Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[Radon87000]

- I'm not repeating what Cook said about the iphone 7. You don't like it. Fine. Your opinion counts for one. The remainder of the millions that bought the (underwhelming) phone (and contributed to the record breaking quarter and extremely good fiscal ytd numbers speaks for themselves.

The iPhone 6 Plus did not decline throughout the year. The 7 did in 1 and potentially 2. I suppose when the 8 doesn't decline either you will still keep saying the 7 was the successor. And we haven't even seen the next quarter which is almost certain to be a decline

I look forward to your assertion when the 8 breaks records in all 4 quarters which is a feat only the 6 has compared to all recent iPhones

OLED does not alter how the phone is functionally used.

No but a curved edge bezelless OLED does. Watching the content flow off the screen is beautiful

The plus is only a better phone if you like a bigger form factor. If you want a smaller phone, the plus is not better. Again confusing objective vs subjective. And as far as murk...TMSC vs Samsung?

I put the size out of the equation and compared which of the phones is better. That is the 7 Plus. This shows how Apple doesn't give real upgrades to the smaller variant. That's all I am trying to say

I used both before buying and it's clear the iPhone Apple wanted people to buy was the Plus

So two Porsches that look identical, except one has a 350hp engine and one has an 800hp engine are the same?

They are not the same. The 7 is the one with a 600HP engine. The Plus has a 700HP engine

No user facing changes at all, but there is no doubt which car will win the stop light races.And if you want a Moto, then get one.

Point is the only difference between a Moto and an iPhone are the display camera CPU and battery life. That's all which makes a smartphone

The rumored next gen iphone x will need 3 gigs of ram, but it still doesn't prove your statement the plus is faster. It's not. And the 7 is just as future proof as any.

Future versions of iOS will be designed around 3gb of ram because as an OS matures more ram is needed. The Plus will handle that OS faster than the 7

And I think the iPhone 8 and 7S Plus will get 4GB of RAM while the 7S is on 3GB

You can never bank on a tab not reloading on any o/s. There is always some arbitrary upper limit that exceeds the threshold. And basically not really a use case at all. Having said that, I like having my tabs reload instead of stale website data. I don't keep important fill in the blanks website pages open with confidential information, so it's never a problem.

If you saw that video the 7 ended up reloading the heavy apps but the Plus did not.

And I am not taking of forms with important data but articles and the like.

Doesn't matter about your opinion Samsung, they have to erase that horrendous loss from their books.

Doesn't matter what your opinion on Samsung is. Samsung have a record breaker on their hands and if the 8 is as expensive as it is many people will end up getting that as well. It's selling like hot cakes. Samsung can do whatever they want on Android. That loss will be recovered as they are the only relevant manufacturer on Android.

Can you point me to apples website where is lists the prices of the iphone x?

If there is one thing the rumour mill never gets wrong it's the price. And I believe the price is 1K and I still think 32Gb at that price is still a possibility. This is Tim Cook we are talkin about here

 

[I7guy]

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I hear this over and over like Android has no integrated ecosystem when in fact it has a better ecosystem because it's multi-platform. If you have a PC, Mac, iPad etc. and an Android phone you can integrate everything with Google services. Chrome, Calendar, Contacts, Gmail, Google Music, Google Photos, Google Drive, Google Docs, Google Maps, etc. It's all integrated.

There are not a lot of choice for cloud services.
- apple
- google
- microsoft
- roll your own

Pretty much the draw for apple is all of their products are integrated into the ecosystem and cloud services, if that is your thing. Of course, you can mix and match and apple is the only one that is "closed". Some people care, some people don't. I don't. Being better because it's multi-platform is subjective to who is evaluating the ecosystem.

 

[Radon87000]

(posted edited to remove hyperbole and circular logic). Nothing (that remains) in that post provides any more information as to why I would want to move to android.
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There are not a lot of choice for cloud services.
- apple
- google
- microsoft
- roll your own

Pretty much the draw for apple is all of their products are integrated into the ecosystem and cloud services, if that is your thing. Of course, you can mix and match and apple is the only one that is "closed". Some people care, some people don't. I don't. Being better because it's multi-platform is subjective to who is evaluating the ecosystem.

If you use Google or Microsoft no such thing as an ecosystem. They work everywhere unlike Apple

 

[I7guy]

If you use Google or Microsoft no such thing as an ecosystem. They work everywhere unlike Apple

I don't need them to work anywhere as I don't use them. I use apples cloud services; which was my point.

 

[Radon87000]

I don't need them to work anywhere as I don't use them. I use apples cloud services; which was my point.

