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C DM

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Good deal. Similarly, don't force your use case on me. I'm perfectly happy with my iPhone. Without an LED. Which is why I bought it.
To be fair, it being there and you not using it won't be forcing anything on anyone. Just like "Hey Siri" is there, you surely don't have to use it and can have it disabled and it doesn't get in the way or change anything, while someone else perhaps can use it to their content.
 

Blaze4G

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Totally gotcha, but my use case is I can be doing work on the computer and get up to fonts the kitchen and leave my phone where it is. With my smart watch I can see incoming texts and calls and make a decision. You did acknowledge different use cases so that's that. If I needed a notification light on my iPhone I would turn on the flash in accessibility.

yeah I totally get that. It does makes alot of sense to have a smart watch too.

Personally I am all for the advancement of technology and more features. As long as these features does not affect usability or can be disable if not needed. Which leads to my point of me not caring when android copies apple and vice versa. It pushes both to be more innovative imo.
 

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no one was trying to force their use case on you. Don't twist people words. They were just saying nothing is wrong with having the feature if you can disable it permanently. But apparently you still can not comprehend that.

And you still cannot comprehend that I bought the device fully cognizant of its features. And an LED was not something I wanted therefore I was fine getting a device that does not have it.

To be fair, it being there and you not using it won't be forcing anything on anyone. Just like "Hey Siri" is there, you surely don't have to use it and can have it disabled and it doesn't get in the way or change anything, while someone else perhaps can use it to their content.

And forcing an LED on my device is in fact forcing a use case on me.
 
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Blaze4G

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And you still cannot comprehend that I bought the device fully cognizant of its features. And an LED was not something I wanted therefore I was fine getting a device that does not have it.



And forcing an LED on my device is in fact forcing a use case on me.

forcing a use case on you?! You would have disabled it! How is you disabling it forcing you to use it? I did not know when I disable something I still had to use it. Wow....my mind is blown. I disabled ambient display on my phone, but I am still being forced to used it although I have never seen it since I disabled it. Hmm makes so much sense!
 

Robisan

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...An Apple Watch or other device removes the restrictions you have to physically have the phone in or near you at all times. You can roam around and still get everything...

That's very nice, but it's a very different benefit from what we're talking about. If you need mobility freedom then by all means buy the watch.


...so I'm not sure of what you saying.

It's simple - I need my phone to let me know when it receives communications. I write for a living. Keeping my hands on the keyboard and focus on what I'm writing is critical to my productivity. Having to take a hand off the keyboard and interrupting my focus - multiple times every hour - to check for notifications is anti-productive. A little flashing light that I can see in my peripheral vision is what I need.

To be clear - my phone sits right next to me on my desk. I sit at my desk. I don't need mobility freedom. I don't need a $349+ watch to solve a problem better remedied by a ten cent LED.

Edited to add - If certain people don't like or need the LED light they can just disable it, turn it off and they won't have to waste their beautiful mind on it.
 
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C DM

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And you still cannot comprehend that I bought the device fully cognizant of its features. And an LED was not something I wanted therefore I was fine getting a device that does not have it.



And forcing an LED on my device is in fact forcing a use case on me.
Well, similarly quite a few other things are then forced on you through the device that you already have and use and like, since it's not likely you are using every possible feature that's already part of the device--thus the ones you are not using are then therefore forced on you going with that approach.
 

Blaze4G

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Well, similarly quite a few other things are then forced on you through the device that you already have and use and like, since it's not likely you are using every possible feature that's already part of the device--thus the ones you are not using are then therefore forced on you going with that approach.

she is being forced to use the camera flash for notifications since it is available (but disabled) in accessibility settings. That must be annoying for her. Having to live with that everyday and she does not want or need it.
 

I7guy

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she is being forced to use the camera flash for notifications since it is available (but disabled) in accessibility settings. That must be annoying for her. Having to live with that everyday and she does not want or need it.
Why would you assume that?

