Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[epicrayban]

More info leaking out of the Homepod firmware for the iPhone 8.

Seems like no under the display Touch ID, but includes tap-to-wake and higher resolution screen.

iPhone 8 tidbits from HomePod firmware: ‘Tap to wake’ support, no in-screen Touch ID, & more

 

[Zaft]

More info leaking out of the Homepod firmware for the iPhone 8.

Seems like no under the display Touch ID, but includes tap-to-wake and higher resolution screen.

iPhone 8 tidbits from HomePod firmware: ‘Tap to wake’ support, no in-screen Touch ID, & more

if true I wonder how apple pay will work...

 

[epicrayban]

if true I wonder how apple pay will work...

Maybe a different location for the Touch ID?

Who knows. It could be a controlled leak (this leak is by Apple after all), and they're just hiding the code for under the display Touch ID?

 

[Zaft]

Maybe a different location for the touch ID?

We will see very soon, all these rumors and supposed leaks are all over the place.

IF touch id is not there I can imagine apple making the front screen turn on bright (like the front flash for selfies) in order to have face id in the dark.

 

[epicrayban]

We will see very soon, all these rumors and supposed leaks are all over the place.

IF touch id is not there I can imagine apple making the front screen turn on bright (like the front flash for selfies) in order to have face id in the dark.

That seems like it might work.

Apple doesn't walk back features. If it's not under the display, I predict Touch ID will be somewhere else. Ever since the Pixel and S8, I've become accustomed to the back FPS. It's really not a dealbreaker, especially when paired with features like tap-to-wake or Always on Display, and face unlock. In fact, I only reach for the FPS when I know face unlock isn't in an ideal situation (like in the dark, as you mention).

I also wouldn't be opposed to Touch ID being on the side power button, but a previous supply chain rumor for the power button says it's missing those key hardware components, so if true, that rules that location out.

I don't foresee Touch ID just disappearing, but who knows. Cook did recently say you have to be willing to change. I agree. It's about time the iPhone got modern and more forward-thinking again. Samsung's design and hardware prowess -- just like Apple's in the past -- is influencing the industry to go more bezel-less.

 

[TechZeke]

Nope. Decided to keep my 6S Plus again this year and I'm ordering an 10.5" or 12.9" iPad Pro on Friday. I'm selling my SP4 to a relative. Apple has added enough features to iOS that I don't feel a need to go through the trouble of switching. I still don't even use all the fancy features of my iPhone. The main reason I'd switch now is purely for customization. Not a nock against Android though.

iOS 11 has me excited about iPad again. I'm already signed up for the Beta, so I'm installing it the second I get the iPad.

Loved SP4 and used the hell out of it for engineering school work, but along with my 15" rMBP, I basically had 2 full fledged laptops. I want something more for media consumption these days as I approach graduation. The new features of iOS 11 mean it'll be easier to use the iPad stand-alone. (For example, I only have 1 or 2 classes and just want to take notes and hang out in the library. Whereas when I was taking something like Hydraulics Engineering lab, I'd need the SP4 to use WaterCAD)

 

[I7guy]

Nope. Decided to keep my 6S Plus again this year and I'm ordering an 10.5" or 12.9" iPad Pro on Friday. I'm selling my SP4 to a relative. Apple has added enough features to iOS that I don't feel a need to go through the trouble of switching. I still don't even use all the fancy features of my iPhone. The main reason I'd switch now is purely for customization. Not a nock against Android though.

iOS 11 has me excited about iPad again. I'm already signed up for the Beta, so I'm installing it the second I get the iPad.

Loved SP4 and used the hell out of it for engineering school work, but along with my 15" rMBP, I basically had 2 full fledged laptops. I want something more for media consumption these days as I approach graduation. The new features of iOS 11 mean it'll be easier to use the iPad stand-alone. (For example, I only have 1 or 2 classes and just want to take notes and hang out in the library. Whereas when I was taking something like Hydraulics Engineering lab, I'd need the SP4 to use WaterCAD)

iPad users get a boondoggle with iOS 11. Right now I'm testing it on my 5s, another beta or two and it will be on my 6s.

 

[TechZeke]

iPad users get a boondoggle with iOS 11. Right now I'm testing it on my 5s, another beta or two and it will be on my 6s.

I've been doing the public beta every year since they started doing it, so I'm well aware of issues that come with using Beta software. That's why my 2011 iMac gets beta macOS, while the iPad usually got the beta iOS(before I had my SP4, I had an Air 2). I'm not putting beta software on my 6S Plus.

