Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[I7guy]

When i turn off wifi in control center i go to settings and it’s off there as well.

The way I figured out it works, if airplane mode is enabled and wifi is on, wifi will stay on. If wifi through the control center is disabled, it will be shut off. It has to do with airplane mode. The toggles in the control center are confusing and should have a different color or state to represent disconnected from off. I haven't tried this with bluetooth to see if it follows the same pattern. Yeah, it could be more clear. As to why apple changed it, it doesn't make any sense. But some people seem to like it, but most don't.

 

[Michael Goff]

Apple needs to get Sharp and LG involved next year in OLED panels or Samsung will just hold Apple hostage with prices.

The problem for that idea is that Samsung make the best now and isn't sitting on their laurels. By the time LG can make a panel as good as the one in the Note 8, Samsung will have made an even better one.

 

[The Game 161]

Then you appear to be running a unique version of iOS 11, my friend. Here’s how my CC toggle looks at each state.

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Get what you mean now. I Went into wifi and wifi still says it’s on but it’s still disconnected from wifi in the settings. It’s not till you go into the wifi where it stays on. Interesting.

 

[MRU]

Get what you mean now. I Went into wifi and wifi still says it’s on but it’s still disconnected from wifi in the settings. It’s not till you go into the wifi where it stays on. Interesting.

It was covered on MacRumors front page when iOS 11 came out.

Apple's reasoning is that often you just want to disconnect from currently connected devices such as BT Speaker or Headphones, but still have access to Apple services such as Handoff, Car Play, Apple Watch, Apple Pencil.

Likewise with WiFi, that you want to disconnect from the WiFi network your on, but not necesserily needing to turn all WiFi services off, so things like iPhone instant hotspot can still work.

Whether you agree or not, but it was a conscious choice. As long as users are aware what the toggle does and doesn't do it shouldn't been seen as a mountain but a molehill .... But forums being forums

 

[The Game 161]

It was covered on MacRumors front page when iOS 11 came out.

Apple's reasoning is that often you just want to disconnect from currently connected devices such as BT Speaker or Headphones, but still have access to Apple services such as Handoff, Car Play, Apple Watch, Apple Pencil.

Likewise with WiFi, that you want to disconnect from the WiFi network your on, but not necesserily needing to turn all WiFi services off, so things like iPhone instant hotspot can still work.

Whether you agree or not, but it was a conscious choice. As long as users are aware what the toggle does and doesn't do it shouldn't been seen as a mountain but a molehill .... But forums being forums

For me it doesn’t matter either way as i always leave wifi on anyway. When i’m At home i use my wifi then at work i use the work wifi or go to my parents i use their wifi so for me there’s no real point turning it off unless i go away for the weekend and even then mos at places have wifi there as well.

 

[MRU]

For me it doesn’t matter either way as i always leave wifi on anyway. When i’m At home i use my wifi then at work i use the work wifi or go to my parents i use their wifi so for me there’s no real point turning it off unless i go away for the weekend and even then mos at places have wifi there as well.

Me too ... I just think whenever there is a change or new software, we always have to have the latest #gate scandal. So here we have #controlcentregate and give it a week and everyone will be focussing on the next devices #gate ... Probably iPhone X #order-gate or the tsunami scaled disaster that will be #no-reachability-on-x-gate

 

[The Game 161]

Me too ... I just think whenever there is a change or new software, we always have to have the latest #gate scandal. So here we have #controlcentregate and give it a week and everyone will be focussing on the next devices #gate ... Probably iPhone X #ordergate

You planning to get the x?

 

[MRU]

You planning to get the x?

It's between iPhone X, LG V30 and Pixel XL 2

I am veering more towards Pixel XL 2 at moment but it will be entirely dependent on pricing and availability.

If Pixel XL 2 pricing is approaching the €1k mark, I would rather get the iPhone X and keep my current Pixel XL as I think despite its horrendous price, it will hold its resale value far longer.

 

[Roadstar]

It's between iPhone X, LG V30 and Pixel XL 2

I am veering more towards Pixel XL 2 at moment but it will be entirely dependent on pricing and availability.

If Pixel XL 2 pricing is approaching the €1k mark, I would rather get the iPhone X and keep my current Pixel XL as I think despite its horrendous price, it will hold its resale value far longer.