And Apple's services don't work on a computer if you have a Pc

 

[I7guy]

And Apple's services don't work on a computer if you have a Pc

I dont need them to, that's why I have a Mac, iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad and Apple TV. Especially the AW where I don't need to carry my phone to my face to see if I have incoming nor link any accounts to my pc.

 

[Radon87000]

I dont need them to, that's why I have a Mac, iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad and Apple TV. Especially the AW where I don't need to carry my phone to my face to see if I have incoming nor link any accounts to my pc.

And Google's ecosystem works on all those devices including PC and Mac

 

[Quu]

I don't think I'd switch to another platform at this point. The integration between my iPhone, Apple Watch and MacBook Pro is just too compelling. I use iMessage on my iPhone and Mac 24.7 and losing that alone would be a huge loss to me.

The Apple Watch is great too I cannot see myself not ever using it. Apple for sure got me locked in. If I only had an iPhone and used a Windows laptop and didn't own an Apple Watch I'd probably buy that new Samsung S8 instead but due to the integration, I'm staying on iOS.

 

[I7guy]

And Google's ecosystem works on all those devices including PC and Mac

It doesn't work as well as apples cloud services. iCloud sharing, continuity, hand-off, etc does not even exist on google apps on idevices.

 

[Radon87000]

It doesn't work as well as apples cloud services. iCloud sharing, continuity, hand-off, etc does not even exist on google apps on idevices.

Google Drive syncs between all devices as does Google Photos

Continuity and handoff are supported by Google's apps

 

[I7guy]

Google Drive syncs between all devices as does Google Photos

Continuity and handoff are supported by Google's apps

IMO, it's not as good as apples ecosystem integration. As apples integration is across devices not apps and withbapples integration no third party apps are needed, but work with everything.

 

[jamezr]

Google Drive syncs between all devices as does Google Photos

Continuity and handoff are supported by Google's apps

Plus if you are using on of Google's phones (Pixel) you get unlimited photo storage without compression.

 

[Roadstar]

And Apple's services don't work on a computer if you have a Pc

Actually quite a lot of them do. You just have to install them first, which applies to many other services as well.

 

[Radon87000]

IMO, it's not as good as apples ecosystem integration. As apples integration is across devices not apps and withbapples integration no third party apps are needed, but work with everything.

What do you mean by devices? Safari is an app which works on all iOS devices like chrome. The main benefit with third party apps is I can sync them with my PC. I can start browsing on my phone and complete reading the article on my computer. Google Docs, Photos all work seamlessly everywhere. Its too bad Apple stopped developing Safari for Windows. It used to be available for Windows just a couple of years ago

Actually quite a lot of them do. You just have to install them first, which applies to many other services as well.

Arent iCloud drive and Apple Music the only services which work?

 

[Roadstar]

Arent iCloud drive and Apple Music the only services which work?

Well there's more to iCloud on Windows than just drive. Picture sync works and so does e.g. bookmark sync.

 

[I7guy]

What do you mean by devices? Safari is an app which works on all iOS devices like chrome. The main benefit with third party apps is I can sync them with my PC. I can start browsing on my phone and complete reading the article on my computer. Google Docs, Photos all work seamlessly everywhere. Its too bad Apple stopped developing Safari for Windows. It used to be available for Windows just a couple of years ago

Continuity and handoff work across my devices. Phone, Mac, iPad and I don't need an internet connection to work on a doc, whilst with google docs you need an internet connection and Microsoft word on your android phone; which you dont have. So there is no seamless.

 

[Zaft]

I can also use find my iphone on PC.

 

[epicrayban]

Latest renderings: https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/16/iphone-8-iphone-7s-renders-cad-files/

iPhone 8 renders from ‘highly detailed CAD files’ show embedded Home button, wireless charging [Gallery]

The front should have a more bezel-less design, but according to Engadget, the overall body is accurate:



Engadget says that although the CAD files are for the chassis only, cutouts do reveal a few details.

The most obvious takeaway here is the dual camera’s new orientation, and that both the microphone plus the flash will be part of the camera bump […]

While the contour may look familiar, the back of the device will actually be covered in glass this time, which allows for the integration of wireless charging. This is hinted by what appears to be a carved out area for a wireless charging coil on the underside of the chassis.

 

[Zaft]

Latest renderings: https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/16/iphone-8-iphone-7s-renders-cad-files/

iPhone 8 renders from ‘highly detailed CAD files’ show embedded Home button, wireless charging [Gallery]

I think apple will get it done and have the FP scanner on the front. It will just be in small quantities. Almost every time apple has been doubted they end up delivering.

 

[epicrayban]

I think apple will get it done and have the FP scanner on the front. It will just be in small quantities. Almost every time apple has been doubted they end up delivering.

I think so too.

1) The tech should be more ready by then.

