Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[spinedoc77]

I am very much enjoying iOS 11 so far.

I installed it and am still wondering what the hell they updated, lol. I see they darkened and bolded a lot of UI stuff, look ok I guess. They also whitened a lot more stuff, yayyy more white on off white theme for my wife to yell at me when I use the phone in bed. I see the file app which is a joke compared to Android, but at least we got something. The new control center is interesting, I'm still confused why a long press on the wifi button doesn't let you choose networks or for the love of god at least go to the wifi settings page. A settings button would have been great for the control center, especially after Apple neutered all the apps which had widget shortcuts.

But overall I see absolutely nothing that anyone really needs in iOS11, maybe I'm missing some stuff.

 

[Fernandez21]

I installed it and am still wondering what the hell they updated, lol. I see they darkened and bolded a lot of UI stuff, look ok I guess. They also whitened a lot more stuff, yayyy more white on off white theme for my wife to yell at me when I use the phone in bed. I see the file app which is a joke compared to Android, but at least we got something. The new control center is interesting, I'm still confused why a long press on the wifi button doesn't let you choose networks or for the love of god at least go to the wifi settings page. A settings button would have been great for the control center, especially after Apple neutered all the apps which had widget shortcuts.

But overall I see absolutely nothing that anyone really needs in iOS11, maybe I'm missing some stuff.

Don't forget all your old apps won't work. Not sure what to do, I generally like having the latest and greatest, but I have a ton of old games I still to play once in while that arent compatible with iOS 11, and some I doubt will ever get updated.

 

[tbayrgs]

Yeah, I don't get all the hate for the notch either, no one's seems that outraged that the essential has a similar notch. Plus I like that it basically saves space by putting all the status information next to the camera. Obviously it the can put all that stuff under the screen it would be even better, but for what is available now, I think the notch is fine.

I don’t mind the notch, it’s all the other UI limitations imposed on devs because of it and the other ‘safe zones’ needed to accommodate the notch, the home gesture bar and the curved corners. The resulting usable display is signficantly smaller. And consequently in landscape orientation none of the UI changes coded for the Plus models (extra mail columns, etc) work.

 

[Fernandez21]

I don’t mind the notch, it’s all the other UI limitations imposed on devs because of it and the other ‘safe zones’ needed to accommodate the notch, the home gesture bar and the curved corners. The resulting usable display is signficantly smaller. And consequently in landscape orientation none of the UI changes coded for the Plus models (extra mail columns, etc) work.

I too prefer the black background so it blends perfectly with notch, but don't mind the all white look.

I don't see it though as wasted space. Sure the usable screen size may be smaller, but remember if they had bezels and no notch, that means the usable screen would be even smaller as the status bar would be taking up some of that space. So while it looks almost the same, you do get some extra real estate.

Also, this years X seems to be more targeted to people who like the smaller form factor of the 4.7" iPhone, so it should be more compare to that. I think next year with the rumors 6.4" iPhone X is what plus owners would want to get.

 

[Fernandez21]

Wait,

Does this mean I need iOS 11 to get watchOS 4.0 on my Apple Watch? And when my series 3 comes, I'll need it to set that one up?

 

[spinedoc77]

I too prefer the black background so it blends perfectly with notch, but don't mind the all white look.

I don't see it though as wasted space. Sure the usable screen size may be smaller, but remember if they had bezels and no notch, that means the usable screen would be even smaller as the status bar would be taking up some of that space. So while it looks almost the same, you do get some extra real estate.

Also, this years X seems to be more targeted to people who like the smaller form factor of the 4.7" iPhone, so it should be more compare to that. I think next year with the rumors 6.4" iPhone X is what plus owners would want to get.

But there actually is wasted space. I was reading an article that calculated all the wasted space due to the rounded corners, notch, etc. I think they came up with the screen being like 5% smaller than the 7+ screen. That's not even counting the decreased functionality having a narrower aspect ratio brings. Another article was showing how much space was wasted due to the more constrained safe zones and gutters in the dev guidelines, when all is said and done the content space of an app isnt' much larger than the smaller iphone's screen, just a bit taller.

