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Krimsonmyst

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The aluminum unibody structure is supposed to be the support for the phone, it protects the core/innards of the phone. It's not just there for ***** and giggles. Altho it apparently scuffs and wears moreso than plastic, it is more durable and serves its purpose (most people don't understand this).

Actually, a polycarbonate body absorbs shock better than aluminium. When I have dropped my S3, the back cover flies off, but there is 0 damage to the phone.

When you drop an aluminium phone, the casing bears the whole shock, which causes damage.
 

grkm3

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Gs4 is not using the same pentile screen as the gs3 its using diamond matrix rgb

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petvas

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The iPhone is much better in every way possible. It is slick, has a great IPS display and has the best OS and apps.
There is no comparison to be made here.
I don't like Samsung and Android. I cannot use a 5" display. It is ridiculous. I also find cheap plastic bad.
The iPhone integrates perfect with my iPad and MacBook Pro. iCloud is really amazing.

When Samsung and Google achieve that level of perfection and craftsmanship combined with an end to end integration of software, services and hardware, I might consider them.
I don't believe that this can happen in the next hundred years.
 

petvas

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wow i know were on an apple forum but troll much? how can you possibly use your ipad if you cant even use a 5 inch phone?

your little rant up there should be posterized as the ultimate blind apple sheep, seriously get some perspective.

Not everybody can see and appreciate quality. It's ok. Don't worry.
The iPad is not a phone. Great comparison
 

petvas

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This is an Apple forum. People that choose Apple devices should be able to understand the philosophy of the company and appreciate it. I don't understand why someone would otherwise get an Apple device...
Everybody else should look elsewhere. Samsung is a good alternative for those people.
 

Internaut

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I don't think iPhone 5 owners who are comfortable with iOS would be troubled by the S4. It's not like there's anything out there that provides the iPhone's functionality in an equivalent size. In the Android world, if you want the best functionality and performance, you have no choice but to buy a monster phone. Not everyone wants one of those

I have an S3 because I wanted a bigger screen BTW. That's just my preference. If Apple didn't keep dicking about with the SIM card format, I would also have an iPhone 5 to use when applicable!
 

matttye

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I have an S3 because I wanted a bigger screen BTW. That's just my preference. If Apple didn't keep dicking about with the SIM card format, I would also have an iPhone 5 to use when applicable!

I don't think a pico SIM is even possible unless they completely re-invent the SIM card so at least they won't change it again :p
 

daveathall

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This is an Apple forum. People that choose Apple devices should be able to understand the philosophy of the company and appreciate it. I don't understand why someone would otherwise get an Apple device...
Everybody else should look elsewhere. Samsung is a good alternative for those people.

I have quite a few Apple products and do not understand the philosophy of the company, when buying any item, I don't give the company that make it a second thought, or come to think of it, after buying it either.

What is Apple's philosophy anyway?
 

matttye

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I have quite a few Apple products and do not understand the philosophy of the company, when buying any item, I don't give the company that make it a second thought, or come to think of it, after buying it either.

What is Apple's philosophy anyway?

That they would rather provide the best experience for a few than an experience for everyone. That's the way I think of it.

In other words, the iPhone isn't for you if you want a plethora of features, but if you want it to work well at a set few tasks, it's excellent.
 

matttye

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Im sure that their marketing department and shareholders wont agree and Tim Cook wouldn't last long if it was. :)

If Apple was trying to please everyone they would have five different iPhones out with varying screen sizes, varying performances, etc, and they would all have different overlays on them with varying feature sets. They don't - they offer one phone with one feature set (per generation), like it or lump it, and it still sells like hotcakes.

Android is trying so very hard to provide something for everyone, but iOS is available in only one package.
 

tjl3

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Actually, a polycarbonate body absorbs shock better than aluminium. When I have dropped my S3, the back cover flies off, but there is 0 damage to the phone.

When you drop an aluminium phone, the casing bears the whole shock, which causes damage.

