Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[Wildo6882]

Same can be said for the s8. A 3T is nearly 50% of an s8. If an iPhone isn't worth it(twice the price), then, imo, neither is an s8.

Except that an S8 is three-quarters the price of a 256gb iPhone 7.

 

[spinedoc77]

Ouch, if true.

Analyst claims iPhone 8 will cost $999 for 128GB model and $1,099 for 256GB
https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/12/iphone-8-pricing-rumors-128-gb-256-gb/

Today, Goldman Sachs analyst Simona Jankowski issued a new research note to investors in which she outlines her expectations for the iPhone 8. In the note, obtained by CNBC, Jankowski predicts that Apple will offer the iPhone 8 in 128GB and 256GB capacities, coming in $999 and $1,099 respectively.


No doubt in my mind it'll still sell like hotcakes.

Compared to the S8's starting price though (around $730), the price difference is pretty great. The "Apple premium" is getting a bit out of hand, in my opinion, especially considering they're late with certain features and technology. There's really not much new technology overall; just new for Apple.

Even if they figure out the front FPS underneath the display, is that worth such a high price tag? Especially when it might be around the corner for the Note 8, and S9 shortly after?

And not going to bother comparing price to the S8+. It'd be unfair to compare considering there's presumably only going to be one size iPhone 8 (and even then, the S8+ would be cheaper).

It's worth it because no doubt Apple will recycle and reuse the same exact design 3-4 years in a row, lol. Wait I'm really crying, not laughing because it's true....

 

[I7guy]

Except that an S8 is three-quarters the price of a 256gb iPhone 7.

3t is 359 or something? S8 is $850 or thereabouts? Seems like it's in the neighborhood of the iPhone 7 128.

 

[Wildo6882]

3t is 359 or something? S8 is $850 or thereabouts? Seems like it's in the neighborhood of the iPhone 7 128.

You're cherry picking. I was saying there were good Android phones that are much cheaper than iPhones. So you say that an S8 is almost as expensive, so my point is moot? I mean with phones like the OP3T, Honor 8, heck even the G6 which can be had brand new for under $600, why am I going to fork out the price of a really good Ultrabook for a phone I'll upgrade in a year? It isn't THAT much better than those phones I listed. The S8 isn't even on my radar.

 

[spinedoc77]

I will NEVER pay €1000+ for a smartphone. It's just too much. Given great alternative devices can be picked up for 500-600 with most if not all of the same features / usability.

The iPhone 8 will be a big miss for me if we face another price hike.

I usually don't look at it that way because I always sell my old iPhone when I buy a new one. The resale value on Apple products is great, and whatever I don't get back is what I see as my "lease" fee. Alternatively I could just lease it for a year and give it back, but I usually end up doing better if I straight out buy it and sell it. I'd actually do much better if I just waited and purchased one from Swappa, but getting a new model iPhone on there could take months and I just accept that I'm taking the retail hit to have the latest and greatest.

So that alternative device that is 500-600 will most likely be worth much less than that at a year. I'd say if it's a Samsung device it will probably be close to half of retail value at a year. So in the end we both spent around $250-300 to have that device for a year.

Now if you are the type that keeps the device for 2-3 years I completely agree that 1k is way too much. Although I'd still pay it, I guess we all choose where we overspend on things we don't truly need.

 

[I7guy]

You're cherry picking. I was saying there were good Android phones that are much cheaper than iPhones. So you say that an S8 is almost as expensive, so my point is moot? I mean with phones like the OP3T, Honor 8, heck even the G6 which can be had brand new for under $600, why am I going to fork out the price of a really good Ultrabook for a phone I'll upgrade in a year? It isn't THAT much better than those phones I listed. The S8 isn't even on my radar.

I'm cherry picking because so are you. If you said there are phones that offer 90% of the functionality of the flagships at a much cheaper cost, there is no argument and the conversation then is different.

