Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[The-Real-Deal82]

I know plenty of them, see them all day in my waiting room on their new 7/7+ iphones or S8/8+, I'm expecting some Note 8's any day now. All my friends complain that their teens want the latest and greatest. Of course that's just anecdotal and I'm not saying I know in general. My kids are too young to worry about that yet, sigh... But if they don't have any other bills then I don't see needing to be wealthy to afford $40-50/month if they are working.

Yeah definitely very different to the UK. The phone costs significantly more here and I doubt many teenagers would pass the credit check needed to take out a monthly contract here whether they work or not. Thankfully both my daughters are also too young to own a mobile phone. iPads are much cheaper.

 

[spinedoc77]

Yeah definitely very different to the UK. The phone costs significantly more here and I doubt many teenagers would pass the credit check needed to take out a monthly contract here whether they work or not. Thankfully both my daughters are also too young to own a mobile phone. iPads are much cheaper.

Oh they won't pass the credit check here either, the parents do that for them. Usually among my friends with teens they make them work to pay things like auto insurance and luxury purchases like phones, but don't charge them rent or food. I agree with that as long as it doesn't interfere with school, sports or extracurricular. ie: study hard, play hard, do extra stuff for your resume, but if you don't be prepared to pay your way. For me it's easy as a business owner, they can start working in the business, make some money, give me a nice tax write off, and also start to contribute to their retirement totally tax free.

 

[Michael Goff]

You will note that the content of the webpage is within a safe zone that is away from the rounded corners and the notch. So if the devs follow Apples design guidelines the notch will NOT be an issue. Of course it looks FUGLY and terrible, but shouldn't affect functionality.

So what was the point of going "edge to edge" if we're getting a large chunk taken out? Why not just have actual bezel instead of fake bezel?

 

[spinedoc77]

So what was the point of going "edge to edge" if we're getting a large chunk taken out? Why not just have actual bezel instead of fake bezel?

The point is that the status bar can be on the left and the right of the notch, instead of wasting the space by just blacking it out in hardware. Another related example is previously when in a call, or on a hotspot you would get that green/blue bar pushing everything down, and losing some screen space. With the X you get the green/blue bar on the status bar which is up next to the notch, so you don't lose screen space to that.

 

[epicrayban]

The back of the silver iPhone 8 Plus is easily the best iteration of the iPhone 6-design language.

It's beautifully showcased here briefly in MKBHD's video:

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I honestly don't think so. It'll be noticed, and remembered, and that signature silhouette will help it sell. But it won't be iconic.

Everyone is talking about the notch and the "ears." I think it's on its way to becoming iconic already!

 

[tbayrgs]

iPhone X renders webpages with literal white bars on the sides

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Especially for the iPhone X price.

What’s the point of having ‘all screen’ if so much of it is rendered useless (like above on Safari) or really inelegant (the rabbit ears)? Yes, the X is physically smaller than the Plus models with technically a larger display but it seems that display is often far less useful and requires quite a few compromises.

Slimmer bezels just for the sake of saying you have slimmer bezels, at the expense of functionality, is utterly pointless, IMO. And I’m not just talking about Apple here either.

 

[Oohara]

What’s the point of having ‘all screen’ if so much of it is rendered useless (like above on Safari) or really inelegant (the rabbit ears)? Yes, the X is physically smaller than the Plus models with technically a larger display but it seems that display is often far less useful and requires quite a few compromises.

Slimmer bezels just for the sake of saying you have slimmer bezels, at the expense of functionality, is utterly pointless, IMO. And I’m not just talking about Apple here either.

Exactly. And those examples look just gross. I'm happy for those who like it but man...I literally feel pain in my eyes when I see those pics lol

And a funny thing about the bezels, like someone else mentioned above they don't even look that slim on the X for some reason! Maybe it's that notch that makes them stand out. The S8 line and the Note 8 look way more "bezel free" imo.

 

[Fernandez21]

The point is making the phone as small as possible and the screen as large as possible. Would you rather have a phone with 5.8" uniform display (no notch), but that is larger due to top and bottom bezels, a 5.5" uniform display in the same size device but with top and bottom bezels, or a 5.8" edge display with a notch but in the smaller body? I would much rather have the notch and a smaller body.

 

[Oohara]

Everyone is talking about the notch and the "ears." I think it's on its way to becoming iconic already!

Talking yes, but what are they saying? I mean, there's a difference between iconic and infamous. Of course, leave it to Apple to turn what is essentially a grave design flaw/failure to solve a technical difficulty into people's favourite detail, so yes that notch could become truly iconic over time. That's the power of a brand so strong it's borderline a religion.

But still, I don't think so. I think they'll probably stick with it for 2-3 years and then finally come up with a way to make a bezel free phone with a nice symmetrical display, and then the notch will remain only in memory as a kooky, infamous novelty from Apple's past, like skeuomorphism in iOS or the iMac 'puck' mouse. Not as an iconic, groundbreaking and truly beloved design like the iPod scroll wheel.

Of course they do have the means to make a symmetrical nearly-all-screen phone already but just like they adopted 'phablet' dimensions years after they'd become commonplace for Android phones, I think they'll wait a good while just to show people that they're confident and in no rush.

Anyway, here I go with the ranting again. Really I'm not out to bash Apple here because I do love many of their products, and if people like the X then I'm happy for them. It's just that this kind of design decision just irks me so much I have trouble letting it go lol...

Actually it's just like with the Moto 360. The whole point of that watch, even the product name states so, is that it's round. How can it then be anywhere near acceptable to shave off a sliver of the watch face so that it's not round anymore...?! The mind boggles.

