Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[spinedoc77]

Could simply be that you have the option to expand / stretch the video to full screen like on the S8/G6 however we could also get option for black bars on sides for 16:9 ...

Yeah a dev can choose to put the video under the notch, or black out the ears and notch completely. At least that's what I got from the video Apple put up on design suggestions for the X. But as I stated before they are strongly encouraging blacking out the ears ONLY for the most passive activities like video. Otherwise their stance is that blacking out the ears makes the app feel small and cramped and goes doesn't look consistent.

Honestly, while I find it fugly and a terrible Ive-like decision, I know I'll get used to it and in a few months won't even think twice about it. iOS is like that, it has so many ugly, disjointed, terrible design decisions all mish mashed into one horrifying UI, but your brain just kind of glosses over it and gets used to it.

Personally I think the best thing they could do is get rid of Ive, it seems his only job is to justify his own job by constantly making design changes that aren't needed, but are progressively worse as he runs out of ideas. I read an article that this is endemic to the design teams at these companies, and in order for someone to get a promotion or move ahead they have to play the game.
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It's such a shame about the front design, because the Silver iPhone 8 with the white glass back is pretty stunning. I love white phones. And I love glass-back phones. It's a beautiful combination and a real step up from the Silver iPhone 7.

I wish Samsung would do a white version like this.

Yeah I like the white one too, finally a black front! I always get the black ones, but I think I may go white or silver this year to spice things up. I'm not 100% sold on the polished metal surround though, it's IRONIC that it gives it that Samsung fake chrome surround feel we all used to make fun of. Yeah I know it's polished stainless steel, but it still looks like fake plastic chrome. I would have preferred brushed, or just color matched. I haven't had a good look at the black X, is that a black steel surround?
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I completely understand what you mean. I said very early on that I didn't like the way Apple was going about catching up: in a third, even higher, more expensive, and more exclusive tier. I also asked what kind of flagships does that make the 7S models, now known as the iPhone 8?

It is a little weird, but it doesn't matter. Today, Apple introduced the next generation of iconic smartphones.




Nothing to rejoice about per se. Apple fans will just come to realize what Android fans already knew: fragmentation isn't really a big deal.

They're going to come to appreciate a lot of what we've already been enjoying.

My question is what will the top of the line phone be going forward? If the X becomes the Xs next year, then what is the mid tier going to be? If the X becomes the mid tier then what will be the new top dog, and how will Apple make it worth 1k? This year it's excusable to see the 1k price because it's such an advancement for an iPhone, but I can't see them making those huge changes every year.

 

[Roadstar]

While I was pretty much considering upgrading to the 8/8 plus right after the event, now after sleeping over it I'm starting to hate the new prices. I have the 128 GB 7, so going to 8 would mean cutting my storage in half for just 20e less than I paid for my 128GB, and with the new camera capabilities going with less storage doesn't really sound like an option. 256GB on the other hand would push it to 999e, while the plus version would go near iPhone X prices at 1109e. Especially if the camera turns out to be somewhat disappointing again, I think I'll be waiting for the Android options instead.

One additional thing to consider is Apple Pay. I'll have to see which banks get supported here. If mine isn't included, I guess that's the final nail in the coffin.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Quite a few banking apps including PayPal use Touch ID, it'll be interesting to hear how long it takes to update their apps for this face thing.

 

[Technarchy]

Since I have an S8+, the question for me is do I want to update my iPhone 7+ to an iPhone X.

It's possible, but I will not be preordering. I want to actually see the device up close and try it first.

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah a dev can choose to put the video under the notch, or black out the ears and notch completely. At least that's what I got from the video Apple put up on design suggestions for the X. But as I stated before they are strongly encouraging blacking out the ears ONLY for the most passive activities like video. Otherwise their stance is that blacking out the ears makes the app feel small and cramped and goes doesn't look consistent.

