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Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros Soon?
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scott523 said:
The original article mentions that Transmeta and Intel have been trying to come to a negotiated settlement and that the talks have broken down which is why the lawsuit was filed. And as is the case with most lawsuits of this nature, of course it's the money that they are after (I quite agree with you there).
If the injunction is granted there could be some very interesting moves taken by Apple. They could range from a lawsuit against Intel and or Transmeta for disruption harmful to a business, all the way to Apple signing on to another chip manufacturer.
Fascinating development
Sopranino
Sopranino said:
Yeah Sop, but still... if this "infringement" has been going on since PIII's, I can hardly believe that the talks have been going on that long. It really seems to me more of a case where a struggling company needs to make some big bucks quick to me.
Who knows though. It is interesting, to say the least.
Chipsets?
What chipsets are in the current ones, i would guess 945, if they were to move to the 965 chipset would this allow more than 3gb of ram to be accessed, the only reason i ask is in a magazine it quoted that Intel were having shipping problems with the 965 chipset, they could not make enough, and I only know a couple of PC laptops that use this one, all others like apple (i assume) use the 945
ThunderLounge said:
What chipsets are in the current ones, i would guess 945, if they were to move to the 965 chipset would this allow more than 3gb of ram to be accessed, the only reason i ask is in a magazine it quoted that Intel were having shipping problems with the 965 chipset, they could not make enough, and I only know a couple of PC laptops that use this one, all others like apple (i assume) use the 945
cytefx said:
My understanding is that the current one in use is indeed the 94x series. I don't know of anyone shipping 96x (if that's the right code for it) yet, as I thought Intel was just now, or very very recently completed it. I haven't seen any notebook with this in it yet. Desktop chipsets are different, obviously.
The chipset is to be part of the Santarosa platform, but that doesn't mean it can't be used outside of SR. My speculation on this, as others, is that Apple isn't listed (nor have they commented) as one of the manufacturers on board with the entire platform. My brain says they'll do something a little different, but to what extent I have no guess on at all. Then again, it's not like Apple to tell the world their plans coming up in a month with their hardware, let alone 6 months+ from now.
It does indeed open up the capability of the 64-bit merom, where the 94x series is still limited to some extent with 64-bit. And it does indeed allow for Ram over 4GB. Right now with the 94x, it's up to 4GB, but the reality is that only 3.2GB are actually usable.
The best explanations I've heard on the whole shebang have come from Ergle2 and AppliedVisual, which are buried in this thread and the Photokina thread, possibly a few more too.
My current line of thought has me wondering if the delay has somethign to do with not wanting to offer a limited merom chip, just to upgrade it within a couple of months to the full deal. Kind of like since they are already selling the current line, keep it out there until they can offer the full capabilities of the new chip instead of a hybrid.
But, I'm only guessing and thinking. To me it makes sense, but to some it might not.
Phill Schiller
Apple's vaunted VP, will issue this statement in two weeks time, and, yup, you heard it here, first:
"Our Q4 results were some of the most profitable in history. Our portables continue to outsell their competition in dramatic fashion -- in fact, the MacBook Pro, our flagship professional model, has sold nearly 1 million to date. We have exciting new developments in our pipeline for 2007. For now, our current lineup of portables, iPods, and desktops complete our Holiday slate for 2006."
Apple's vaunted VP, will issue this statement in two weeks time, and, yup, you heard it here, first:
"Our Q4 results were some of the most profitable in history. Our portables continue to outsell their competition in dramatic fashion -- in fact, the MacBook Pro, our flagship professional model, has sold nearly 1 million to date. We have exciting new developments in our pipeline for 2007. For now, our current lineup of portables, iPods, and desktops complete our Holiday slate for 2006."
madmax_2069 said:
It's essentially a hybrid. Most anyone wouldn't consider it a traditional laptop or notebook (this isn't something you're sticking in a carrying case and carrying around anywhere). It's vaguely portable, sort of like Acer's 20" notebook (although that is in a more traditional form factor), but it is really designed to primarily be used as a desktop machine, much moreso even than traditional "desktop replacement" notebooks.
-Zadillo
This unit certainly LOOKS cool but I wouldn't call it a portable, at 20lbs it's more a lugable than anything else. Basically it's an executoy. I would be far happier with a 17" MBP.Zadillo said:
Sopranino
So, here are the facts:
1. Best Buy, Amazon, and CompUSA are all very low or completely out of stock of MBPros.
2. Best Buy, Amazon, and CompUSA are all high-volume, retailers for Apple and the MBPros.
3. Apple just released the iPod - red: http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/red/
4. You have several other big cons in the next few months.
5. Sales in the 3rd quarter have been higher than expected. (Thus, why would 3 major distributors let their stock of MBpros run low?)