 

[Radon87000]

It's looking more and more like the base price version of the iPhone 8 is going to be $999. That's too much for me considering phones aren't the only thing I plan to buy alongside the new iPad(once the yellow tint models are no longer in circulation) and the AMD Vega GPU. If Apple continues to price the upgrades at 999 even next year I will probably have to switch to Android as a daily driver. I am not noticing anything unique in the iPhone 8 which Android hasn't already done.

 

[I7guy]

It's looking more and more like the base price version of the iPhone 8 is going to be $999. That's too much for me considering phones aren't the only thing I plan to buy alongside the new iPad(once the yellow tint models are no longer in circulation) and the AMD Vega GPU. If Apple continues to price the upgrades at 999 even next year I will probably have to switch to Android as a daily driver. I am not noticing anything unique in the iPhone 8 which Android hasn't already done.

By your own subjective values no reason to stay with Apple. Well okay, enjoy your android device then. Hope it's perfect out of the box. Huawei is a great buy at half the price of the iphone, hopefully without pink screen and other issues.(btw no comment on apples financial results?)

 

[Radon87000]

By your own subjective values no reason to stay with Apple. Well okay, enjoy your android device then. Hope it's perfect out of the box.

I don't like paying for a spec bumped old design year after year. So it's either the iPhone 8/9 or Android. However a 64 gig S8 clone design for 1K doesn't sit well with me so I would rather go with the innovative companies which aren't trying to price gouge customers.

I have no preference between Android and iOS with a slight bias toward Android so the OS part is irrelevant.

Huawei is a great buy at half the price of the iphone

Huawei has a terrible update policy so no. I will probably grab a One Plus 5 for the time being to while over my upgrade urges for this year. Then if next year if the lower model iPhones don't get worthy features than I think about a flagship phone from Samsung or Google.

hopefully without pink screen and other issues.

Even if it has a pink screen it makes no difference to me. I have been returning LCD devices due to yellow tint for years right from the Nexus 7 in 2013. The main difference being that when I eventually end up winning the screen lottery I will get a screen which blows away LCD in all metrics. The best display on the planet anyone?

(btw no comment on apples financial results?)

Intel is having smashing quarters compared to AMD. Guess who came out with the more innovative product this time around eh?

On a side note , I love how you hold on to every quarter las a drowning man to a plank. Let's see Timmy maintain record profits for 8 years in a row like how Jobs did and then we can talk.

However the iPad sales don't surprise me because they had sunk so low the only way they could have gone was up.overhauled iOS 11 and a design change with the 10.5 iPad probably helped. I will be honest I absolutely love the current iPad lineup and especially the 10.5 iPad which is the undisputed king of the tablet realm. That 120hz screen is amazing and perfectly complements my 144hz FreeSync Monitor.

However it Remains to be seen whether the increase can be maintained.

 

[I7guy]

I don't like paying for a spec bumped old design year after year. So it's either the iPhone 8/9 or Android. However a 64 gig S8 clone design for 1K doesn't sit well with me so I would rather go with the innovative companies which aren't trying to price gouge customers.

Okay you know my stance, get what makes you happy. You should buy and use what you like. But it's funny you would call iPhone overpriced but an s8 for $150 less isn't. But okay it's your value system.

I have no preference between Android and iOS with a slight bias toward Android so the OS part is irrelevant.

Okay, get what you want to use. I'm happy for you if you really like what you bought and like what you bought.

Huawei has a terrible update policy so no. I will probably grab a One Plus 5 for the time being to while over my upgrade urges for this year. Then if next year if the lower model iPhones don't get worthy features than I think about a flagship phone from Samsung or Google.

Good plan, Huawei is still the value leader. However, You're basically paying almost a grand just for updates.

Even if it has a pink screen it makes no difference to me. I have been returning LCD devices due to yellow tint for years right from the Nexus 7 in 2013. The main difference being that when I eventually end up winning the screen lottery I will get a screen which blows away LCD in all metrics. The best display on the planet anyone?

All of a sudden perfection is irrelevant. Well that's quite a stance switch. All well and good about the display, You get the best display on the planet for you and I'll get the best display on the planet for me.

Intel is having smashing quarters compared to AMD. Guess who came out with the more innovative product this time around eh?

Who is talking about Intel except for you?

On a side note , I love how you hold on to every quarter las a drowning man to a plank. Let's see Timmy maintain record profits for 8 years in a row like how Jobs did and then we can talk.

You're the one that predict Apple would be in for dismal quarter because the current management doesn't "know what it is doing" according to you. Well surprise in this quarter.

However the iPad sales don't surprise me because they had sunk so low the only way they could have gone was up.overhauled iOS 11 and a design change with the 10.5 iPad probably helped. I will be honest I absolutely love the current iPad lineup and especially the 10.5 iPad which is the undisputed king of the tablet realm. That 120hz screen is amazing and perfectly complements my 144hz FreeSync Monitor.

