to the situations as "off the wall" if you'd like, but these are real life use cases for myself. I know it wouldn't happen with most people....but I'm talking about my own use, not anyone else's.