In Finland the choice might be somewhat easier as I just recently read a rumor about Pixel 2 being eSIM only and carriers don’t support it here yet, although the Apple Watch 3 might change that

 

[MRU]

In Finland the choice might be somewhat easier as I just recently read a rumor about Pixel 2 being eSIM only and carriers don’t support it here yet, although the Apple Watch 3 might change that

Yeah carriers don't support esim here and given Google never released the device officially in Ireland I may be frozen out of it too.

 

[Roadstar]

Yeah carriers don't support esim here and given Google never released the device officially in Ireland I may be frozen out of it too.

Looks like they’ve finally invented an efficient antidote for gadget lust. Not being able to connect to any network spares me from all those ”but what if” ponderings

 

[widgeteer]

It was covered on MacRumors front page when iOS 11 came out.

Apple's reasoning is that often you just want to disconnect from currently connected devices such as BT Speaker or Headphones, but still have access to Apple services such as Handoff, Car Play, Apple Watch, Apple Pencil.

Likewise with WiFi, that you want to disconnect from the WiFi network your on, but not necesserily needing to turn all WiFi services off, so things like iPhone instant hotspot can still work.

Whether you agree or not, but it was a conscious choice. As long as users are aware what the toggle does and doesn't do it shouldn't been seen as a mountain but a molehill .... But forums being forums

I don’t think anyone is making a mountain out of it. Apple’s reasoning is fine, their implementation is lacking. A switch needs to do what it is visually representing that it’s doing. Apple gives the user no visual clue that these toggles work differently then they have previously.

It’s poor UX design.

 

[The Game 161]

Good lord IOS 11 is still buggy..

The amount of times i’ve Clicked the home button to activate Touch ID and it still does nothing for at least 4-5 secs.

Never has this ever been an issue for me on IOS but it’s annoying.

 

[Zaft]

Good lord IOS 11 is still buggy..

The amount of times i’ve Clicked the home button to activate Touch ID and it still does nothing for at least 4-5 secs.

Never has this ever been an issue for me on IOS but it’s annoying.

Same here

 

[epicrayban]

I'm not updating my iPhone to iOS 11 until after these kinks get worked out.

Like I've always argued, day one updates aren't that important to me. They're more bragging rights than practicality most of the time. With the s8, you already have a feature-rich and stable OS; there is no rush to risk interruption of my otherwise smooth smartphone experience.

I'll give it another patch before I update my iPhone.

 

[Oohara]

It was covered on MacRumors front page when iOS 11 came out.

Apple's reasoning is that often you just want to disconnect from currently connected devices such as BT Speaker or Headphones, but still have access to Apple services such as Handoff, Car Play, Apple Watch, Apple Pencil.

Likewise with WiFi, that you want to disconnect from the WiFi network your on, but not necesserily needing to turn all WiFi services off, so things like iPhone instant hotspot can still work.

Whether you agree or not, but it was a conscious choice. As long as users are aware what the toggle does and doesn't do it shouldn't been seen as a mountain but a molehill .... But forums being forums

I don't mind the idea as such, long as it doesn't further screw up the wifi hotspot. It seems like all those neat little Handoff tricks really mess with it. I like that I don't have to be on the hotspot page in Settings/that the phone doesn't even have to be unlocked for it to be accessible for my MBP, but it'll take it sometimes minutes and several tries to connect to the hotspot - whereas my PC connects instantly every time.
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I'm not updating my iPhone to iOS 11 until after these kinks get worked out.

Like I've always argued, day one updates aren't that important to me. They're more bragging rights than practicality most of the time. With the s8, you already have a feature-rich and stable OS; there is no rush to risk interruption of my otherwise smooth smartphone experience.

I'll give it another patch before I update my iPhone.

Same here. Not the end of the world but kinda annoying to have to wait with trying the new stuff just because it's so unreliable.

 

[MRU]

I don’t think anyone is making a mountain out of it. Apple’s reasoning is fine, their implementation is lacking. A switch needs to do what it is visually representing that it’s doing. Apple gives the user no visual clue that these toggles work differently then they have previously.

It’s poor UX design.

Yeah I agree they do need to make it clearer visibly what it is actually doing.