Whether one goes from an iPhone to an android 60% of the price is anybody's guess. I know there are reasons for me not to do it, but that's me. I can see much of the same rationale in the 50 extended family members but that's where it stops.

 

[Wildo6882]

I'm cherry picking because so are you. If you said there are phones that offer 90% of the functionality of the flagships at a much cheaper cost, there is no argument and the conversation then is different.

Whether one goes from an iPhone to an android 60% of the price is anybody's guess. I know there are reasons for me not to do it, but that's me. I can see much of the same rationale in the 50 extended family members but that's where it stops.

Nothing about what I said was cherry picking. I said there were phones out there that did 90% or more of what an iPhone does at a much cheaper cost. Heck, you could include the SE in that. I just don't see the point in spending that much for a phone when there are such great cheaper options.

 

[spinedoc77]

Nothing about what I said was cherry picking. I said there were phones out there that did 90% or more of what an iPhone does at a much cheaper cost. Heck, you could include the SE in that. I just don't see the point in spending that much for a phone when there are such great cheaper options.

I'm curious what phone you have and if there are phones out there that do most of what you need but are much cheaper? In reality you could pick up a cheap Moto for what, $150 maybe, and it would do almost everything a newer more expensive flagship does.

Value is very subjective and what you find worth your money might not be worth mine. Maybe houses, cars, clothes, food, etc, these are all subjective.

 

[Wildo6882]

I'm curious what phone you have and if there are phones out there that do most of what you need but are much cheaper? In reality you could pick up a cheap Moto for what, $150 maybe, and it would do almost everything a newer more expensive flagship does.

Value is very subjective and what you find worth your money might not be worth mine. Maybe houses, cars, clothes, food, etc, these are all subjective.

I'm using a 6s Plus. Been on it since Dec of 2015. I just don't see myself spending $1k+ for my next phone. No matter what it is. I have other things I would prefer spending my money on. I actually ordered an unlocked G6 for $650 with an LG Watch Style. I plan on selling the watch and getting the price of the phone down to $550 or less. The only thing I don't like about the G6 is the questionable updates. But I think the value is there. And I'm invested in absolutely zero Apple services. So switching wouldn't effect me.

 

[spinedoc77]

I'm using a 6s Plus. Been on it since Dec of 2015. I just don't see myself spending $1k+ for my next phone. No matter what it is. I have other things I would prefer spending my money on. I actually ordered an unlocked G6 for $650 with an LG Watch Style. I plan on selling the watch and getting the price of the phone down to $550 or less. The only thing I don't like about the G6 is the questionable updates. But I think the value is there. And I'm invested in absolutely zero Apple services. So switching wouldn't effect me.

I'm sure many would say they don't see the value of spending $650 for a phone, or $500, or even $200. I don't mean to be facetious here, but it's just such a personal decision. Certainly there will be droves of consumers lined up to pay Apple that 1k, and that's why they are such a strong business. So from a business perspective it makes sense, at least to Apple it does. From a consumers personal perspective it doesn't have to necessarily be logical or a frugal financial decision.

 

[Wildo6882]

I'm sure many would say they don't see the value of spending $650 for a phone, or $500, or even $200. I don't mean to be facetious here, but it's just such a personal decision. Certainly there will be droves of consumers lined up to pay Apple that 1k, and that's why they are such a strong business. So from a business perspective it makes sense, at least to Apple it does. From a consumers personal perspective it doesn't have to necessarily be logical or a frugal financial decision.

But I never said no one should buy it. I was always referring to myself. I don't see the value in it. Go back and look at my original post. I said this will probably end my run with Apple. That's my personal decision. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I know they'll sell by the truckloads. But I don't see it for me.

