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fredaroony

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Lol you can refer to the situations as "off the wall" if you'd like, but these are real life use cases for myself. I know it wouldn't happen with most people....but I'm talking about my own use, not anyone else's.

It's off the wall for mercury unless it's something Apple does.
 

Abazigal

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I think he more so meant people that would turn a blind eye to shortcomings, and instead accept ridiculous workarounds. A good example of that would be the email attachment situation. It's so handicapped on iOS, that you have to use particular apps to add multiple attachments of a different type, but that only works as long as that one app is capable of handling all the file types you need to send. So instead of being able to use the email client, you'd have to use that workaround for certain emails, but not for others (and it still won't work all the time for everything).

I agree with mail attachments are still a problem in iOS. I was expecting Mail to support icloud drive attachments at least, was surprised (and not the pleasant kind) to discover that this was not the case.

That said, there are other mail apps which can handle attachments. Mailbox lets you attach files from dropbox, for instance.

I don't think it's that we blindly accept shortcomings, it's that it in itself is not enough of a big deal to make us abandon iOS and switch to a competing platform, like Android. That's because iOS also has many advantages compared to Android, and moving over would mean giving up on those benefits as well. It would be like throwing out the baby with the bath water.
 

fredaroony

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That's because iOS also has many advantages compared to Android, and moving over would mean giving up on those benefits as well.

Such as?

The only thing I can see is the handoff and continuity support in iOS 8 and Yosemite.
 

Abazigal

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Such as?

The only thing I can see is the handoff and continuity support in iOS 8 and Yosemite.

Offhand, the overall strength of the Apple ecosystem. I am all-in with Apple (owning an iPhone, iPad, macbook, iMac and Apple TV). That means I can airplay any of my devices via Apple TV, icloud is also more convenient despite it being slower and more prone to outages to say, Google Drive or Dropbox, simply because of its integrated nature. I buy apps once and they download to both my iOS devices. Then there are services like iMessage (I need my iPhone to link my iMessage number), as well as software like iWork's (which I use a fair bit).

I don't really use handoff and continuity all that much, to be honest. They sound great on paper, but I haven't found myself in a situation where these features are indispensable. Sure, it's handy once in a while when I respond to a colleague's SMS directly from my macbook instead of having to reach for my iPhone in another room, but those scenarios are few and far in between.

I also use my iPad and macbook extensively in work. For instance, I teach with my iPad in the classroom (mirrored to the whiteboard either via Apple TV or macbook running Airserver). Basically, my Apple devices have formed a very nice equilibrium where every device has its place and its use case, I have come to rely (perhaps overwhelmingly so) on Apple's services to keep everything in sync and I can't really switch to a different platform without upsetting this balance.:p
 

Technarchy

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Such as?

The only thing I can see is the handoff and continuity support in iOS 8 and Yosemite.

You start playing the approximation game. Where things are sorta like, but different, sometimes great, sometimes annoying.

Example TouchID, Apple Pay, Facetime, iMessage, iCloud backup and Restore functionality...stuff like that. I can sorta do these things with my S5 with mixed results.

And it's not just a matter of approximating a feature on OS A vs OS B, but the user has to want to use the steps involved, and find the outcome to be worth the effort of changing over.
 

fredaroony

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Offhand, the overall strength of the Apple ecosystem.

Sorry stopped reading after this... Really bored of that statement.

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You start playing the approximation game. Where things are sorta like, but different, sometimes great, sometimes annoying.

Example TouchID, Apple Pay, Facetime, iMessage, iCloud backup and Restore functionality...stuff like that. I can sorta do these things with my S5 with mixed results.

And it's not just a matter of approximating a feature on OS A vs OS B, but the user has to want to use the steps involved, and find the outcome to be worth the effort of changing over.

Very true and it really comes down to the individual preference I guess.
 

Abazigal

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Sorry stopped reading after this... Really bored of that statement.

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Very true and it really comes down to the individual preference I guess.

Your loss then, not mine. You asked a question, I took the time to craft my reply for you, and if you are simply going to dismiss it out of hand like that...shows just how serious you are about having a serious and productive discussion.