I agree that they are targeting the smaller iPhone users, although it is still a good alternative to the plus because of the size. I can't wait until they come out with a plus model though. Apple is smart, they know the X will sell like hotcakes and are saving the plus for next year, which will also sell like hotcakes.
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Wait,

Does this mean I need iOS 11 to get watchOS 4.0 on my Apple Watch? And when my series 3 comes, I'll need it to set that one up?

yep, you need iOS11 before it will let you go to watch os 4. I would assume the Series 3 would come with OS4 preinstalled.

 

[Fernandez21]

But there actually is wasted space. I was reading an article that calculated all the wasted space due to the rounded corners, notch, etc. I think they came up with the screen being like 5% smaller than the 7+ screen. That's not even counting the decreased functionality having a narrower aspect ratio brings. Another article was showing how much space was wasted due to the more constrained safe zones and gutters in the dev guidelines, when all is said and done the content space of an app isnt' much larger than the smaller iphone's screen, just a bit taller.

I agree that they are targeting the smaller iPhone users, although it is still a good alternative to the plus because of the size. I can't wait until they come out with a plus model though. Apple is smart, they know the X will sell like hotcakes and are saving the plus for next year, which will also sell like hotcakes.
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yep, you need iOS11 before it will let you go to watch os 4. I would assume the Series 3 would come with OS4 preinstalled.

Yeah, compared to the plus it's going to be smaller because of the aspect ratio, but I bet if you compare to the 4.7" model you'll see quite a bit more screen and content, even with the notches. This really is a step up for 4.7" users, with some cross over for the plus users. But ultimately I think a Plus user will be unhappy with the smaller but taller screen.

It'll be interesting how they price the 6.4" X Plus next year, you don't think they'll actually go with $1,100 for the base model and $1,350 for more storage? That would be nuts.

And yup, looks like I'm going to have to play street fighter, motion x poker, and eat bunny eat one last time before upgrading, these apps are no longer in the store and will probably never be updated.

 

[epicrayban]

I'm still confused why a long press on the wifi button doesn't let you choose networks or for the love of god at least go to the wifi settings page.

Seriously? Not even with 3D Touch?
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I too prefer the black background so it blends perfectly with notch, but don't mind the all white look.

I don't see it though as wasted space. Sure the usable screen size may be smaller, but remember if they had bezels and no notch, that means the usable screen would be even smaller as the status bar would be taking up some of that space. So while it looks almost the same, you do get some extra real estate.

Also, this years X seems to be more targeted to people who like the smaller form factor of the 4.7" iPhone, so it should be more compare to that. I think next year with the rumors 6.4" iPhone X is what plus owners would want to get.

Yeah, I agree, usable screen space isn't really the problem with the notch or curved corners.
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Yeah, compared to the plus it's going to be smaller because of the aspect ratio, but I bet if you compare to the 4.7" model you'll see quite a bit more screen and content, even with the notches. This really is a step up for 4.7" users, with some cross over for the plus users. But ultimately I think a Plus user will be unhappy with the smaller but taller screen.

It'll be interesting how they price the 6.4" X Plus next year, you don't think they'll actually go with $1,100 for the base model and $1,350 for more storage? That would be nuts.

And yup, looks like I'm going to have to play street fighter, motion x poker, and eat bunny eat one last time before upgrading, these apps are no longer in the store and will probably never be updated.

I'm sure second generation iPhone X models will be more reasonably priced. Apple always does this. Early adopters are the ones who really pay in that first year.

There also won't be an iPhone 8 sequel. The 2018 iPhone Xs will be the sole flagships. The price has to come down.

 

[Fernandez21]

Ugh, sucks that so many of these games have been abandoned and won't work load anymore. And some have sentimental value. Eat bunny eat was one of my sons favorites when he was a kid, and when he was really little he loved blowing out candles and would sit there and blow out the candle in the candle app. And Motion X poker was the first game I downloaded on my 3G and still play it to this day.

 

[Radon87000]

From ExtremeTech

"When I write these roundups, I take some pains to separate my own opinions from those of the reviewers. What follows is my own opinion on the various reviews I’ve read: I think Apple made a bit of a mistake here. There’s an effect in computing known as the Osborne Effect. It refers to the negative impact of announcing a new, future version of a product before the old one is ready to be retired. Ironically, there’s reason to doubt whether the Osborne Effect actually killed the Osborne Computer Corporation, but the name has stuck.