 

[spinedoc77]

But I never said no one should buy it. I was always referring to myself. I don't see the value in it. Go back and look at my original post. I said this will probably end my run with Apple. That's my personal decision. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I know they'll sell by the truckloads. But I don't see it for me.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to argue or say you were wrong, it was just an interesting discussion. It will be interesting to see if Apple's demographic changes as their prices continue to get more expensive. It's interesting that their most expensive flagship this past year, the 7 plus, greatly outsold their expectations. I suspect the same will happen with the iPhone 8. These monthly leases just make it much easier for consumers to stomach the cost, it's just another accepted mandatory monthly bill like a utility or mortgage.

 

[Radon87000]

Yes and Jobs held that one big change back. Apple rumored to be going oled imo is not the same as the 6+. 6+ was the biggest step for Apple.

The switch to OLED is the same as 6 plus because just like the 6 plus its going to be a real record breaker. When the 6 sales came out even Android news sites were covering the sales that's how big it was. The 8 is he real successor to the 6 and what the 7 should have been

It's the same except for display, battery and camera. Not everybody wants a plus size model.

And display,camera,battery=phone. The difference between a $180 Moto G and an iPhone is display, camera, battery and cpu. Not everyone who owns a plus actually likes the size. The only reason I got the Plus was because it was the only model which had the bulk of the upgrades. What's the difference between a 6s and a 7. Waterproof, no antenna bands and OSI in the camera

It's not faster by any significance, the benchmarks prove that out.

The RAM will be the deciding factor in how the both will perform in the end. The 7 Plus will become faster as more and more iOS upgrade start using 3 GB standard

By the way even now the Plus is faster in the sense that it can keep more apps in memory than the normal 7. Open 10 tabs in Safari and keep both phones overnight. The Plus will retain the tabs in memory while the 7 will reload at least 1 of them

The 6s and 7 sales were far from lukewarm as evidence by apples fiscal year to date. With Cook even saying they had not anticipated the demand. As for the rest of your post, sure, in your opinion. Speculation is what MR is about.

Cook also said sales declined because of anticipation of the 8. The sales are lukewarm compared to how the 6 was and what the 8 will be
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Same can be said for the s8. A 3T is nearly 50% of an s8. If an iPhone isn't worth it(twice the price), then, imo, neither is an s8. But of course the next iPhone is rumor as is the price.

Difference being that Samsung isn't charging a fortune for huge design upgrades. If you want to buy a 256GB iPhone 8 with Apple Care you will be able to buy 3 One Plus 3Ts!!

 

[I7guy]

The switch to OLED is the same as 6 plus because just like the 6 plus its going to be a real record breaker. When the 6 sales came out even Android news sites were covering the sales that's how big it was. The 8 is he real successor to the 6 and what the 7 should have been

The 6+ broke a huge barrier that Jobs was clinging to. There is obviously no way you can know of how any rumor will play out in real life. The 7 was exactly the successor to the 6 that apple needed. The 6+ fundamentally changed the way one interacted with the device, rumored oled on a rumored iphone x won't do that.

And display,camera,battery=phone. The difference between a $180 Moto G and an iPhone is display, camera, battery and cpu. Not everyone who owns a plus actually likes the size. The only reason I got the Plus was because it was the only model which had the bulk of the upgrades. What's the difference between a 6s and a 7. Waterproof, no antenna bands and OSI in the camera

So does wifi-chip, motion sensor, cellular modem, haptic feedback, speakers, proximity sensor, bluetooth, wifi etc. The difference between a Moto and iphone is:
integrate ecosystem, 5 years support, apple stores all over the world, top class hardware, top shelf software etc. The 7 also has: fusion processor, haptic feedback home button, most accurate display in the world, better water-resistance, plus others I'm leaving out

The RAM will be the deciding factor in how the both will perform in the end. The 7 Plus will become faster as more and more iOS upgrade start using 3 GB standard

No, ram is just one part of performance. The 7 plus will not become faster.