You know if automakers sold a car with one loaded trim model and got rid of baseline pricing and told the consumer you dont have to use it just pay for it;!arguing at the same time more features are better you can ignore those you don't want to use...there would be an investigation...
 
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Blaze4G

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Why would you assume that?

You know if automakers sold a car with one loaded trim model and got rid of baseline pricing and told the consumer you dont have to use it just pay for it;!arguing at the same time more features are better you can ignore those you don't want to use...there would be an investigation...

as I have already clearly stated in many post before, I said if the price remained the same. So would you prefer a base model car for 25k when you can get a fully loaded model with features you don't use for 25k? You would take the fully loaded model right? okay.

However Qbnkelt logic is she would take the base model if she does not use or want any of the features in the fully loaded model.
 
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Qbnkelt

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as I have already clearly stated in many post before, I said if the price remained the same. So would you prefer a base model car for 25k when you can get a fully loaded model with features you don't use for 25k? You would take the fully loaded model right? okay.

However Qbnkelt logic is she would take the base model if she does not use or want any of the features in the fully loaded model.


Of course I wouldn't.

I don't give a hoot about a back seat DVD player. If the defining difference between two models is the DVD player, I would opt against it. Why would I want it???? Bragging rights?!?!??? Nah. Not into that.

I buy what I want and what I need. I don't get something I don't want or need simply so I can brag about it.
 

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she is being forced to use the camera flash for notifications since it is available (but disabled) in accessibility settings. That must be annoying for her. Having to live with that everyday and she does not want or need it.

That is so ridiculous.

That feature is for accessibility reasons. I don't need it. However, if I were to need that accessibility option I would use it.
 

C DM

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That is so ridiculous.

That feature is for accessibility reasons. I don't need it. However, if I were to need that accessibility option I would use it.
Seems like similar reasoning can apply to an LED notification, if you were to need that option you would use it, but otherwise you don't need it. The reasoning might be a little different, but otherwise it doesn't change the feature being there and you not using it unless you need it for some reason.
 

Qbnkelt

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Seems like similar reasoning can apply to an LED notification, if you were to need that option you would use it, but otherwise you don't need it. The reasoning might be a little different, but otherwise it doesn't change the feature being there and you not using it unless you need it for some reason.

Except that accessibility features have a very specific user base. If I wanted an LED I would use that. But I don't. So I don't.

Again, as mentioned before, the LED on my other devices go completely unnoticed. Including the master of LED notification, BlackBerry.
 

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That is so ridiculous.

That feature is for accessibility reasons. I don't need it. However, if I were to need that accessibility option I would use it.

so if an official LED light feature was in accessibility features it will now be fine for you? Since what you say above, the current flash led accessibility feature is fine with you.
 

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so if an official LED light feature was in accessibility features it will now be fine for you? Since what you say above, the current flash led accessibility feature is fine with you.


Ummmm.....it's already there???? I knew it was there when I made my choice????? It's a feature for those who need it as an accessibility feature??????

So then the question for those clamoring for the LED.....why not use that, since you're so keen on it ????
 

maxsix

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Hello,
I have been looking for a solution to the lack of a notification light on my iPhone6+ but after much searching I haven't been able to remedy the problem.

I have missed many short notice meetings.
I have missed domain server and email server outages.
Tonight was the tipping point...after displaying the lock screen many notifications actually prevented me from answering a phone call during a family emergency.
Siri is completely crippled without a sufficient data connection, even if the command does not require data such as dialing a number from my contact list.
Aside from the latter I have been receiving a lot of heat from people waiting for my replies and commonly they have to message/call me multiple times to speak with me.

The iPhone has many nice features, and I applaud Apple for that, but IMO lacking horribly in notifications is too large of a deficiency which the rest of the phone cannot recover from. I think I may be done with my iPhone messing with my life.

How do you all deal with those problems?
I agree with your points on what an Android phone will do, that iPhone won't.