It is at least less irritating than the iOS decision to put the back arrow top left of most apps meaning you have to reach all the way up each time or use reachability. Why that can't have been put on the bottom where it would be far easier to access ...

Thankfully I don't have any issues with iOS 11 since I no longer have an iPhone in my possession so I don't have to worry about the Rev A of an iOS version ... If I get the X, hopefully these things will have been patched and the iOS 11 issues are mostly all sorted ...

 

[epicrayban]

It is at least less irritating than the iOS decision to put the back arrow top left of most apps meaning you have to reach all the way up each time or use reachability. Why that can't have been put on the bottom where it would be far easier to access ..

I've made this argument for years. Not only is it harder to reach than a dedicated back button, it's not always in the same place actually. Sometimes to navigate back you have to "cancel" or it's something in the upper right.

I hope the move to gestures means that swipe to go back is more consistent and prevalent. It should be everywhere, system-wide.

 

[Zaft]

I've made this argument for years. Not only is it harder to reach than a dedicated back button, it's not always in the same place actually. Sometimes to navigate back you have to "cancel" or it's something in the upper right.

I hope the move to gestures means that swipe to go back is more consistent and prevalent. It should be everywhere, system-wide.

For some reason there are still developers that dont implement the swipe. Makes no sense.

 

[Oohara]

Yeah I agree they do need to make it clearer visibly what it is actually doing.

It is at least less irritating than the iOS decision to put the back arrow top left of most apps meaning you have to reach all the way up each time or use reachability. Why that can't have been put on the bottom where it would be far easier to access ...

Thankfully I don't have any issues with iOS 11 since I no longer have an iPhone in my possession so I don't have to worry about the Rev A of an iOS version ... If I get the X, hopefully these things will have been patched and the iOS 11 issues are mostly all sorted ...

Yeah I went to play around with a Note 8 again today and man is it a relief to have a consistent back button where my thumb can reach it in an instant. Certainly beats reaching to the top left corner and even reaching for the left side of the screen.

Btw MRU, in response to your previous reply about converting handwritten text - thanks yes, I knew that method existed. I was hoping there'd be a button to "convert all text on page" for really quick conversion of the entire page. But, today I tested the method you pointed out and at least it gives you the instant choice to copy the converted text. It's not perfect but that'll do for me.

Warming more and more to the Note here. Thanks to the helpful answers from LIVEFRMNYC in the gaming thread showing that full screen playing works well with my fave game, and from today when I had a moment where I sat outdoors writing down a cascade of ideas and planning etc - I would have killed for the S Pen in that moment. And they happen frequently. I also do plenty of reading for which the incredible screen will be perfect and the wonky aspect ratio actually useful.

So yeah...getting dangerously close to pulling the trigger. I figure I can do it as an experiment and if it doesn't work in the long run I'll move on to another phone and take the cash hit of selling it 2nd hand in a few months time.

 

[Roadstar]

I'm not updating my iPhone to iOS 11 until after these kinks get worked out.

Like I've always argued, day one updates aren't that important to me. They're more bragging rights than practicality most of the time. With the s8, you already have a feature-rich and stable OS; there is no rush to risk interruption of my otherwise smooth smartphone experience.

I'll give it another patch before I update my iPhone.

This makes sense from stability point of view, but thanks to Apple’s somewhat irresponsible iOS patch policy, you need to be running the latest and greatest to stay secure (like this one: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...code-published-for-remote-iphone-7-wifi-hack/). Things are actually better on Android in this regard.

 

[widgeteer]

Yeah I agree they do need to make it clearer visibly what it is actually doing.

It is at least less irritating than the iOS decision to put the back arrow top left of most apps meaning you have to reach all the way up each time or use reachability. Why that can't have been put on the bottom where it would be far easier to access ...

Thankfully I don't have any issues with iOS 11 since I no longer have an iPhone in my possession so I don't have to worry about the Rev A of an iOS version ... If I get the X, hopefully these things will have been patched and the iOS 11 issues are mostly all sorted ...

As someone that is still tentatively planning on getting an X, I'm guessing whatever issues are patched new ones will crop up as both devs and Apple race to catch up to their new form factor and notch-i-ness.

