Really? What objective standard are you applying? Has there been a rash of failing Apple notebook CPUs? Apparently not. How about batteries? Has the battery temp been unusually high? You don't know.
Ha, the myth will never die!
Huh? If you disagree with what I said, give a reason. Is the dGPU in the new MBP getting too hot? What are you getting at? If anything?
Uh huh. So you are out of reasons. At least that much is clear. To recap, the new MBPs run cooler and throttle less, but some are upset about that.Let me explain in great detail
Lower temperatures = better
Higher temperatures = worse
You really are reaching! When you can show an objective problem with MBP heat management, then you'll have something objectively bad, and not before. In the mean time, it remains that the machine runs cooler and throttles less than its predecessors. That's objective.
Eh, as I said I have been dreaming a retina 17-inch MBP with beefed-up hardware for years, so it's not that I wouldn't like them to do it. I would in fact buy such machine in a heartbeat. I just meant to say that it's not so likely they ever will, and as such I'm not holding my breath for it anymore.
They are not targeting the same market with laptops, so I wouldn't blind assume that they are going back on their design choices for the MBP. Yes, the redesign received substantial criticism, but again, which first-generation Apple product didn't?
It means exactly that, and the folks at Apple has stated as much, by promising Macs that will be more upgradeable. They misread what people want and only when sales were impacted and the complaining reached a high level, did they react.
It was not a technical error but a strategic one to exclude drive bays, to not not allow more modern GPUs to be used, the closed design is not a small technical error.
I think Apple the most secretative company opening up and apologizing speaks volumes about how concerned they are. Just because some others disagree doesn't mean its not the case
Crumbs I just went through that thread
Phil Schiller said they still listening to the feedback on the 2017 MBP, but they haven't analyzed it yet. Probably means, they are gonna skip updating it this year.Crumbs I just went through that thread
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ac-pro-which-may-not-ship-until-2019.2040653/
Certainly puts a different perspective on Pro's reaction to the tbMBP than the few postings here
Seems it's a big thumbs up for those that have skipped the late 2016 release and opted for the 2015. Seems Apple have been noted of confirming the successful sales was the 2015 model not the late 2016 and there has been plenty of negative reaction to the TB amongst other items
Not to say the late 2016 MBP has suited some but it's not the rip roaring success, so much so we are likely to see some changes in 2017
Lets hope the 2017 improvements meets the needs
Time will tell but I can see in 4 or 5 years time we will see one of those posting:
" I've just been offered a late 2016 tb MBP 15" for $500, what shall I do"
Think you can guess it will be the same answer, "Skip it"
Thank you for updating, I'm no gamer myself. I'm not sure if this game or benchmark can be use as a stress test for CPU, but I'm sure it is for GPU. If you could, please kindly test something like Prime95 or superPI with intel power gadget showing stats.
And yes, I agree with you for other components around CPU could effect with the temperatures. From what I could see, nothing much is effect just the CPU core. Even the CPU itself is not exceeding 75c. I maybe wrong. If you are more knowledgeable on this please kindly explain.
I don't know, even in 5 yrs the display alone on the 2016 15" is worth $500.00 and for someone not needing more than 16GB of ram they will do fine, Touch ID and compact design with fast SSD sounds like a steal to me for $500.00 I think the answer will be grab it!!Time will tell but I can see in 4 or 5 years time we will see one of those posting:
" I've just been offered a late 2016 tb MBP 15" for $500, what shall I do"
Think you can guess it will be the same answer, "Skip it"
Sorry, but that still flies in the face of plain facts. Was the 2015 also in a thermal corner, as you see it? The 2016 haters say no, but then when confronted with the objective fact that the 2016 runs cooler and throttles less while achieving better graphics performance, they start rambling about apologists, HIV, and all manner of other nonsense. Facts have little power over feelings.
Obviously I'm not preventing anyone from saying whatever they please. You, however, are trying to stop me. I agree that those more committed to their feelings than facts, however plain, cannot be persuaded.
You may be right but if Apple actually surprises us all and does something spectacular in 2017 to prove its listening the current late tb2016 MBP may go down as the poorer 1st gen
And yet maybe not who's going to wait till 2019 to see if Apple had been listening I think we will see changes in many lines too prove the point and increase user base confidence IMO
As a matter of logic, no, clearly nothing Apple said implies that, for various reasons. I've already explained one other plausible way to understand it, and there are others. Apple obviously knew that people prefer upgradability. They know that about all the other Macs too. It simply doesn't follow that their refusal to offer it means they aren't aware of the desire for it.
Tidbits from unnamed sources that may or may not have any inside knowledge are crumbs indeed!
Well, I have a 2015 MBP, so, my next Mac purchase probably won't be until 2019 or 2020.You may be right but if Apple actually surprises us all and does something spectacular in 2017 to prove its listening the current late tb2016 MBP may go down as the poorer 1st gen
We will have to wait and see
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And yet maybe not who's going to wait till 2019 to see if Apple had been listening I think we will see changes in many lines too prove the point and increase user base confidence IMO