Just because you have heard that statement countless times doesn't make it any less true. If anything, that people repeat that tired old spiel might suggest that there is more truth to this statement what you, or many other people, are giving it credit for.
 

fredaroony

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Your loss then, not mine. You asked a question, I took the time to craft my reply for you, and if you are simply going to dismiss it out of hand like that...shows just how serious you are about having a serious and productive discussion.

Just because you have heard that statement countless times doesn't make it any less true. If anything, that people repeat that tired old spiel might suggest that there is more truth to this statement what you, or many other people, are giving it credit for.

I've read your other posts and they meet the definition of "tired old spiel".
 

Abazigal

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I've read your other posts and they meet the definition of "tired old spiel".

And the fact that I keep repeating the same thing over and over again simply means that I do genuinely believe in everything I say, and that these are my personal experiences and I absolutely stand behind everything I have said with respect to why I stick with Apple products.

If my stance were to change ever so often, it would suggest that I am simply shifting the goalposts and latching on to whatever argument best suits the current discussion.

They were true when I bought my first Apple product (a 27" iMac) in 2011, and are every bit as true today. I can't foretell the future, but I believe it will still be every bit as true years from today. :)
 

fredaroony

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And the fact that I keep repeating the same thing over and over again simply means that I do genuinely believe in everything I say, and that these are my personal experiences and I absolutely stand behind everything I have said with respect to why I stick with Apple products.

If my stance were to change ever so often, it would suggest that I am simply shifting the goalposts and latching on to whatever argument best suits the current discussion.

They were true when I bought my first Apple product (a 27" iMac) in 2011, and are every bit as true today. I can't foretell the future, but I believe it will still be every bit as true years from today. :)

Congratulations! Good luck in your future!

Personally I like to try other things but to each is own I guess! :)
 

Technarchy

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Very true and it really comes down to the individual preference I guess.

It's a trite, but true answer.

And it definitely goes both ways. Like when I got the iPhone 6 I felt freaking blind. Where's my Google now widget, Twitter feed widget, Google+, Flipboard. The absence of glance and go info was startling after having been away for so long.

I'm so use to seeing those things by just flipping through screens, that actually having to open the app kinda felt tedious.
 

Abazigal

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Congratulations! Good luck in your future!

Personally I like to try other things but to each is own I guess! :)

Yep, to each their own. Trust me, I have tried other things before settling on Apple. It was simply the best experience i have had. I still remember the marvel after setting up the Apple TV in my classroom and witnessing the "magic" of airplay mirroring for the first time (and the buying of a router to work around the school network blocking airplay, and shopping for a 15m-long HDMI cable, climbing up tables to loop the cable across the classroom to the ceiling-mounted projector...).

Ah, those sure brings back memories...:D
 

fredaroony

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It's a trite, but true answer.

And it definitely goes both ways. Like when I got the iPhone 6 I felt freaking blind. Where's my Google now widget, Twitter feed widget, Google+, Flipboard. The absence of glance and go info was startling after having been away for so long.

I'm so use to seeing those things by just flipping through screens, that actually having to open the app kinda felt tedious.

I use a Moto X but everything else is Apple i.e. iPad mini, Macbook Pro (15 and 13"), iMac 27" and a 11" Macbook Air plus some other random stuff. I've also had a 3GS, 4, 4S(I have 3), 5, 5S, 5C and now a 6 so clearly the iPhone is not unknown to me.

However, I typically last about a day on the iPhone although I just got a work iPhone 6 so lasted two days so far. The only single thing that has stopped me is handoff and continuity.

Getting a new iPad mini 3 next week, again through work, but I'd like a Nexus 9. The Safari tab reloading thing just pisses me off way too much.

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Yep, to each their own. Trust me, I have tried other things before settling on Apple. It was simply the best experience i have had. I still remember the marvel after setting up the Apple TV in my classroom and witnessing the "magic" of airplay mirroring for the first time (and the buying of a router to work around the school network blocking airplay, and shopping for a 15m-long HDMI cable, climbing up tables to loop the cable across the classroom to the ceiling-mounted projector...).

Ah, those sure brings back memories...:D

You should apply for a job in Apple marketing.
 