There are two problems here. One is straightforward: If consumers believe that the iPhone X represents the future of iPhones and order more of them than Apple can build, it could see a sharp decline in iPhone sales as a result. There’s no serious risk to Apple; the company has enough cash on hand to weather years of sales declines, but it would be an embarrassing event. The other is that Apple owners may simply skip an upgrade cycle this time around, preferring to wait a year until the features Apple debuted in the iPhone X make their way into lower-cost devices. Pretty much everyone expects this to happen, which means you can save a few hundred dollars by holding on to the iPhone you’ve got for another year. Owners who are still using an iPhone 5s or 6 may be persuaded to upgrade anyway, but owners with newer devices could easily skip this cycle, preferring to wait for the iPhone 9 or 11 that packs all these new capabilities into a more affordable package.


It’s going to be very interesting to see how the iPhone X hits Apple’s bottom line. If early reviews are any indication, the iPhone 8 simply doesn’t capture interest the way previous devices did. It’s not bad, and if you’ve been happy with previous iPhones, you’ll be happy with this one. But it’s not seen as moving the bar the way the iPhone X does."

Its going to be interesting to see whether Apple customers upgrade to the 8 come November if they cant get their hands on the X because if they don't, that's a problem for Apple

 

[I7guy]

Of course prognosticators were the iPhone 7 wouldn’t sell for the same reasons the iPhone 8 won’t sell. How did that turn out?

Both models will do just fine.

 

[Radon87000]

Of course prognosticators were the iPhone 7 wouldn’t sell for the same reasons the iPhone 8 won’t sell. How did that turn out?

Both models will do just fine.

The 7 did not have a much superior model on top of it with very limited supply. It was the only choice whether you liked the upgrade or not

 

[The Game 161]

From ExtremeTech

"When I write these roundups, I take some pains to separate my own opinions from those of the reviewers. What follows is my own opinion on the various reviews I’ve read: I think Apple made a bit of a mistake here. There’s an effect in computing known as the Osborne Effect. It refers to the negative impact of announcing a new, future version of a product before the old one is ready to be retired. Ironically, there’s reason to doubt whether the Osborne Effect actually killed the Osborne Computer Corporation, but the name has stuck.


There are two problems here. One is straightforward: If consumers believe that the iPhone X represents the future of iPhones and order more of them than Apple can build, it could see a sharp decline in iPhone sales as a result. There’s no serious risk to Apple; the company has enough cash on hand to weather years of sales declines, but it would be an embarrassing event. The other is that Apple owners may simply skip an upgrade cycle this time around, preferring to wait a year until the features Apple debuted in the iPhone X make their way into lower-cost devices. Pretty much everyone expects this to happen, which means you can save a few hundred dollars by holding on to the iPhone you’ve got for another year. Owners who are still using an iPhone 5s or 6 may be persuaded to upgrade anyway, but owners with newer devices could easily skip this cycle, preferring to wait for the iPhone 9 or 11 that packs all these new capabilities into a more affordable package.


It’s going to be very interesting to see how the iPhone X hits Apple’s bottom line. If early reviews are any indication, the iPhone 8 simply doesn’t capture interest the way previous devices did. It’s not bad, and if you’ve been happy with previous iPhones, you’ll be happy with this one. But it’s not seen as moving the bar the way the iPhone X does."

Its going to be interesting to see whether Apple customers upgrade to the 8 come November if they cant get their hands on the X because if they don't, that's a problem for Apple

I think the iphone 8 sales will increase if those who pre order the x don't get it until 2018. Thats when people will say i will just get the the 8 or 8 plus. It's too early to look into the iphone 8 sales.

 

[spinedoc77]

Yeah, compared to the plus it's going to be smaller because of the aspect ratio, but I bet if you compare to the 4.7" model you'll see quite a bit more screen and content, even with the notches. This really is a step up for 4.7" users, with some cross over for the plus users. But ultimately I think a Plus user will be unhappy with the smaller but taller screen.

It'll be interesting how they price the 6.4" X Plus next year, you don't think they'll actually go with $1,100 for the base model and $1,350 for more storage? That would be nuts.

And yup, looks like I'm going to have to play street fighter, motion x poker, and eat bunny eat one last time before upgrading, these apps are no longer in the store and will probably never be updated.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a step up for plus users as well. Mainly because it's just a much smaller phone, yet retains almost all of the screen size. The aspect ratio is a bummer though.