However it Remains to be seen whether the increase can be maintained.

Of course if next quarter Apple remains flat of revenue falls the usual rhetoric of which a lot is absent after the last call will again resurface.

 

[icemanbrfc]

We expect too much from a phone these days, then we literally don't make use of most of the features/software etc.

 

[epicrayban]

Not only might the iPhone 8 price be a hurdle to clear, availability is looking like it'll be a challenge, too. They are predicting severe supply constraints during initial launch.

Most will be getting 7S models, which if they end up being left unchanged design-wise, will have bezels from three years ago. "Flagships."


Also, is this going to cause some software fragmentation? How will the status bar work for the 7S models and the iPhone 8?

iPhone 8 concept explores how iOS 11 could reimagine the status bar and navigation

I cannot imagine Apple will go with the second picture due to the lack of symmetry. I like the third concept.

I also think moving the back navigation button to the bottom, and in general having the navigation pane or "function area" like that will finally get iOS' navigation more consistent.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not only might the iPhone 8 price be a hurdle to clear, availability is looking like it'll be a challenge, too. They are predicting severe supply constraints during initial launch.

Most will be getting 7S models, which if they end up being left unchanged design-wise, will have bezels from three years ago. "Flagships."

I too think if a 7S exists it'll be the bigger seller in many markets and appeals more to people like myself. The higher price iPhone 8 is quite a gamble I think as iPhones generally are considered quite expensive as phones go. Justifying almost MacBook pricing for a portable device is a stretch for many and I'm probably in the typical demographic that Apple aims at.

 

[epicrayban]

I too think if a 7S exists it'll be the bigger seller in many markets and appeals more to people like myself. The higher price iPhone 8 is quite a gamble I think as iPhones generally are considered quite expensive as phones go. Justifying almost MacBook pricing for a portable device is a stretch for many and I'm probably in the typical demographic that Apple aims at.

The 7S models will definitely exist. They have to. And no doubt they will be big sellers. I would say all three models, the 7S, 7S Plus, and even the iPhone 8, with its premium-premium pricing, will be huge sellers.

I criticize Apple at the level of the technology because they have fallen behind in hardware and software, but I'm not blind to what they do well. Couple that with their brand power, industry position and influence, and customer loyalty, and you have a profitable combination. Contrary to others here, I don't say Apple is "doomed" or in any sort of trouble. They can literally afford to wait to do whatever they want. And catching up, in Apple's world, is a big deal. Despite gambling with Macbook-esque pricing, the iPhone 8 will be a wild success, I predict.

But more important to me, the iPhone 8 represents a bright future for the iPhone at the level of the technology.

 

[Radon87000]

Okay you know my stance, get what makes you happy. You should buy and use what you like. But it's funny you would call iPhone overpriced but an s8 for $150 less isn't. But okay it's your value system.

Its not just $150 cheaper but its also got MicroSD expansion. Your realise the base price iPhone 8 will likely be limited to 64 gigs for a 1000 bucks which is approaching notebook levels of pricing.

Its all about the storage. It needs to be minimum 128GB for me to even consider it

Good plan, Huawei is still the value leader. However, You're basically paying almost a grand just for updates.

I am paying a grand for a better product. Samsung has the better displays than Huawei. Samsung has the better launcher. Samsung has the better build quality than Huawei. Samsung has a better design

All of a sudden perfection is irrelevant. Well that's quite a stance switch. All well and good about the display, You get the best display on the planet for you and I'll get the best display on the planet for me.

Yellow tint has irked me on every LCD display I tried including non Apple devices. Pink tint has only been reported on certain S8 and were most certainly not reported on S7 Edge or other OLED devices which makes it an anomaly.

I am getting the best display on the planet as proved by lab test. In other news some person somewhere on this planet feels a Moto G has the best display on the planet

Who is talking about Intel except for you?

I am talking about you implying Apple makes a better product coz sales

You're the one that predict Apple would be in for dismal quarter because the current management doesn't "know what it is doing" according to you. Well surprise in this quarter.

I was right the past quarter. You were wrong. I said the iPad sales will increase if Apple makes a design change in the iPad,makes iOS more like Windows. I was right. The 9.7 inch iPad Pro,iOS 10 were not upgrades to the Air 2. The 10.5 and iOS 11 were hence ales increased.

Of course if next quarter Apple remains flat of revenue falls the usual rhetoric of which a lot is absent after the last call will again resurface.

