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Blaze4G

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This biased consumer currently uses a Lumia 1520, a Note 4, a BlackBerry Passport, a work issued SGS5, and an iPhone 6s Plus.

Where's the bias?

The bias is where you have 2 iPhone 7 and you are willing to pay the same price for one without LED. When the one with LED can be disabled permanently and still look and work exactly like the iPhone 7 without LED. How you can not find this illogical is beyond me.
 

Blaze4G

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OK. Let's forget the truck.

I don't use the LED in any of my phones. If I had two identical models one with and one without I would choose the one without. One less thing to possibly go wrong. And something I don't use or want.

So hold up, if it does go wrong, i.e. it stops working, you did not want it in the first place, so why do you care? lol
 

Blaze4G

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To me it comes down to:
1) things i want in my phone
2) things i don't want in my phone
3) things i don't care if the phone has them or not.

All of this is highly subjective and you all didn't take your meds :eek:!

lol! I agree with this. I just fail to understand why someone would want to pay the same money for less features. When the additional features does not affect usability in anyway nor does it affect the aesthetics. There are many features on both iOS and Android that I don't use. If Google or Apple announced they are removing some of these features that I don't use for no reason at all I would not be pleased.
 
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Qbnkelt

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The bias is where you have 2 iPhone 7 and you are willing to pay the same price for one without LED. When the one with LED can be disabled permanently and still look and work exactly like the iPhone 7 without LED. How you can not find this illogical is beyond me.

That's not a biased consumer. That's a consumer who doesn't choose what she doesn't want.

I find illogical getting something you don't need or want. That's illogical to me.
 
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Qbnkelt

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Too much meds might explain it too ;)
Btw, How is that BlackBerry Passport treating you? I worked on some of its software not too long ago.

Yah I'm flying high....

The Passport is OK now that it's settled a bit. Had the flickering screen. Got that resolved. However I'm finding the double letter typing issue that my Q10 had. And luckily my screen hasn't lifted yet.

Android apps work tolerably well. But I do wish I had native apps.

The OS is a thing of beauty. Now that BlackBerry has gone Android I'm very tempted to get another Passport from shop blackberry. I would like to have another BB10 device in case they go away.

The one I have I got second hand.
 

Blaze4G

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That's not a biased consumer. That's a consumer who doesn't choose what she doesn't want.

I find illogical getting something you don't need or want. That's illogical to me.

The bolded above. I totally agree. Why get an oven when I will never use it. However what is logical to me is why would I pay $500 for a stove with no oven when I can pay $500 for similar stove but it comes with an oven. Do I think I will ever use the oven? No...but I get more for my money.

P.S. I love cooking and using an oven. This was just used as an example lol.
 

Qbnkelt

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I just described two Apple commercials. Take it up with their Mad Men. M'kay?

Point to me the commercial that references sending cash to Nigerian scammers. M'kay?

The Haden commercial was a joke not a fact of what Apple users would normally do. You've taken an ad and twisted the point as a demographic that would fall for Nigerian email scams.

Again this is what posted.

Face it - based on Apple's marketing, the iPhone/iOS is designed for a demographic that needs Siri to know whether it's raining outside and eagerly replies to Nigerian bank email scams. Options are a dangerous thing for this demo and Apple wisely gives them few.
 
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tbayrgs

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In what sense?

Exactly...you can have your Notifications sorted by app or chronologically. Not sure what other sorting method he expects.

And why on Earth would you want to go back to the lock screen to view notifications?
 

Blaze4G

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Exactly...you can have your Notifications sorted by app or chronologically. Not sure what other sorting method he expects.

And why on Earth would you want to go back to the lock screen to view notifications?

it is a mess compared to android. Notifications are not grouped together the way android does it. Instead of having a whole list of notifications for each app, android groups them into one notification, example "11 emails" instead of listing each emails individually. You can then slide down to expand the "11 emails" in android notifications.

The biggest problem of all....getting a notification and you go directly into the app and reply to it. However the notification is still in the notification center. Once you open the email, whatsapp conversation, IG, etc it immediately gets removed from android notification center.

Lastly, a clear all notification...not sure if this has been implemented as default in iOS9.
 

AustinIllini

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it is a mess compared to android. Notifications are not grouped together the way android does it. Instead of having a whole list of notifications for each app, android groups them into one notification, example "11 emails" instead of listing each emails individually. You can then slide down to expand the "11 emails" in android notifications.

The biggest problem of all....getting a notification and you go directly into the app and reply to it. However the notification is still in the notification center. Once you open the email, whatsapp conversation, IG, etc it immediately gets removed from android notification center.

Lastly, a clear all notification...not sure if this has been implemented as default in iOS9.
Beat me to it. The iPhone implementation of notifications has always been a step behind at least.
 
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C DM

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it is a mess compared to android. Notifications are not grouped together the way android does it. Instead of having a whole list of notifications for each app, android groups them into one notification, example "11 emails" instead of listing each emails individually. You can then slide down to expand the "11 emails" in android notifications.

The biggest problem of all....getting a notification and you go directly into the app and reply to it. However the notification is still in the notification center. Once you open the email, whatsapp conversation, IG, etc it immediately gets removed from android notification center.

Lastly, a clear all notification...not sure if this has been implemented as default in iOS9.

Beat me to it. The iPhone implementation of notifications has always been a step behind at least.
Aside from the first minimize/expand part of it, the rest of the items that were mentioned are there and working in iOS 9.
 

EvilKittyCupcake

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Oh I know I would get the one without an LED as I do not need it. I am not against it, though. It just would be pointless for my needs.