2) And more importantly, Apple would never make such a drastic change to something so iconic to the iPhone as to putting the FPS on the back. It's the most un-Apple rumor I've heard about the iPhone 8.

 

[Zaft]

I think so too. 1) The tech should be more ready, by then. And 2) more importantly, Apple would never make such a drastic change to something so iconic to the iPhone as to putting the FPS on the back. It's the most un-Apple rumor I've heard about the iPhone 8.

Even though it maybe un apple like I dont doubt that apple has tested a model with the FP scanner on the back, hence the rumors that are floating around.

 

[epicrayban]

Even though it maybe un apple like I dont doubt that apple has tested a model with the FP scanner on the back, hence the rumors that are floating around.

Yeah, probably as a backup plan.

Besides, if the iPhone 8 moves it to the back, that would mean the iPhone 7S and 7S Plus would still have it on the front. Super un-Apple.

But then again, Apple is looking like they'll be breaking tons of norms. Apple's flagship line-up in 2017 is shaping up to already be a little odd, in my opinion. There will be 7S and 7S Plus models, then an iPhone 8 (or Edition) model that, size-wize, sort of sits in-between the two 7S models (but closer to the smaller one)?

Like I've said before, this is the oddest and most unexpected way for Apple to catch up. When they said they were saving it all for the 2017 iPhone, I thought the entire lineup would get these exciting updates. Turns out it's not looking like the case, and worse, the only way to get these new features is in a more expensive tier model that is likely going to be hard to get ahold of.

I wouldn't be happy as an iPhone fan.

 

[Zaft]

Yeah, probably as a backup plan.

Besides, if the iPhone 8 moves it to the back, that would mean the iPhone 7S and 7S Plus would still have it on the front. Super un-Apple.

But then again, Apple is looking like they'll be breaking tons of norms. Apple's flagship line-up in 2017 is shaping up to already be a little odd, in my opinion. There will be 7S and 7S Plus models, then an iPhone 8 (or Edition) model that, size-wize, sort of sits in-between the two 7S models (but closer to the smaller one)?

Like I've said before, this is the oddest and most unexpected way for Apple to catch up. When they said they were saving it all for the 2017 iPhone, I thought the entire lineup would get these exciting updates. Turns out it's not looking like the case, and worse, the only way to get these new features is in a more expensive tier model that is likely going to be hard to get ahold of.

I wouldn't be happy as an iPhone fan.

Having a 7S/7S Plus that is overall the same as the 7 and then an "edition" iPhone would be odd.

 

[epicrayban]

Having a 7S/7S Plus that is overall the same as the 7 and then an "edition" iPhone would be odd.

Not only odd, but I'd go as far as to argue it's unfair.

7S models will likely retain their current price points (ie. not cheap), but won't feature anything too new or novel. There's already fragmentation between the regular and Plus models (only getting the dual camera in the Plus model), but now there might be even more fragmentation between all three models. The 7S models may or may not even get wireless charging. And they certainly won't have a more bezel-free design or integrated FPS under the display. And will the 7S Plus dual camera even be the same as the iPhone Edition dual camera, since it likely won't get the vertical design/features? Who knows.

The 7S models will effectively be a three year old design asking to go into a fourth year. The iPhone bezels and ergonomics are already embarrassingly large compared to the S8/G6, so to ask that design to go into 2018 as part of Apple's flagship lineup is, like I said earlier, I think, unfair to the consumer.

It's why I say I wouldn't be happy as an iPhone fan.

Of course, Apple marches to their own drum and timeline. And they may surprise us yet.

 

[spinedoc77]

Latest renderings: https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/16/iphone-8-iphone-7s-renders-cad-files/

iPhone 8 renders from ‘highly detailed CAD files’ show embedded Home button, wireless charging [Gallery]

The front should have a more bezel-less design, but according to Engadget, the overall body is accurate:



Engadget says that although the CAD files are for the chassis only, cutouts do reveal a few details.

The most obvious takeaway here is the dual camera’s new orientation, and that both the microphone plus the flash will be part of the camera bump […]

While the contour may look familiar, the back of the device will actually be covered in glass this time, which allows for the integration of wireless charging. This is hinted by what appears to be a carved out area for a wireless charging coil on the underside of the chassis.

Hmm, do I see the shadow of a fairly large upper bezel? I'm hoping it's just a shadow. I'd be VERY disappointed if it was that large, especially if the bottom will be wasted on whatever that function bar ends up being. Could it be that the ip8 will indeed have huge bezels like the ip7 and 7s? Unless the function bar disappears when I need it to, I'm going to count it as a bezel.

Otherwise looks pretty sweet. I'm trying not to get myself riled up so far away from release, all these rumors are very spotty at best. Come on Apple, lose a prototype at a bar or something.