By the way even now the Plus is faster in the sense that it can keep more apps in memory than the normal 7. Open 10 tabs in Safari and keep both phones overnight. The Plus will retain the tabs in memory while the 7 will reload at least 1 of them

That's twisting the definition of a benchmark faster. As a user you will never notice the difference. Most benchmarks don't even notice a difference.

Cook also said sales declined because of anticipation of the 8. The sales are lukewarm compared to how the 6 was and what the 8 will be
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Difference being that Samsung isn't charging a fortune for huge design upgrades. If you want to buy a 256GB iPhone 8 with Apple Care you will be able to buy 3 One Plus 3Ts!!

Except that fiscal year to date iphone sales are way up. Since Apple doesn't disclose number anymore, the drop could have been by one unit. As far as Samsung, they still have billions to make up due to the Note 7 fiasco. Can you show me a link to apples website for the cost of the iphone x with 256 gb? Personally, I'm not going for three 3Ts. Happy Oppo'ing!

 

[The Game 161]

I usually don't look at it that way because I always sell my old iPhone when I buy a new one. The resale value on Apple products is great, and whatever I don't get back is what I see as my "lease" fee. Alternatively I could just lease it for a year and give it back, but I usually end up doing better if I straight out buy it and sell it. I'd actually do much better if I just waited and purchased one from Swappa, but getting a new model iPhone on there could take months and I just accept that I'm taking the retail hit to have the latest and greatest.

So that alternative device that is 500-600 will most likely be worth much less than that at a year. I'd say if it's a Samsung device it will probably be close to half of retail value at a year. So in the end we both spent around $250-300 to have that device for a year.

Now if you are the type that keeps the device for 2-3 years I completely agree that 1k is way too much. Although I'd still pay it, I guess we all choose where we overspend on things we don't truly need.

This is the thing with resale value I would be paying say £500 for the iphone 8 if it's the price thats been rumoured. Yeah it's not cheap but not as simple as saying it's costing me 1k to buy.

I will buy it as it's what I'm sticking with and i'm excited by the features thats coming with it. All the rumours are what i want in an iphone really.

 

[maxjohnson2]

I went to iPhone because I got tired of all the big Android phones. I like both operating system. I will get another Android phone when there is a higher quality small one. I almost got the Pixel, but it's actually a big phone because of the bezel and overpriced what it is. So I'm looking forward to the Pixel 2.

 

[LovingTeddy]

No reason to spend 1000 dollars plus for a phone that do whatever 200 dollars phone do.

 

[Radon87000]

The 6+ broke a huge barrier that Jobs was clinging to. There is obviously no way you can know of how any rumor will play out in real life. The 7 was exactly the successor to the 6 that apple needed. The 6+ fundamentally changed the way one interacted with the device, rumored oled on a rumored iphone x won't do that.

The 7 was not the successor simply because it didnt result in the iPhone super cycle which is what the iPhone 8 is supposed to do. There is a lot of hype behind the iPhone 8 unlike the 7 because it was underwhelming

An OLED screen on an OS with a dark theme makes a huge difference in experience as much as a shift to a larger screen. A curved edge bezel less OLED display is an even bigger upgrade than the 6 Plus was. Its the same size as the Plus with a 6 inch screen.

So does wifi-chip, motion sensor, cellular modem, haptic feedback, speakers, proximity sensor, bluetooth, wifi etc.

I dont see how any of this user facing between even the 6s and 7. WiFi modems on the 7 vs 7 Plus is a murky area considering the Intel and Qualcomm issues. Haptic feedback has been there since the 6S. Again the Plus has the better display, a better camera, better battery and more RAM. Its a better phone than the normal 7

The difference between a Moto and iphone is:
integrate ecosystem, 5 years support, apple stores all over the world, top class hardware, top shelf software etc. The 7 also has: fusion processor, haptic feedback home button, most accurate display in the world, better water-resistance, plus others I'm leaving out

The main user facing changes between Moto and iPhone is the display,CPU,camera and battery. Which is whats classified as top class hardware. Moto costs a fraction of what an iPhone does so if you buy a new one every year its as good as any updated Android can be

No, ram is just one part of performance. The 7 plus will not become faster.