Abazigal

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I use a Moto X but everything else is Apple i.e. iPad mini, Macbook Pro (15 and 13"), iMac 27" and a 11" Macbook Air plus some other random stuff. I've also had a 3GS, 4, 4S(I have 3), 5, 5S, 5C and now a 6 so clearly the iPhone is not unknown to me.

However, I typically last about a day on the iPhone although I just got a work iPhone 6 so lasted two days so far. The only single thing that has stopped me is handoff and continuity.

Getting a new iPad mini 3 next week, again through work, but I'd like a Nexus 9. The Safari tab reloading thing just pisses me off way too much.

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You should apply for a job in Apple marketing.

You may want to rethink the iPad mini 3, since it is essentially identical to the iPad mini 2 spec-wise, just with the addition of Touch-ID. It does have the advantage of price, but since it has the same amount of ram, I don't think the safari tab reloading issue will be fixed.

If that really irritates you, consider the iPad air 2 instead (any way to negotiate with your company?), since it has the most significant improvements with a 8mp camera, 3-core A8x processor and just as importantly - 2gb of ram, which should hopefully alleviate that tab reloading problem that has vexed so many people. :)
 

Oletros

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Your loss then, not mine. You asked a question, I took the time to craft my reply for you, and if you are simply going to dismiss it out of hand like that...shows just how serious you are about having a serious and productive discussion.


The problem is that you confuse you living in an all Apple world with the ecosystem being better and it is not.,

To someone that his world is not just Apple it means nothing.
 

cdmoore74

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Anything with Touchwiz automatically drops it from the top 10. Not only is the Samsung bloatware problematic, but the software is both storage and RAM heavy. Additionally, Samsung sucks at updating their software. Why is the S4 still sitting at 4.4.2?

And while One+ would be considered good hardware, it should be knocked for crappy customer support, a stupid and screwed up invite system to buy the thing, and the fact that it is running CM, which means leaving the consumer in the cold to get GAPPs installed.

Droid Turbo gets knocked for being a Verizon exclusive. If everyone can't buy it, why should it be in the top 10?

My list, in no particular order.

Nexus 5
Nexus 6
HTC One
Xperia Z3
Moto X
iPhone 6
LG G3
IPhone 6+
Moto G
Note 4 (I give this a nod even though it has Touchwiz. It is the #1 phablet)

Your credibility is lost for putting a year old phone at the very top. And only a fanboy would put a Moto G in front of a Note 4. Plus many of those hated TouchWiz features is what separates the Note from all others. One handed mode and two apps at once should have been baked into lollipop. The Nexus 6 ultimately is a larger more expensive Motorola X.
 

daneoni

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Sorry stopped reading after this... Really bored of that statement

Why? is Apple's ecosystem weak or something?

You should apply for a job in Apple marketing.

Because he/she said Apple tools work well for her. She's not allowed to voice her opinion without it being viewed as marketing speak. Would you have said the same thing if she was talking about Google products?
 
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jamezr

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Your credibility is lost for putting a year old phone at the very top. And only a fanboy would put a Moto G in front of a Note 4. Plus many of those hated TouchWiz features is what separates the Note from all others. One handed mode and two apps at once should have been baked into lollipop. The Nexus 6 ultimately is a larger more expensive Motorola X.
I don't agree with his top 10 list either.......not the ones I would choose.

BUT he still has every right to pick whatever he wants for whatever reason. Those are HIS choices.

People on this forum need to relax and not criticize others for differing opinions.
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
and we all know the majority/popular vote is the best thing....shakes head in disappointment.

Smh. That's not the point and you know it. The sheer number of people on IOS devices have indicated the "limitations" as described in this thread are acceptable. Another way of saying it, most people don't have those requirements so Apple seemsvto know it's customer.
 

pdqgp

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Smh. That's not the point and you know it. The sheer number of people on IOS devices have indicated the "limitations" as described in this thread are acceptable. Another way of saying it, most people don't have those requirements so Apple seemsvto know it's customer.

Apple absolutely caters to the masses who are willing to accept a less capable or customizable device because that's what meets their needs, I agree. No different than Billions are served by fast food places daily compromising quality and health for convenience and hundred so thousands each year by old-man-tan color 4cyl. Toyotas. Apple users have been compromising more than anyone since day one and that is the point and you too know it.
 