 

[I7guy]

The 7 did not have a much superior model on top of it with very limited supply. It was the only choice whether you liked the upgrade or not

Situational bias at work here. Nobody can predict what the public will buy and it will be fun to see how with all of these models, idc tries to figure out how many units of each were sold/shipped.

 

[Radon87000]

I think the iphone 8 sales will increase if those who pre order the x don't get it until 2018. Thats when people will say i will just get the the 8 or 8 plus. It's too early to look into the iphone 8 sales.

But theres also the chance that if people don't get the X, they may just switch to Android for the year or keep their older device. If majority iPhone owners already own the 6s and 7, the 8 isn't offering something $700 new. iPhone 7 owners get wireless charging and TrueTone. 6s owners get a dual camera in addition. When you spend $999 on an X you get something radical. Even TheVerge said spending 999 on a 64GB X is better than on a 256GB 8 Plus. Apple has hyped up FaceID and the bezelless design so much so that the 8 wont look enticing at all.
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Situational bias at work here. Nobody can predict what the public will buy and it will be fun to see how with all of these models, idc tries to figure out how many units of each were sold/shipped.

I am talking about consumer mentality. Its much difficult to pay flagship prices knowing there is a superior model above it now. Anyone who gets the 256GB of the 8 Plus variant is spending iPhone X money and the iPhone X is far superior and compelling. You get an OLED display,FaceID,Dual cameras with OIS, and a newer design and it also fits better in your hand

 

[I7guy]

But theres also the chance that if people don't get the X, they may just switch to Android for the year or keep their older device. If majority iPhone owners already own the 6s and 7, the 8 isn't offering something $700 new. iPhone 7 owners get wireless charging and TrueTone. 6s owners get a dual camera in addition. When you spend $999 on an X you get something radical. Even TheVerge said spending 999 on a 64GB X is better than on a 256GB 8 Plus. Apple has hyped up FaceID and the bezelless design so much so that the 8 wont look enticing at all.
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I am talking about consumer mentality. Its much difficult to pay flagship prices knowing there is a superior model above it now. Anyone who gets the 256GB of the 8 Plus variant is spending iPhone X money and the iPhone X is far superior and compelling. You get an OLED display,FaceID,Dual cameras with OIS, and a newer design and it also fits better in your hand

All opinions of possible scenarios of how things could happen. There clearly are some straw men in there, but okay. If Apple didn’t think the phones wouldn’t sell to their targets the lineup wouldn’t be looking like it is. You cant gauge, for example, my decisions on your thinking. I have the 6s and 7 and am getting iPhone 8. If the iPhone x turns out to be all of that with none of this oled nonsense, I’ll be getting that as well.

 

[Radon87000]

All opinions of possible scenarios of how things could happen. There clearly are some straw men in there, but okay. If Apple didn’t think the phones wouldn’t sell to their targets the lineup wouldn’t be looking like it is.

It only exists maybe because they cant make enough X to sell em although those with the 256GB variant will most definitely look at the X which is why their pricing fails

You cant gauge, for example, my decisions on your thinking. I have the 6s and 7 and am getting iPhone 8.

I dont think there were many like you. I am currently looking at 3 day delivery for iPhone 8 at the Store. This has never happened before apparently. Contrast that with the iPhone X which will run out of stock in minutes

If the iPhone x turns out to be all of that with none of this oled nonsense, I’ll be getting that as well.

It costs over 1k. Its better than all the models below it. Apple called it the future of iPhones

 

[widgeteer]

From ExtremeTech

"When I write these roundups, I take some pains to separate my own opinions from those of the reviewers. What follows is my own opinion on the various reviews I’ve read: I think Apple made a bit of a mistake here. There’s an effect in computing known as the Osborne Effect. It refers to the negative impact of announcing a new, future version of a product before the old one is ready to be retired. Ironically, there’s reason to doubt whether the Osborne Effect actually killed the Osborne Computer Corporation, but the name has stuck.


There are two problems here. One is straightforward: If consumers believe that the iPhone X represents the future of iPhones and order more of them than Apple can build, it could see a sharp decline in iPhone sales as a result. There’s no serious risk to Apple; the company has enough cash on hand to weather years of sales declines, but it would be an embarrassing event. The other is that Apple owners may simply skip an upgrade cycle this time around, preferring to wait a year until the features Apple debuted in the iPhone X make their way into lower-cost devices. Pretty much everyone expects this to happen, which means you can save a few hundred dollars by holding on to the iPhone you’ve got for another year. Owners who are still using an iPhone 5s or 6 may be persuaded to upgrade anyway, but owners with newer devices could easily skip this cycle, preferring to wait for the iPhone 9 or 11 that packs all these new capabilities into a more affordable package.