The next gen 7s and 8 are going to have 3 gigs of ram which means iOS will be optimised with 3GB of RAM. The 7 Plus is future proof because it will handle the newer OS which take more memory as more and more features are added. For now they seem the same as the OS isnt on the level to stress the 7 Plus hardware yet

That's twisting the definition of a benchmark faster. As a user you will never notice the difference. Most benchmarks don't even notice a difference.

It can make a difference. Heres how. You open an article on Flipboard to read then go about your day. In the evening when you open the app, the 7 Plus will have retained it in memory while the 7 will flush it out. This has already been shown in the phonebuff video test. The 7 flushed out 2 apps which the 7 Plus retained

Except that fiscal year to date iphone sales are way up. Since Apple doesn't disclose number anymore, the drop could have been by one unit. As far as Samsung, they still have billions to make up due to the Note 7 fiasco.

No need to worry about Samsung. They are having a record beater on their hands

Can you show me a link to apples website for the cost of the iphone x with 256 gb? Personally, I'm not going for three 3Ts. Happy Oppo'ing!

iPhone 8 costs 1000 and thats 128GB. How much will the 256GB sell for?

 

[I7guy]

The 7 was not the successor simply because it didnt result in the iPhone super cycle which is what the iPhone 8 is supposed to do. There is a lot of hype behind the iPhone 8 unlike the 7 because it was underwhelming
An OLED screen on an OS with a dark theme makes a huge difference in experience as much as a shift to a larger screen. A curved edge bezel less OLED display is an even bigger upgrade than the 6 Plus was. Its the same size as the Plus with a 6 inch screen.
I dont see how any of this user facing between even the 6s and 7. WiFi modems on the 7 vs 7 Plus is a murky area considering the Intel and Qualcomm issues. Haptic feedback has been there since the 6S. Again the Plus has the better display, a better camera, better battery and more RAM. Its a better phone than the normal 7
The main user facing changes between Moto and iPhone is the display,CPU,camera and battery. Which is whats classified as top class hardware. Moto costs a fraction of what an iPhone does so if you buy a new one every year its as good as any updated Android can be
The next gen 7s and 8 are going to have 3 gigs of ram which means iOS will be optimised with 3GB of RAM. The 7 Plus is future proof because it will handle the newer OS which take more memory as more and more features are added. For now they seem the same as the OS isnt on the level to stress the 7 Plus hardware yet
It can make a difference. Heres how. You open an article on Flipboard to read then go about your day. In the evening when you open the app, the 7 Plus will have retained it in memory while the 7 will flush it out. This has already been shown in the phonebuff video test. The 7 flushed out 2 apps which the 7 Plus retained
No need to worry about Samsung. They are having a record beater on their hands
iPhone 8 costs 1000 and thats 128GB. How much will the 256GB sell for?

- I'm not repeating what Cook said about the iphone 7. You don't like it. Fine. Your opinion counts for one. The remainder of the millions that bought the (underwhelming) phone (and contributed to the record breaking quarter and extremely good fiscal ytd numbers speaks for themselves.

- OLED does not alter how the phone is functionally used.

- The plus is only a better phone if you like a bigger form factor. If you want a smaller phone, the plus is not better. Again confusing objective vs subjective. And as far as murk...TMSC vs Samsung?

- So two Porsches that look identical, except one has a 350hp engine and one has an 800hp engine are the same? No user facing changes at all, but there is no doubt which car will win the stop light races.And if you want a Moto, then get one.

- The rumored next gen iphone x will need 3 gigs of ram, but it still doesn't prove your statement the plus is faster. It's not. And the 7 is just as future proof as any.