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pedromcm.pm

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Apple absolutely caters to the masses who are willing to accept a less capable or customizable device because that's what meets their needs, I agree. No different than Billions are served by fast food places daily compromising quality and health for convenience. Apple users have been compromising more than anyone since day one and that is the point and you too know it.

Ignorance isn't a bliss, after all. What is a capable device? Is it about how many things you can do or how good can you do it? Both?

For the vast majority, the iPhone is BY FAR the most capable personal device ever made, and something that separates Apple from lesser groups of other companies/pawns.

Deal with it, bro.

On the other hand, it doesn't mean that the iPhone is a better choice than, say a moto G, to EVERYBODY. Is it worthy it? Not for me. However, cut the crap. These generation of iPhones is burying the competition, be it in sales or capability. Burying.

And it is nothing short of pathetic how someone still tries to generalize all Apple users as less informed than Android users. It just shows a tremendous lack of knowledge, arrogance and alarming need of a reality check. Want to see ignorance? Ask why the **** would a typical user buy a S5 in the first place. Thankfully, it's fewer and fewer...

But saying that when there are gazzilions of people out there rooting, changing ROMs and witness extreme lag on Android devices up to 700$ that are slower than 100 $ devices (moto E vs S5, youtube) and have to put up with all that crap when the only viable alternative starts at 700$ (the limiting factor in the number of how many iPhones Apple sells, nothing more) is a painful reality that you, as every single Android user, experience. Or premium phones that were never updated, or Nexus devices that were supported for less than 2 years and every user had to put up with crappy battery life and useless cameras... You get the point.

More and more people are making the decision that Apple products are the only ones that are worthy, and their previous devices were all Android, most likely flagships, not Nokias 3310.
 

pdqgp

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Ignorance isn't a bliss, after all. What is a capable device? Is it about how many things you can do or how good can you do it? Both?

For the vast majority, the iPhone is BY FAR the most capable personal device ever made, and something that separates Apple from lesser groups of other companies/pawns.

Deal with it, bro.

On the other hand, it doesn't mean that the iPhone is a better choice than, say a moto G, to EVERYBODY. Is it worthy it? Not for me. However, cut the crap. These generation of iPhones is burying the competition, be it in sales or capability. Burying.

And it is nothing short of pathetic how someone still tries to generalize all Apple users as less informed than Android users. It just shows a tremendous lack of knowledge, arrogance and alarming need of a reality check. Want to see ignorance? Ask why the **** would a typical user buy a S5 in the first place. Thankfully, it's fewer and fewer...

But saying that when there are gazzilions of people out there rooting, changing ROMs and witness extreme lag on Android devices up to 700$ that are slower than 100 $ devices (moto E vs S5, youtube) and have to put up with all that crap when the only viable alternative starts at 700$ (the limiting factor in the number of how many iPhones Apple sells, nothing more) is a painful reality that you, as every single Android user, experience. Or premium phones that were never updated, or Nexus devices that were supported for less than 2 years and every user had to put up with crappy battery life and useless cameras... You get the point.

More and more people are making the decision that Apple products are the only ones that are worthy, and their previous devices were all Android, most likely flagships, not Nokias 3310.

Pedro you can tap away behind your keyboard all day man....you tossed away ANY credibility you thought you had. Your parents really need to limit your computer time......bro. I didn't even know the kids in Portugal said that. I think you're living up to this term too.
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jamezr

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Ignorance isn't a bliss, after all. What is a capable device? Is it about how many things you can do or how good can you do it? Both?

For the vast majority, the iPhone is BY FAR the most capable personal device ever made, and something that separates Apple from lesser groups of other companies/pawns.

Deal with it, bro.

If the vast majority is the measuring stick.....

Android is the vast majority worldwide and dwarfs all the competition in the smartphone space.
 

Ulenspiegel

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It was predictable that "compromising" will wake the self-awareness of fanboys who don't want or are not able to realize the evident reality.
There is nothing wrong liking a brand, being loyal, but avoid being obsessed with pseudo perfection.
It is not about Google vs iOS. Get off that road, its a cul-de-sac.
 
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