While we are bickering when Jobs was around there was a sustained increase in every metric for years on end. Would you bet a fortune that Apple's sales or profits wont decline even once for the next 8 years? I certainly wont

 

[BlueGoldAce]

What is the point in trying to defend apples pricing? Outside of the iPad (which sets in its own unique area, and does what it does very well),the competition has leveled the playing field in all other products. For example:

The s8, LG G6 (or whatever it is), and the pixel (soon to be pixel 2) all offer a compelling alternative. These alternatives are not really inferior in anyway, and all have their strength and weaknesses. You name something iOS does better than Android, and I'll name the opposite, and vice versa. It's a matter or personal personal preference here. One could argue the s8 is the best phone on the market currently, and doing so should logically admit that the next iPhone/pixel will be newer and have and likely better in some way...yet by the time these two phones are readily available, the next galaxy, etc is a few months away.

MacBook: surface devices, XPS devices, etc all offer their own set of compelling features. If anything, the OSes are becoming more and more alike, and thus this is apples biggest disparity (imo). The prices of the MBPs are hard to justify compared to the competition. But...who said you need to justify it? Just enjoy it.

Apple TV: there is little to argue in favor of the apple TV, unless you need the ecosystem.

Apple watch: great product, and the price is decent. The competition is getting better, and I think the gear S3 is on par. I own both, and can see the appeals of both.

The point here is that their is competition on all fronts. There is only so much justifying of the apple tax (aka the higher price) you can do, before it gets to be a bit ridiculous. Apple charges more than anyone else, period. If you think it is justified, great, but that doesn't make it the objective truth. Every company, from cars to software, eventually has to acknowledge the competition and begin to consider them when they price their products. Apple has been immune to this, but it won't be forever. History and logic dictate this.

That being said, I am interested to see what the new iPhones bring to the table. It's always good for the customer when competition fuels innovation....as long as it isn't stiffled by absurd pricing.

 

[epicrayban]

What is the point in trying to defend apples pricing? Outside of the iPad (which sets in its own unique area, and does what it does very well),the competition has leveled the playing field in all other products. For example:

The s8, LG G6 (or whatever it is), and the pixel (soon to be pixel 2) all offer a compelling alternative. These alternatives are not really inferior in anyway, and all have their strength and weaknesses. You name something iOS does better than Android, and I'll name the opposite, and vice versa. It's a matter or personal personal preference here. One could argue the s8 is the best phone on the market currently, and doing so should logically admit that the next iPhone/pixel will be newer and have and likely better in some way...yet by the time these two phones are readily available, the next galaxy, etc is a few months away.

MacBook: surface devices, XPS devices, etc all offer their own set of compelling features. If anything, the OSes are becoming more and more alike, and thus this is apples biggest disparity (imo). The prices of the MBPs are hard to justify compared to the competition. But...who said you need to justify it? Just enjoy it.

Apple TV: there is little to argue in favor of the apple TV, unless you need the ecosystem.

Apple watch: great product, and the price is decent. The competition is getting better, and I think the gear S3 is on par. I own both, and can see the appeals of both.

The point here is that their is competition on all fronts. There is only so much justifying of the apple tax (aka the higher price) you can do, before it gets to be a bit ridiculous. Apple charges more than anyone else, period. If you think it is justified, great, but that doesn't make it the objective truth. Every company, from cars to software, eventually has to acknowledge the competition and begin to consider them when they price their products. Apple has been immune to this, but it won't be forever. History and logic dictate this.

That being said, I am interested to see what the new iPhones bring to the table. It's always good for the customer when competition fuels innovation....as long as it isn't stiffled by absurd pricing.

I said earlier, competition has awoken a beast in Apple. I'm really excited about Apple's next few years. They are a tech company; I should be excited about their tech, not their profits.

I'm hoping after OLED yields become more available for them in the coming years, the prices will come back down to the more "reasonable" Apple tax that we're used to. Hopefully, it also means they can offer customers more size options. Currently, the iPhone 8 is going to be offered in one size only. And during a year that is supposed to also see 7S models. It's a little bizarre that it's all landing on the same year, but it's how Apple wants to catch up.

The good news is that it's a glimpse of the future of where the iPhone can go and how it can finally offer a more modern design with more useful features.

It also shows the 7S models for what they are: "flagships." Who else can get away with a three year old design being asked to go into a fourth year other than Apple? Ask HTC and Sony!


EDIT: Hope Apple does come back in 2018 with an iPhone 8 Plus model because:

Large iPhones have nearly killed off small screens among US users despite SE growth


Sorry to those that hate Samsung for paving the way to larger phones because it seems people love their large iPhones.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I am amazed the larger models are more popular in certain countries. I don't get the impression that is the case here in the UK as I don't see as many on ratio in the wild. Personally I hate large phones, and would not buy one, but that is just me. I moaned when the 6 was announced but it was a lot easier to get used to than the significantly larger Plus model. That is not a jump I would take.