Personal Conclusion:
Without being a dreamer, I don't see why it is unrealistic to expect an upgrade of some sort by the end of this month (perhaps early Nov). Perhaps it wont be a cosmetic redesign, but I don’t think that there wouldn't be a speed-bump to compete with PCs that have higher-end hardware at this moment. In regards to the injunction: there is no way in hell they would force intel to stop shipping processors.
1. Best Buy, Amazon, and CompUSA are all very low or completely out of stock of MBPros.
2. Best Buy, Amazon, and CompUSA are all high-volume, retailers for Apple and the MBPros.
3. Apple just released the iPod - red: http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/red/
4. You have several other big cons in the next few months.
5. Sales in the 3rd quarter have been higher than expected. (Thus, why would 3 major distributors let their stock of MBpros run low?)
Personal Conclusion:
Without being a dreamer, I don't see why it is unrealistic to expect an upgrade of some sort by the end of this month (perhaps early Nov). Perhaps it wont be a cosmetic redesign, but I don’t think that there wouldn't be a speed-bump to compete with PCs that have higher-end hardware at this moment. In regards to the injunction: there is no way in hell they would force intel to stop shipping processors.
iRobo said:
Just as a correction, Photokina already occurred (it's when Aperture 1.5 was released).
iRobo said:
photokina ended at the beginning of this month.
EDIT: zadillio beat me to it.
and yes i do basically agree with your arguments.
ThunderLounge said:
The basis of Transmeta's litigation (as far as I understand it) is that Intel was supposed to increase royalties at some point and that Intel is not fairly accounting for the correct number of processors sold. Intel AFAIK hasn't licensed any new tech from Transmeta since the days of the PIII, yet still continues to use many of the "concepts" in it's latest CPUs. Also keep in mind that AMD has had to pay licenses to Transmeta as well because these guys had the foresight to patent obvious concepts like adaptable speeds and power draws on mobile CPUs and in many cases there is no real tech to back up their patent, just an idea. And in consideration of the number of CPUs, I think Transmeta is of the opinion they should be paid more for processors with multiple CPU cores in them, whereas Intel does not share that view.
I doubt that any sane court would stop the production or sale of Intel products as this could become a world-shattering event. But this fight could get ugly and Transmeta is by no means a small company these days. They're mostly an intellectual property and patent holder with fat bank accounts and it's doubtful that Intel could just wait them out. In the end, the courts are going to try and hold Intel and Transmeta accountable for their respective ends of any agreements, whatever that may be. Intel may end up having to pay the money and hopefully that won't adversely effect consumer prices too much, but I think this is just another ripple in the industry that we've seen all too much of over the years.
i'm just wondering...
i've read a lot of people saying that there won't be a redesign until santa rosa. i guess i'm just wondering why they wouldn't redesign it now for merom. obviously there have been heat issues, and they are more than aware of it. santa rosa will most likely have the same heat output as merom, so they may as well just redesign it right now and go into the holidays with a bang. this may just be wishful thinking on my part.
by the way, at one point there was only 1 15" MBP on amazon, now there are 5. maybe people have read these threads and cancelled their order - or maybe amazon's "in stock" numbers aren't very accurate.
i've read a lot of people saying that there won't be a redesign until santa rosa. i guess i'm just wondering why they wouldn't redesign it now for merom. obviously there have been heat issues, and they are more than aware of it. santa rosa will most likely have the same heat output as merom, so they may as well just redesign it right now and go into the holidays with a bang. this may just be wishful thinking on my part.
by the way, at one point there was only 1 15" MBP on amazon, now there are 5. maybe people have read these threads and cancelled their order - or maybe amazon's "in stock" numbers aren't very accurate.
AppliedVisual said:
Very well possible. I have no idea what they actually filed, but my best guess is that it sounds like more of a tactic than something with enough actual substance to cause such a thing to occur.
gonnabuyamac said:
Well, there won't be a redesign when Santa Rosa gets here because they will be designing now to account for it. Sant Rosa is just the next generation Centrino platform spec for the Centrino label program, which Apple has not joined and is not on Intel's list. The key components that make a "Santa Rosa" system are the Merom CPU (available now) and the Crestline chipset (available very soon, possibly shipping to OEMs right now). Other than that, to qualify for the new Centrino label, the system will require 802.11"n", but that is not yet final and irrelevent to Apple's marketing anyway. There's a good bet with the next logic board update to the MB/MBP, we see "n" draft WiFi support anyway -- Apple did it with the updated iMac C2D.