- You can never bank on a tab not reloading on any o/s. There is always some arbitrary upper limit that exceeds the threshold. And basically not really a use case at all. Having said that, I like having my tabs reload instead of stale website data. I don't keep important fill in the blanks website pages open with confidential information, so it's never a problem.

- Doesn't matter about your opinion Samsung, they have to erase that horrendous loss from their books.

- Can you point me to apples website where is lists the prices of the iphone x?

And what does most of this folderol have anything to do with the thread? None of this is a reason I would move to Android. I don't analyze financials, margin, profit, ram, pages that can open in a web browser, etc. I look at the value proposition, and if it passes for me, I buy the phone. IOW, your opinions don't affect my purchase decisions.

 

[mib1800]

And what does most of this folderol have anything to do with the thread? None of this is a reason I would move to Android. I don't analyze financials, margin, profit, ram, pages that can open in a web browser, etc. I look at the value proposition, and if it passes for me, I buy the phone. IOW, your opinions don't affect my purchase decisions.

Why do you keep thinking we are trying to change your opinions?
We are just trying to keep you from making your subjective opinions like it is the accepted truth that portrays iphone being the best.

 

[I7guy]

Why do you keep thinking we are trying to change your opinions?
We are just trying to keep you from making your subjective opinions like it is the accepted truth that portrays iphone being the best.

Ah, touché partner.

 

[mib1800]

Ah, touché partner.

Maybe. Then again maybe not. Well, for one, technical specs are NOT subjective per se. Whether one needs those specs or not IS subjective.

Android like s8 definitely has a longer list of specs. But will you try to say this is subjective as well?

 

[DakotaGuy]

integrate ecosystem

I hear this over and over like Android has no integrated ecosystem when in fact it has a better ecosystem because it's multi-platform. If you have a PC, Mac, iPad etc. and an Android phone you can integrate everything with Google services. Chrome, Calendar, Contacts, Gmail, Google Music, Google Photos, Google Drive, Google Docs, Google Maps, etc. It's all integrated.

 

[I7guy]

Maybe. Then again maybe not. Well, for one, technical specs are NOT subjective per se. Whether one needs those specs or not IS subjective.

Android like s8 definitely has a longer list of specs. But will you try to say this is subjective as well?

I don't know if there is a longer list or not. We could list the hundreds of "features" in each operating system. However the priority one assigns to each "feature" or "spec" is subjective and thus what is "best" is subjective.

 

[Nilhum]

No. Going to stay on iPhone. I just got an iPhone SE and am going to sell the 7 Plus. I don't need expensive phones and the iPhone SE is the most perfect phone I have gotten. Got it refurbished for $300 and I can't say I miss anything on my 7 plus. In fact, having the headphone jack back is great. The SE is fast as hell, reliable, has a great camera, has no lag, and the battery life is equivalent to my 7 plus.

My 7 plus was great. One of the best phones I have had but the size was too much. I don't see the point of such a big phone. I can read text, read, and do whatever I need to do on the SE and it is great. I don't watch videos on my 7 plus, I watch it on my laptop, so the big screen was just an annoyance. Most of what I was using my phone for was for ANKI, flashcards to study. No reason to have a 1000 dollar studying device when I can do it on the SE. I hope they update the SE in two year or so, but even if they do not it is fine. iPhones are updated for a while and their speed is top notch years later.

At first, I thought the price for the next iPhone was outrageous but if it is, the price will come down after three months. iPhones are luxury products and one can easily buy and Android phone that does most of what you need (One Plus 3T). Heck, if you really want an iPhone badly, you can wait a year and get it for a good price when the new one comes out. People might need a smartphone, but you don't need an iPhone. And while I do think the $1000 price is too high, if the demand is there, why should Apple price it lower? Apple is a business and having a more expensive product makes a greater profit margin and makes the product more exclusive. People like expensive wine not because it necessarily tastes better but because it is expensive. The status and cost of a product do affect how emotionally satisfied people are with a product.