Aluminum is more durable and rigid than plastic. I'm not talking about protecting the case. The engineering purpose of aluminum and being 'unibody' is to protect the components inside the phone.

Personally, I'd rather not have the back cover of my phone fly off whenever I drop it and expose the battery, SD card, SIM card, etc.
 

Krimsonmyst

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Dec 18, 2012
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Aluminum is more durable and rigid than plastic. I'm not talking about protecting the case. The engineering purpose of aluminum and being 'unibody' is to protect the components inside the phone.

Personally, I'd rather not have the back cover of my phone fly off whenever I drop it and expose the battery, SD card, SIM card, etc.

Well every time that it's happened - which is only 2 or 3 - everything inside has been fine, as has the casing.

You don't have to look far to find shattered iPhone screens/backs. While it may protect the hardware inside, it sort of wrecks the external in the process.
 

MRU

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Generally

IOS = uniformity. A standardised experience for all. One optimised for that particular hardware. Apps can often run better than on more powerful hardware due to developers ability to tailor for the specifications exactly.

Apple refrain from custom modifications or anything that might render that uniformity - broken. This is often seen as them not allowing user customisation, but it has great benefits because of it. Ones that All iOS users can share rather than those only with newer faster hardware.


Android = customisation over uniformity. Here we can see many different variations of the same operating system with massively different performance levels to the user experience. User customisation and modification are allowed but 'can' result in wildly varying end results to those users smartphone experience especially peformance wise.

On one hand it gives the end user unprecedented control, but in the other it breaks any kind of uniformity to user experience. Hence two users of same handset can have wildly varying experiences with the likes of lag, memory managment & battery life and application peformance.


Both approaches have their ups - both have their downs. At the end of the day its the user that decides which aproach works best for them. There is no right and wrong, and it could be argued IOS needs more user customisation support - but on same time Android needs more platform uniformity.
 

daveathall

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If Apple was trying to please everyone they would have five different iPhones out with varying screen sizes, varying performances, etc, and they would all have different overlays on them with varying feature sets. They don't - they offer one phone with one feature set (per generation), like it or lump it, and it still sells like hotcakes.

Android is trying so very hard to provide something for everyone, but iOS is available in only one package.

Nope, I didn't say that did I? You claimed that they would rather please a few than a lot, I am saying that that is not good business and that shareholders would not tolerate it. Would you?

Here's what I said;

Im sure that their marketing department and shareholders wont agree and Tim Cook wouldn't last long if it was. :)
 

costabunny

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May 15, 2008
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Generally

IOS = uniformity. A standardised experience for all. One optimised for that particular hardware. Apps can often run better than on more powerful hardware due to developers ability to tailor for the specifications exactly.

Apple refrain from custom modifications or anything that might render that uniformity - broken. This is often seen as them not allowing user customisation, but it has great benefits because of it. Ones that All iOS users can share rather than those only with newer faster hardware.


Android = customisation over uniformity. Here we can see many different variations of the same operating system with massively different performance levels to the user experience. User customisation and modification are allowed but 'can' result in wildly varying end results to those users smartphone experience especially peformance wise.

On one hand it gives the end user unprecedented control, but in the other it breaks any kind of uniformity to user experience. Hence two users of same handset can have wildly varying experiences with the likes of lag, memory managment & battery life and application peformance.


Both approaches have their ups - both have their downs. At the end of the day its the user that decides which aproach works best for them. There is no right and wrong, and it could be argued IOS needs more user customisation support - but on same time Android needs more platform uniformity.

This is one of the most logical and concise definitions of these two mobile OS's I've read for a while.

Say's plenty enough.

To answer the OP; no I don't feel my iPhone5 is out of date because of the new samsung.

Its the same as I dont feel bad about the new volvo putting mine another year behind. My phone and my car both still do what i want them to do. Both can use new apps/roads etc.

My iPhone will feel outdated to me when there are tasks avialble to others tha mine won't do (and then only if I want to use a phone for those tasks).
 

powerwagon

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That would seem to imply that you think the SGS4 will outsell the iPhone 5S....