Honestly, while I find it fugly and a terrible Ive-like decision, I know I'll get used to it and in a few months won't even think twice about it. iOS is like that, it has so many ugly, disjointed, terrible design decisions all mish mashed into one horrifying UI, but your brain just kind of glosses over it and gets used to it.

Personally I think the best thing they could do is get rid of Ive, it seems his only job is to justify his own job by constantly making design changes that aren't needed, but are progressively worse as he runs out of ideas. I read an article that this is endemic to the design teams at these companies, and in order for someone to get a promotion or move ahead they have to play the game.
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Yeah I like the white one too, finally a black front! I always get the black ones, but I think I may go white or silver this year to spice things up. I'm not 100% sold on the polished metal surround though, it's IRONIC that it gives it that Samsung fake chrome surround feel we all used to make fun of. Yeah I know it's polished stainless steel, but it still looks like fake plastic chrome. I would have preferred brushed, or just color matched. I haven't had a good look at the black X, is that a black steel surround?
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My question is what will the top of the line phone be going forward? If the X becomes the Xs next year, then what is the mid tier going to be? If the X becomes the mid tier then what will be the new top dog, and how will Apple make it worth 1k? This year it's excusable to see the 1k price because it's such an advancement for an iPhone, but I can't see them making those huge changes every year.

Considering it’s no longer iPhone “ex” I think they will release an iPhone XI and XI Plus next year as they just couldn’t get enough yields for the Plus model. You can see in specs they compare the X with the iPhone 8 and not 8 Plus which implies they will come up with a new phone to fill that gap. The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will become iPhone 10 but will get incremental updates like today while the iPhone XI gets the real deal.

Omitting OIS in the 8 Plus second lens was a petty move imo as now there is nothing which makes it a worthy upgrade for the 7 Plus owners. I care for ProMotion more than TrueTone and that’s not there in either model. Prolly saving it for next year.

 

[Fernandez21]

Considering it’s no longer iPhone “ex” I think they will release an iPhone XI and XI Plus next year as they just couldn’t get enough yields for the Plus model. You can see in specs they compare the X with the iPhone 8 and not 8 Plus which implies they will come up with a new phone to fill that gap. The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will become iPhone 10 but will get incremental updates like today while the iPhone XI gets the real deal.

Omitting OIS in the 8 Plus second lens was a petty move imo as now there is nothing which makes it a worthy upgrade for the 7 Plus owners. I care for ProMotion more than TrueTone and that’s not there in either model. Prolly saving it for next year.

Yeah, if it had pro-motion and touch id I would've gotten it even at this price. If I'm paying $1,150 plus tax for a phone I want it to have everything. Hoping for some carrier discounts as I love the design, but if none are available I'll be saving my money until it has those features.

 

[UKapple]

The tech is impressive, but I'm cynical towards daily usage. They made it *more* cumbersome to use Apple Pay. It actually seems easier for a stranger to unlock your phone if they can get their hands on the device with you there. Police - they can handcuff you, hold the photo up to your face, boom - unlocked.

Police handcuffing you and shoving your phone in your face to unlock it...where do you live?...north korea!!

 

[Technarchy]

Police handcuffing you and shoving your phone in your face to unlock it...where do you live?...north korea!!

Have you seen how cops treat nurses in the USA?

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah, if it had pro-motion and touch id I would've gotten it even at this price. If I'm paying $1,150 plus tax for a phone I want it to have everything. Hoping for some carrier discounts as I love the design, but if none are available I'll be saving my money until it has those features.

They could have removed TouchID and put it on the back but then the entire Internet will blast Apple on how it’s not ergonomic which is why they opted for form over function by putting it on the back.

Looking at how well rehearsed these events are I am a little put off by how FaceID failed in the first go. It doesn’t seem like Apple at all to forget to enter a passcode after starting the phone. If it had TouchID I wouldn’t have had conflicted feelings on this phone. Now I am scared that if I trade in my 7 Plus like I planned and get the X and turns out the FaceID is slower and less reliable than that would ruin the year for me as much as I love the OLED display on the phone.