Judging by the long delay for the Merom update, we know it's not simply a drop-in CPU replacement. Some other factor has forced design changes since a simple CPU update obviously wouldn't work - or Apple would have just done it (no reason for them not to). Even if it was a seemingly simple update like improving the cooling abilities, this would possibly require a case redesign. If such a redesign is required, then it would make sense for Apple to do what is needed to solve all the current issues and also time the release properly so that Merom can be introduced with the Crestline chipset and hopefully a few other goodies like an updated GPU.
Sources close to Apple have been quoted saying that Apple will refresh their notebooks with C2D in time for holiday shopping, but these reports are now almost a month old. Holiday shopping officially kicks into moderate gear in 2 weeks and into high gear in 5 weeks. If it's going to happen, it will be between now and Nov. 22 or so. Otherwise, we'll probably all get the update at MWSF in January.
And I'm sure we're all getting tired of reading that same paragraph... Too bad I'm so bored right now that I'm here typing it. I'd go play a game, but all my good computers are tied up on a 3D render and I'm on hold with Dell trying to sort out a sales tax issue. Oh, joy...
Amazon's stock is usually pretty accurate. They probably just got a few more shipped in. My local Apple store manager (who I'm on a first-name basis with) has no clue just like the rest of us. And to top it off, they just received a healthy shipment of Macbook and MBP systems earlier this week... While the occasional customer comes in asking about C2D processors and whatnot, most don't and the systems are selling briskly, even at the relatively high price point. I saw that there was (maybe still is) a listing for the 1.83GHz 15" MBP on Apple's refurb store this morning. I would have bought it for the wife instead of the Macbook I'm planning to get her, but she really wants the glossy screen. That system at the $1549 would be an awesome buy. Just throw some more RAM in it and go.....
TheSith said:but I found that the $100 rebate requires you purchase the MBP by 10/24/2006 - a Tuesday.
:: cues dramatic music :::
so you think we will see a release on 24th?
i think
17th, 24th or 31st, i dont think it will be in november
i think
17th, 24th or 31st, i dont think it will be in november
shecky said::: cues dramatic music :::
Yeah, what's up with Amazon and Apple extending the MB/MBP rebates? Originally they all ended on 10/3 now they've re-issued them as expiring on 10/24.
The new MBP is 10/31 I tell you... I've said it before 100 times or more... Mark my words, it will be here on 10/31.
And I'f I'm wrong, there's always Next Tuesday! ahahahahahahahahahaha
AppliedVisual said:Yeah, what's up with Amazon and Apple extending the MB/MBP rebates? Originally they all ended on 10/3 now they've re-issued them as expiring on 10/24.
The new MBP is 10/31 I tell you... I've said it before 100 times or more... Mark my words, it will be here on 10/31.
And I'f I'm wrong, there's always Next Tuesday! ahahahahahahahahahaha
Looks like it might be 31st
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67550
Ram & MBP related question... (re-posted from different thread)
**I'm really curious about this, any insight would help**
I recently bought 1GB DDR2 200-PIN SO-DIMM RAM (Value Select, Samsung Ram).
Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145012
My Question:
I know that this is 100% compatible with the current MBP CD system, however I'm holding off until an update occurs as I do not NEED it now. In the event of a case redesign would that somehow effect in any way the compatibility of this Ram to an updated version? So is 200-PIN size an industry/apple standard for notebooks? They wouldn't screw around with the Ram slots would they? Any insight would help as I'd like to know if I should hold on to this (I have 30 days to return if needed).
Did the Ram slots in the Powerbooks require 200-PIN also?
**I'm really curious about this, any insight would help**
I recently bought 1GB DDR2 200-PIN SO-DIMM RAM (Value Select, Samsung Ram).
Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145012
My Question:
I know that this is 100% compatible with the current MBP CD system, however I'm holding off until an update occurs as I do not NEED it now. In the event of a case redesign would that somehow effect in any way the compatibility of this Ram to an updated version? So is 200-PIN size an industry/apple standard for notebooks? They wouldn't screw around with the Ram slots would they? Any insight would help as I'd like to know if I should hold on to this (I have 30 days to return if needed).
Did the Ram slots in the Powerbooks require 200-PIN also?