It’s going to be very interesting to see how the iPhone X hits Apple’s bottom line. If early reviews are any indication, the iPhone 8 simply doesn’t capture interest the way previous devices did. It’s not bad, and if you’ve been happy with previous iPhones, you’ll be happy with this one. But it’s not seen as moving the bar the way the iPhone X does."

Its going to be interesting to see whether Apple customers upgrade to the 8 come November if they cant get their hands on the X because if they don't, that's a problem for Apple

I think this guy is trying too hard. The X is going to be a massive, massive hit. The 8 isn't garnering as much interest as it would have previously becuase of the X. However I doubt Apple didn't anticipate just that. Year over year people have upgraded/purchased the new iPhone in droves. The year they release a brand new form factor with new features is *not* going to be the year that changes. (We can argue the relative pros or cons of the form or the features, but that doesn't change general perception.)

 

[epicrayban]

All 2018 iPhones likely to come with Face ID, but Apple still working on under-display fingerprint recognition

... the report makes it sound as if the future of Apple's 2018 iPhones is not decided just yet and depends a lot on customer's reaction to Face ID.


If this is true, I think the success of the iPhone X will guarantee that we never see Touch ID again.

 

[I7guy]

It only exists maybe because they cant make enough X to sell em although those with the 256GB variant will most definitely look at the X which is why their pricing fails

Sure, one possible scenario. Another is Apple believes this is best for the consumer, choice.

I dont think there were many like you. I am currently looking at 3 day delivery for iPhone 8 at the Store. This has never happened before apparently. Contrast that with the iPhone X which will run out of stock in minutes

As long as you recognize you really do t know what the masses are thinking. There could be many, many more like me for example.

It costs over 1k. Its better than all the models below it. Apple called it the future of iPhones

What has that response have to do with anything, having a magical oled display that doesnt deteriorate with time, would make my buying decision easy.

 

[icemanbrfc]

I really don't understand why people, are so impressed by the X. Okay, if you have never had anything but an iPhone, then I can understand it might be wow moment for you, but nothing about it strikes me anything special. Personally my daily driver is an android device, but I'm thinking of making the switch, and it might be the 8 plus. That home button layout is still a key selling point Imo.

 

[Zaft]

I installed it and am still wondering what the hell they updated, lol. I see they darkened and bolded a lot of UI stuff, look ok I guess. They also whitened a lot more stuff, yayyy more white on off white theme for my wife to yell at me when I use the phone in bed. I see the file app which is a joke compared to Android, but at least we got something. The new control center is interesting, I'm still confused why a long press on the wifi button doesn't let you choose networks or for the love of god at least go to the wifi settings page. A settings button would have been great for the control center, especially after Apple neutered all the apps which had widget shortcuts.

But overall I see absolutely nothing that anyone really needs in iOS11, maybe I'm missing some stuff.

Nope your not missing stuff, IOS 11 was an iPad overhaul. IOS 11 on iPad is fantastic.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think this guy is trying too hard. The X is going to be a massive, massive hit. The 8 isn't garnering as much interest as it would have previously becuase of the X. However I doubt Apple didn't anticipate just that. Year over year people have upgraded/purchased the new iPhone in droves. The year they release a brand new form factor with new features is *not* going to be the year that changes. (We can argue the relative pros or cons of the form or the features, but that doesn't change general perception.)

The one thing stopping the X being a complete hit is its price. There is a significant percentage of iPhone users who won't touch it at £1k+. It'll have to come down by next year and beyond for it to be the mainstream iPhone offering. Right now the cost and supply shortage will prevent us from seeing just how popular it is. Sales of the iPhone 8 show nothing as we simply don't know if many are skipping this years releases.

 

[The Game 161]

I really don't understand why people, are so impressed by the X. Okay, if you have never had anything but an iPhone, then I can understand it might be wow moment for you, but nothing about it strikes me anything special. Personally my daily driver is an android device, but I'm thinking of making the switch, and it might be the 8 plus. That home button layout is still a key selling point Imo.

Many see it like me that it has android like look and features running IOS which for many is well worth the upgrade.