Even given all the extremely educated "reasons" why the GS3 was better than the iPhone 5, the 5 still sold at a much faster rate (almost double) than the GS3 last year.

Obviously, sales don't make one phone better than the other, but that is what each company IS worried about.

I saw nothing in the GS4 that would worry me sales-wise if I were Apple. And if I'm HTC, I'm pouring a boatload of money into marketing because I see an opening to grab some Android marketshare.....IMO, the GS4 is more of the same....more of the same design (ugly), more of the same useless gimmicky features (most of which are available in better implementations on the various app stores), more of the same terrible screen tech (PENTILE?? ugh...and AMOLED...*hurl*).....

Sorry, despite what people here keep telling themselves, the iPhone 5 is a great smartphone. It's on par power wise with the best of them (with its "measley" dual core processor), it blows anything else out of the water when it comes to the GPU, it has the best (maybe second best behind the HTC One) display on the market, its a generic 16:9 4" - not abnormally tall at all, AND best of all....it gets better battery life than phone way bigger in size.....

Sounds pretty "outdated" to me.....

Likely what most of you are saying is that iOS feels outdated....I think there are some definite ways it can improve, and with the new team behind Ive and Federighi, I think we'll see some pretty awesome stuff come the iPhone 5S.

After what he said in his interview the other day and now having seen this GS4 release, I think Schiller is probably sitting there with a smirk on his face thinking "Just stick to the plan and they can't touch us".

There is so much misinformation in that post, in don't know where to start!
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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Nope, I didn't say that did I? You claimed that they would rather please a few than a lot, I am saying that that is not good business and that shareholders would not tolerate it. Would you?

Here's what I said;

What I meant by that is that they are not trying to be everything. They're just trying to make a phone that does what it does really well, and they succeed at that.

Samsung phones are packed full of features, thousands upon thousands of features that a lot of people won't use, whereas iPhones are more streamlined and simplistic. Samsung phones are brilliant; I love them, but there are a crapton of features I never even thought about using, like allshare play, a lot of the camera features, motion features like "palm swipe to capture." It can get a bit overwhelming and I'm a tech head, so I can't imagine what it will be like for not-so-techy people.

It's hard to explain, but I feel like less is sometimes more. It's better to have an organised, simplistic OS that does everything I need it to rather than an OS that does everything I need it to but has a mass array of features I don't use as well. Even if you don't use them, they are still there. They are present around the OS. It means there are more options to sift through to find what you want, more apps in your drawer, more apps you have to hide if you want to get rid of them, etc. It becomes cluttered.

For those who use more of those features then clearly the S4 would easily best the iPhone.
 

daveathall

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Aug 6, 2010
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What I meant by that is that they are not trying to be everything. They're just trying to make a phone that does what it does really well, and they succeed at that.

Samsung phones are packed full of features, thousands upon thousands of features that a lot of people won't use, whereas iPhones are more streamlined and simplistic. Samsung phones are brilliant; I love them, but there are a crapton of features I never even thought about using, like allshare play, a lot of the camera features, motion features like "palm swipe to capture." It can get a bit overwhelming and I'm a tech head, so I can't imagine what it will be like for not-so-techy people.

It's hard to explain, but I feel like less is sometimes more. It's better to have an organised, simplistic OS that does everything I need it to rather than an OS that does everything I need it to but has a mass array of features I don't use as well. Even if you don't use them, they are still there. They are present around the OS. It means there are more options to sift through to find what you want, more apps in your drawer, more apps you have to hide if you want to get rid of them, etc. It becomes cluttered.

For those who use more of those features then clearly the S4 would easily best the iPhone.

Yeh, I can see that, I like Apple and Samsung products also, what I took the ump about was that the original poster I quoted stated that people should know what Apples philosophy was before they buy their product, TBH, I don't give a damn about any company's philosophy, I buy what suits me. I just wanted him to share what Apple's philosophy was.
 
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