 

[Technarchy]

Yeah, if it had pro-motion and touch ID...

I had my fingers crossed for both. That would have been huge. Maybe next year.

I am curious about Apple's implementation of OLED; not a single hands on gushed about the display. When tech bloggers first got their hands on the S8 and Note 8 they drooled over the Infinity Display. Thus far, I haven't seen the same enthusiasm for Apple's Super OLED.

 

[UKapple]

Have you seen how cops treat nurses in the USA?

Can't say I have but there's obviously a recent story to this. Meanwhile here in the UK you'd be lucky to see a cop after all the cutbacks!!

 

[Radon87000]

I had my fingers crossed for both. That would have been huge. Maybe next year.

I am curious about Apple's implementation of OLED; not a single hands on gushed about the display. When tech bloggers first got their hands on the S8 and Note 8 they drooled over the Infinity Display. Thus far, I haven't seen the same enthusiasm for Apple's Super OLED.

That’s because TheVerge confirmed that it’s not as saturated as Samsung’s display. So doesn’t seem as inviting.

 

[Technarchy]

That’s because TheVerge confirmed that it’s not as saturated as Samsung’s display. So doesn’t seem as inviting.

Demo video footage did seem to lack that "pop" factor of Samsung displays. It's hard to really tell with Youtube vids.

 

[Fernandez21]

I had my fingers crossed for both. That would have been huge. Maybe next year.

I am curious about Apple's implementation of OLED; not a single hands on gushed about the display. When tech bloggers first got their hands on the S8 and Note 8 they drooled over the Infinity Display. Thus far, I haven't seen the same enthusiasm for Apple's Super OLED.

That "maybe next year" phrase is why I'm hesitant in spending that much for this phone.

 

[apolloa]

Luckily for me I'd already bought my 10.5 inch iPad Pro 256GB at the end of July before the price hike.

They are blaming it on the price increase of NAND chips..

http://9to5mac.com/2017/09/12/ipad-pro-price-increase/#disqus_thread

Yeah... a £50 increase blamed on memory prices.. because you know it was all in the news about their Samsung increasing its costs by £50 right????
They have probably increased by a dollar and Apple saw a perfect opportunity to rip everyone off some more..

 

[Fernandez21]

They are blaming it on the price increase of NAND chips..

http://9to5mac.com/2017/09/12/ipad-pro-price-increase/#disqus_thread

Yeah... a £50 increase blamed on memory prices.. because you know it was all in the news about their Samsung increasing its costs by £50 right????
They have probably increased by a dollar and Apple saw a perfect opportunity to rip everyone off some more..

I'm sure if the price decreased they would of lowered prices too. /s

 

[apolloa]

Oh and Markus Brownee said he didn't think the iPhone X display was as bright as the Note 8 one.... so outdoors it may be poor and it may not be as good at HDR?

Hmm I need to get some hands on, I may have to buy the X, but I may get a Note 8 next year too..

 

[MRU]

Demo video footage did seem to lack that "pop" factor of Samsung displays. It's hard to really tell with Youtube vids.

For many of us this is good news. I would go with a properly calibrated OLED over an oversaturated one any day. It’s why I always used Samsung’s basic calibration in the past.

 

[mi7chy]

Oh and Markus Brownee said he didn't think the iPhone X display was as bright as the Note 8 one....

That's expected. Samsung doesn't sell their newest and best. Now waiting for a scientific teardown to determine if the X's display is one or two Samsumg generations old.

 

[tomo999]

hmmmm. Sticking with my iphone but this thread has made me think about my reasons why.

I moved over from using Android phones (Galaxy S2) years and years ago because I felt iOS was way better than the awful Android OS I was using.

I think Android phones do offer more for less money than the current batch of iphones (comparing hardware alone), but what keeps me an Apple customer is the software; using iOS is still a better user experience IMO than the Andriod alternative. Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect but it's still beats what I see on new Android phones.

 

[apolloa]

I'm sure if the price decreased they would of lowered prices too.