Back to poor design choices: why is auto-brightness now located in Accessibility and not Display? Again, not a huge deal but I found out the hard way: my brightness kept changing, so naturally I went into Display to turn off auto-brightness. When I saw it wasn't there I had to do a search to find it. Forcing this kind of behavior in users is the opposite of helpful.

It feels like iOS is moving backwards in usability. It's certainly not "bad" per se, but definitely worse than what it used to be and I fear the design philosophy is going in the wrong direction. This is frustrating because for the most part the OS is still very fluid in getting from A to B, so those items that don't conform to that criteria stand out that much more.

 

[spinedoc77]

iOS 11 is so weird. I do not understand Apple's thinking on some of the decisions at all. The wifi and bluetooth toggles in Control Center DO NOT ACTUALLY TURN OFF WIFI OR BLUETOOTH. They simply disconnect you from whatever current network you're connected to, continuing to run in the background. To completely turn them off, you need to go into the device's actual settings. WHO IS THIS MEANT FOR??? What is the purpose of a quick toggle that doesn't do what it's there to do?

So dumb.

It's that typical "I'm too dumb to think for myself" attitude Apple often has with its features.
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That would drive me pretty nuts. Does 3D Touch do anything? Is there a way to get into Settings directly from Control Center?

On Android, long pressing the WiFi toggle takes you directly to that setting. Same with the other toggles, so long pressing the Data toggle, for example, takes you to your data usage page.

Nope, nada. 3dtouch continues to be fairly useless, and where it could be useful it's not used. /baffled

On a good note though I do like that long pressing (3d touch?) the wifi or bt icons brings you to a sub menu (panel?) where you can turn mobile hotspot on and off, no more fighting through the settings app to turn this on.
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I don’t think anyone is making a mountain out of it. Apple’s reasoning is fine, their implementation is lacking. A switch needs to do what it is visually representing that it’s doing. Apple gives the user no visual clue that these toggles work differently then they have previously.

It’s poor UX design.

It's terrible design. You can couple this with the crappy settings app that you have to go through to change settings. What is worse is that Apple now does not allow devs to make apps which have shortcuts to settings. I used to have launcher pro as a widget with shortcuts to things like wifi, mobile hotspot, etc. But now I have to slog through the settings app to get anything done. Yes some of us want to turn off wifi, Bluetooth, etc with a SINGLE convenient button.
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Yeah I agree they do need to make it clearer visibly what it is actually doing.

It is at least less irritating than the iOS decision to put the back arrow top left of most apps meaning you have to reach all the way up each time or use reachability. Why that can't have been put on the bottom where it would be far easier to access ...

Thankfully I don't have any issues with iOS 11 since I no longer have an iPhone in my possession so I don't have to worry about the Rev A of an iOS version ... If I get the X, hopefully these things will have been patched and the iOS 11 issues are mostly all sorted ...

Ugh, that's one of my pet peeves with iOS, that little tiny back arrow. I like to bring it up whenever a fanboy brings up how much Jobs hated the stylus to drive the UI, but you pretty darn much need a stylus to hit that tiny little back arrow. It's even more comical when the app has it's back arrow RIGHT UNDER the tiny back arrow in the UI, half the time I hit the wrong arrow.

 

[Zaft]

why is auto-brightness now located in Accessibility and not Display?

I did not get this either, makes no sense. I reported this on the feedback app. There is no reason Auto brightness should be buried under accessibility.

 

[I7guy]

As someone that is still tentatively planning on getting an X, I'm guessing whatever issues are patched new ones will crop up as both devs and Apple race to catch up to their new form factor and notch-i-ness.

Back to poor design choices: why is auto-brightness now located in Accessibility and not Display? Again, not a huge deal but I found out the hard way: my brightness kept changing, so naturally I went into Display to turn off auto-brightness. When I saw it wasn't there I had to do a search to find it. Forcing this kind of behavior in users is the opposite of helpful.

It feels like iOS is moving backwards in usability. It's certainly not "bad" per se, but definitely worse than what it used to be and I fear the design philosophy is going in the wrong direction. This is frustrating because for the most part the OS is still very fluid in getting from A to B, so those items that don't conform to that criteria stand out that much more.

Apple switches things up every now and then. Why? Only they know. However it does take some getting used to.