Pointless to render something useless because I do not need it.
I prefer, by far, not having it and using my phone at 100% rather than 99% because I would not be using the LED.
It is what suits my needs. Plain and simple.
 

C DM

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Oh I know I would get the one without an LED as I do not need it. I am not against it, though. It just would be pointless for my needs.

Pointless to render something useless because I do not need it.
I prefer, by far, not having it and using my phone at 100% rather than 99% because I would not be using the LED.
It is what suits my needs. Plain and simple.
Well, most of us aren't using various features that are part of our devices (and all kinds of products), but they are still there and we still buy those devices and products for the things we want from them even though there are other things there we will use or sometimes even know about. That said, the important part there is that you are not against features being there even if you won't use them.
 

Robisan

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The Haden (sic) commercial was a joke not a fact of what Apple users would normally do. You've taken an ad and twisted the point as a demographic that would fall for Nigerian email scams.

I don't know. That Hader commercial sure looks like Apple's conception of its typical user to me. After all, when they introduced Siri they conceived their typical user as needing it to know whether it's raining outside their window.

Edited to add - guessing Apple's conception of their typical user is that they'd credibly suggest, believe and accept that Apple's notification solution is to pay them $349 (and up) for a watch instead of adding a ten cent LED to the phone. Judging by some posts in this thread they'd be right.
 
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I7guy

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I don't know. That Hader commercial sure looks like Apple's conception of its typical user to me. After all, when they introduced Siri they conceived their typical user as needing it to know whether it's raining outside their window.

Edited to add - guessing Apple's conception of their typical user is that they'd credibly suggest, believe and accept that Apple's notification solution is to pay them $349 (and up) for a watch instead of adding a ten cent LED to the phone. Judging by some posts in this thread they'd be right.
Gee, I wonder what a typical android user looks like?

While the whole notification light thing on an iPhone goes round and round an Apple Watch or other device removes the restrictions you have to physically have the phone in or near you at all times. You can roam around and still get everything so I'm not sure of what you saying.
 

Qbnkelt

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I don't know. That Hader commercial sure looks like Apple's conception of its typical user to me. After all, when they introduced Siri they conceived their typical user as needing it to know whether it's raining outside their window.

Edited to add - guessing Apple's conception of their typical user is that they'd credibly suggest, believe and accept that Apple's notification solution is to pay them $349 (and up) for a watch instead of adding a ten cent LED to the phone. Judging by some posts in this thread they'd be right.

Another nice little passive aggressive jab at iPhone users....needing Siri to tell them if it's raining, answering Nigerian scam mails.....all coming from *humour* in an ad. So I checked your post history, and judging by it, I'm not interested in entertaining your agenda. Have a great Wednesday.
 
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Blaze4G

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Gee, I wonder what a typical android user looks like?

While the whole notification light thing on an iPhone goes round and round an Apple Watch or other device removes the restrictions you have to physically have the phone in or near you at all times. You can roam around and still get everything so I'm not sure of what you saying.

For me this is my use of the notification light.

Usually I am working around a desktop (editing videos). I will hear my phone notification sound go off indicating I have an email, whatsapp message, etc. I would say "hmm okay I will reply as soon as I finish editing this video". Majority of the time I will then forget I had a notification when I am using my iPhone as a daily driver (perhaps because of my bad memory lol). However when using an android or blackberry I will have that constant light blinking, so in essence a constant reminder.
Now obviously you may be different from me, but this is how a notification light becomes a big deal for me. So instead of having to check my phone every 15 minutes, I can just glance at the phone without moving my hands from my workstation.

Not all of us wants to use a smartwatch. I have never used one and don't intend to. I don't want a smartwatch to be a solution when I could have a measly little led light as my solution. The led light does not need charging, or do I need to remember to put it on, or to pay extra for it, etc.

Again this is MY use case. Don't try to force down your methods of "you can just unlock your phone and check notifications". This is by far less convenient for me.
 

I7guy

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For me this is my use of the notification light.

Usually I am working around a desktop (editing videos). I will hear my phone notification sound go off indicating I have an email, whatsapp message, etc. I would say "hmm okay I will reply as soon as I finish editing this video". Majority of the time I will then forget I had a notification when I am using my iPhone as a daily driver (perhaps because of my bad memory lol). However when using an android or blackberry I will have that constant light blinking, so in essence a constant reminder.
Now obviously you may be different from me, but this is how a notification light becomes a big deal for me. So instead of having to check my phone every 15 minutes, I can just glance at the phone without moving my hands from my workstation.

Not all of us wants to use a smartwatch. I have never used one and don't intend to. I don't want a smartwatch to be a solution when I could have a measly little led light as my solution. The led light does not need charging, or do I need to remember to put it on, or to pay extra for it, etc.

Again this is MY use case. Don't try to force down your methods of "you can just unlock your phone and check notifications". This is by far less convenient for me.
Totally gotcha, but my use case is I can be doing work on the computer and get up to fonts the kitchen and leave my phone where it is. With my smart watch I can see incoming texts and calls and make a decision. You did acknowledge different use cases so that's that. If I needed a notification light on my iPhone I would turn on the flash in accessibility.
 
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Blaze4G

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Good deal. Similarly, don't force your use case on me. I'm perfectly happy with my iPhone. Without an LED. Which is why I bought it.

no one was trying to force their use case on you. Don't twist people words. They were just saying nothing is wrong with having the feature if you can disable it permanently. But apparently you still can not comprehend that.
 
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