However, if one is familiar with each Operating System, then it's obvious that Apple cannot provide the same functionality as Android. These are two different platforms, each have their strengths, I use both for what they are capable of. Android and iOS can be very enjoyable within their own realm.
 

Blaze4G

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Ummmm.....it's already there???? I knew it was there when I made my choice????? It's a feature for those who need it as an accessibility feature??????

So then the question for those clamoring for the LED.....why not use that, since you're so keen on it ????

lol you're a walking contradiction.

Let me break it down for you since you have a hard time comprehending.

have you ever seen an iphone flash in your life?

have you seen how bright it is?

does the flash change color depending on the type of notification?

doe the flash notify you permanently or only for a set period of time then it stops?

now I will have to turn my phone over every time to use it and turn it back over so I can see the flash.

GREAT SOLUTION! Thanks! I will now use this.
 

Qbnkelt

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lol you're a walking contradiction.

Let me break it down for you since you have a hard time comprehending.

have you ever seen an iphone flash in your life?

have you seen how bright it is?

does the flash change color depending on the type of notification?

doe the flash notify you permanently or only for a set period of time then it stops?

now I will have to turn my phone over every time to use it and turn it back over so I can see the flash.

GREAT SOLUTION! Thanks! I will now use this.

It was YOUR point. YOU were the one who brought it up as a use case.

And really....can we do without the snark? Or is that a requirement for you?
 
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Blaze4G

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It was YOUR point. YOU were the one who brought it up as a use case.

And really....can we do without the snark? Or is that a requirement for you?


The only reason the flash notification was brought up, was since you had no problem with it being in the settings since you can disable permanently. But you have a problem with LED light being in the settings which you can disable permanently. Not a contradiction? Do you honestly think this makes sense?

Again you try to twist my words saying I brought it up as a use case when I simple asked why you don't have a problem with it.
 
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gotluck

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the notification light topic never fails to get apple folks riled up. Just like the larger screens topic pre 6, 6+. Same with the NFC topic pre apple pay. same with the pen/stylus pre ipad pro

I miss the notification light on my 6S :(
 

Blaze4G

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the notification light topic never fails to get apple folks riled up. Just like the larger screens topic pre 6, 6+. Same with the NFC topic pre apple pay. same with the pen/stylus pre ipad pro

I miss the notification light on my 6S :(

lol next year it will be "I don't need fast charging, my battery last all day and I charge it over night. I have no use for fast charging".

EDIT: android users currently saying, I don't need 3d touch, I have no use for it.
 

Robisan

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the notification light topic never fails to get apple folks riled up. Just like the larger screens topic pre 6, 6+. Same with the NFC topic pre apple pay. same with the pen/stylus pre ipad pro

I miss the notification light on my 6S :(

Let's not forget quick toggles pre Control Center.
 

gotluck

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lol next year it will be "I don't need fast charging, my battery last all day and I charge it over night. I have no use for fast charging".

EDIT: android users currently saying, I don't need 3d touch, I have no use for it.

honestly at this point I would almost trade 3d touch for a stupid 10 cent notification light :p

at least until more 3d touch actions flesh out

the android user comparison w/ 3d touch is pretty applicable here IMO, most sane people would like the feature to come to android too though, because why not? neither 3d touch nor a notification light would hurt users that dont want either
 

Blaze4G

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honestly at this point I would almost trade 3d touch for a stupid 10 cent notification light :p

at least until more 3d touch actions flesh out

the android user comparison w/ 3d touch is pretty applicable here IMO, most sane people would like the feature to come to android too though, because why not? neither 3d touch nor a notification light would hurt users that dont want either

The bolded sums up my thought process really.

lol! Yeah, I don't think I would use 3d touch much or at all. Not that I don't think it is useful. It is just to remember that it is there. Same goes for google on tap. I can count on one hand how often I have used it. I guess over time both features will become second nature.
 
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