 

[I7guy]

Its not just $150 cheaper but its also got MicroSD expansion. Your realise the base price iPhone 8 will likely be limited to 64 gigs for a 1000 bucks which is approaching notebook levels of pricing.

So basically the iPhone is expensive but this at almost the same price is not. It's your value system, hope you like your new phone.

Its all about the storage. It needs to be minimum 128GB for me to even consider it

I just bought a 128 gig 6s+

I am paying a grand for a better product. Samsung has the better displays than Huawei. Samsung has the better launcher. Samsung has the better build quality than Huawei. Samsung has a better design

Same argument those who like to phones use. Your end titles to your subjective opinion but you're paying twice the cost for 10% of the functionality increment.

Yellow tint has irked me on every LCD display I tried including non Apple devices. Pink tint has only been reported on certain S8 and were most certainly not reported on S7 Edge or other OLED devices which makes it an anomaly.

I suspect oled anomalies will irk you also, since from your posts you are very particular.

I am getting the best display on the planet as proved by lab test. In other news some person somewhere on this planet feels a Moto G has the best display on the planet

You are getting the display you like best based on someone else's opinion, is what you're doing.

I am talking about you implying Apple makes a better product coz sales

Better is not an absolute, it's an opinion.

I was right the past quarter. You were wrong. I said the iPad sales will increase if Apple makes a design change in the iPad,makes iOS more like Windows. I was right. The 9.7 inch iPad Pro,iOS 10 were not upgrades to the Air 2. The 10.5 and iOS 11 were hence ales increased.

I'm talking about apples earnings call, no doom or gloom in that as was predicted. iOS 11 wasn't released, sales didn't bouy the product based on the public beta.

While we are bickering when Jobs was around there was a sustained increase in every metric for years on end. Would you bet a fortune that Apple's sales or profits wont decline even once for the next 8 years? I certainly wont

I was discussing....I wasn't here until 2013. And your(incorrect) point was since 2013 you've been declaring doom and gloom for Apple. It hasn't happened. People are gleeful when a quarterly report is down in some metric but up in the same metric ytd. Bottom line, love him or hate him cook is here to stay and he has made Apple his.

 

[Zaft]

If Apple include Airpods in the iPhone 8 the $999 price will be worth it.

I have a feeling they will be included.

 

[epicrayban]

I am amazed the larger models are more popular in certain countries. I don't get the impression that is the case here in the UK as I don't see as many on ratio in the wild. Personally I hate large phones, and would not buy one, but that is just me. I moaned when the 6 was announced but it was a lot easier to get used to than the significantly larger Plus model. That is not a jump I would take.

I'm a smaller phone kind of guy, too.

To me, the S8 is the best of both worlds (it's smaller than the S7 Edge, which was as far as I could manage in terms of a large phone).

This is also why I hope Google doesn't shortchange the Pixel 2. They would be creating another Nexus 5X/Nexus 6P scenario if they save only the best design and premium features for the larger Pixel 2 XL, especially considering they're both being designed by different OEMs (HTC for Pixel 2, LG for Pixel 2 XL). I think that sucks. They should really continue offering no-compromise models like they did originally, and like Samsung.

That also means Google will have one premier flagship in only a large size. While, conversely, Apple will have one premiere flagship in only a small size.

I really hope that's not the case for the Pixel 2.


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If Apple include Airpods in the iPhone 8 the $999 price will be worth it.

I have a feeling they will be included.

I would bet against that, but I do hope you're right.

 

[QueenTyrone]

If Apple include Airpods in the iPhone 8 the $999 price will be worth it.

I have a feeling they will be included.

The 256 7+ without air pods is 969 without tax, the 8 will definitely be 200+ more, probably with no airpods LOL

 

[tbayrgs]

If Apple include Airpods in the iPhone 8 the $999 price will be worth it.

I have a feeling they will be included.

Next to zero chance AirPods will be included with the new iPhone. Why would they give away for free a product that is already in high demand and that they can’t keep in supply when they don’t need to? The iPhone demand will far exceed Apple’s available supply and if they can’t keep AirPods in stock now, how on Earth would they able be able to manufacture enough for millions of iPhones?

Apple doesn’t even include a USB-A to USB-C adapter with their newest MacBooks and MBP—no way they include AirPods when those same customers wiling to drop $1,000+ on a new iPhone are the same ones who will likely also spend another $159 on AirPods without batting an eye.