Yeah right because NAND prices have really increased by £50...
I can't remember the last time Apple reduced prices on any new model????

 

[Technarchy]

That's expected. Samsung doesn't sell their newest and best. Now waiting for a scientific teardown to determine if the X's display is one or two Samsumg generations old.

I'm wagering Apple calibrated their OLED panel for 625 cd/m2 maximum brightness on purpose. That exactly matches the same brightness as the iPhone 7 and 7+. That can't be accidental.

 

[Fernandez21]

Yeah right because NAND prices have really increased by £50...
I can't remember the last time Apple reduced prices on any new model????

I was being sarcastic. Maybe I should add /s, thought it was obvious though.

 

[MRU]

Oh and Markus Brownee said he didn't think the iPhone X display was as bright as the Note 8 one.... so outdoors it may be poor and it may not be as good at HDR?

Hmm I need to get some hands on, I may have to buy the X, but I may get a Note 8 next year too..

I'm wagering Apple calibrated their OLED panel for 625 cd/m2 maximum brightness on purpose. That exactly matches the same brightness as the iPhone 7 and 7+. That can't be accidental.

The 7+ can go up to over 700 Nits outdoors and the S8/S8+/Note 8 all ramp up brightness outdoors to a higher max Nits than their in interior max level.

Until we get a proper diagnosis rather than just an initial brief hands-on impression, one whose observation could also be accounted for by such differing colour calibrations between devices (an S7 or S8 in side by side with another same device, appears dimmer when in Basic mode compared to the same device in Adaptive for example) we simply won't know.

I personally expect a panel brighter than the current crop of iPhones and the iPhone 8 & 8+. Possibly matching the S7/7E at least in brightness. Which yes isn't reaching 1000 Nits outdoors, but should still be perfectly viewable (we didn't have an issue with the S7 & 7e or Note 7).

However I still fully expect OLED fans to complain in the months ahead that the panels appear washed out simply because Apple has opted to offer them calibrated more for colour accuracy rather than oversaturated pop which has been the default on Android for a long while.

For me, as long as I can get a proper colour accurate gamut whilst importantly preserving the white accuracy. Which is something both Samsung and likes of Google Pixel (with its Samsung AMOLED panel) who both shift their white point to a far more unpalatable yellow cast when in Basic or SRGB modes. A shifted white point which is not attractive on their AMOLED screens. So avoiding that yellow cast, I will be satisfied if white is white, even if those who do prefer synthetic saturation remain disappointed.

 

[mib1800]

The 7+ can go up to over 700 Nits outdoors and the S8/S8+/Note 8 all ramp up brightness outdoors to a higher max Nits than their in interior max level.

Until we get a proper diagnosis rather than just an initial brief hands-on impression, one whose observation could also be accounted for by such differing colour calibrations between devices (an S7 or S8 in side by side with another same device, appears dimmer when in Basic mode compared to the same device in Adaptive for example) we simply won't know.

I personally expect a panel brighter than the current crop of iPhones and the 8 & 8+. Possibly matching the S7/7E at least in brightness. Which yes isn't reaching 1000 Nits outdoors, but should still be perfectly viewable (we didn't have an issue with the S7 & 7e or Note 7).

However I still fully expect OLED fans to complain in the months ahead that the panels appear washed out simply because Apple has opted to offer them calibrated more for colour accuracy rather than oversaturated pop which has been the default on Android for a long while.

For me, as long as I can get a proper colour accurate gamut whilst importantly preserving the white accuracy. Which is something both Samsung and likes of Google Pixel (with its Samsung AMOLED panel) who both shift their white point to a far more unpalatable yellow cast when in Basic or SRGB modes. A shifted white point which is not attractive on their AMOLED screens. So avoiding that yellow cast, I will be satisfied if white is white, even if those who do prefer synthetic saturation remain disappointed.

In S8/note8 you can adjust the RGB level to you liking. The question is can you do that in Iphone X.