Similarly the point of the X is to be all screen, which means that they have to remove the home button and come up with another means of unlocking. But then they come up with a method that requires them to put a big ass dent in that beautiful big screen they just made possible...! WTF?! I don't mind how it actually looks so much as the principle... It just feels like the epitome of bad design lol.

Bah there I go again sorry, someone stop me please!
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The point is making the phone as small as possible and the screen as large as possible. Would you rather have a phone with 5.8" uniform display (no notch), but that is larger due to top and bottom bezels, a 5.5" uniform display in the same size device but with top and bottom bezels, or a 5.8" edge display with a notch but in the smaller body? I would much rather have the notch and a smaller body.

Yes, I'll absolutely take bezels and a bigger footprint any day. The notch design is an unacceptable solution in my taste and I don't mind a bit of pocket bulge. The S8 phones are a good example - Apple would only need a tiny top and bottom bezel to do away with the notch. So a 18:9 and 5.8" screen phone would still end up way smaller than the 8 Plus.

That's my preference though, not saying anyone who likes the X is wrong for feeling otherwise!
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What’s the point of having ‘all screen’ if so much of it is rendered useless (like above on Safari) or really inelegant (the rabbit ears)? Yes, the X is physically smaller than the Plus models with technically a larger display but it seems that display is often far less useful and requires quite a few compromises.

Slimmer bezels just for the sake of saying you have slimmer bezels, at the expense of functionality, is utterly pointless, IMO. And I’m not just talking about Apple here either.

Oh, and sorry but I have to make this point again: a 5.8" and 18:9 screen is technically larger than a 5.5" and 16:9 screen only in the diagonal and length measures. The 5.8" screen is 2 mm narrower which will make content look smaller in portrait mode, and the screen area is smaller.

Damn these sales tricks making it sound like you're actually getting a bigger screen Partially true, yes, but most content enjoyment/productivity - browsing, taking notes, reading, gaming, watching photos, scanning documents, etc - benefits more from the 16:9 format imo.

I'll accept 18:9 on the Note 8 where the screen is so big overall that it won't be smaller in portrait mode than that of the iPhone Plus models. But for the X (just like the S8), they make it sound like they give you a bigger screen than the iPhone Plus but in a smaller footprint, which essentially just isn't true.

 

[mib1800]

Physical aspects wise, IPX is not breaking any ground and still loses out to S8.

 

[Fernandez21]

Talking yes, but what are they saying? I mean, there's a difference between iconic and infamous. Of course, leave it to Apple to turn what is essentially a grave design flaw/failure to solve a technical difficulty into people's favourite detail, so yes that notch could become truly iconic over time. That's the power of a brand so strong it's borderline a religion.

But still, I don't think so. I think they'll probably stick with it for 2-3 years and then finally come up with a way to make a bezel free phone with a nice symmetrical display, and then the notch will remain only in memory as a kooky, infamous novelty from Apple's past, like skeuomorphism in iOS or the iMac 'puck' mouse. Not as an iconic, groundbreaking and truly beloved design like the iPod scroll wheel.

Of course they do have the means to make a symmetrical nearly-all-screen phone already but just like they adopted 'phablet' dimensions years after they'd become commonplace for Android phones, I think they'll wait a good while just to show people that they're confident and in no rush.

Anyway, here I go with the ranting again. Really I'm not out to bash Apple here because I do love many of their products, and if people like the X then I'm happy for them. It's just that this kind of design decision just irks me so much I have trouble letting it go lol...

Actually it's just like with the Moto 360. The whole point of that watch, even the product name states so, is that it's round. How can it then be anywhere near acceptable to shave off a sliver of the watch face so that it's not round anymore...?! The mind boggles.

Similarly the point of the X is to be all screen, which means that they have to remove the home button and come up with another means of unlocking. But then they come up with a method that requires them to put a big ass dent in that beautiful big screen they just made possible...! WTF?! I don't mind how it actually looks so much as the principle... It just feels like the epitome of bad design lol.

Bah there I go again sorry, someone stop me please!
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Yes, I'll absolutely take bezels and a bigger footprint any day. The notch design is an unacceptable solution in my taste and I don't mind a bit of pocket bulge. The S8 phones are a good example - Apple would only need a tiny top and bottom bezel to do away with the notch. So a 18:9 and 5.8" screen phone would still end up way smaller than the 8 Plus.

That's my preference though, not saying anyone who likes the X is wrong for feeling otherwise!
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Oh, and sorry but I have to make this point again: a 5.8" and 18:9 screen is technically larger than a 5.5" and 16:9 screen only in the diagonal and length measures. The 5.8" screen is 2 mm narrower which will make content look smaller in portrait mode, and the screen area is smaller.

Damn these sales tricks making it sound like you're actually getting a bigger screen Partially true, yes, but most content enjoyment/productivity - browsing, taking notes, reading, gaming, watching photos, scanning documents, etc - benefits more from the 16:9 format imo.

I'll accept 18:9 on the Note 8 where the screen is so big overall that it won't be smaller in portrait mode than that of the iPhone Plus models. But for the X (just like the S8), they make it sound like they give you a bigger screen than the iPhone Plus but in a smaller footprint, which essentially just isn't true.

I guess it all depends if your coming from a plus model and want the largest screen you can get, or coming from a smaller phone wanting to keep the compactness but getting as much screen as you can get in that size. As I'm coming from the standard 4.7" iPhone, this will be quite a bit more screen while keeping a very similar size, so I don't mind the notch one bit. Same with my essential phone, came from a 5.1" S7 to a 5.7" bezel less phone with notch, but physically the same size.

 

[Oohara]

I guess it all depends if your coming from a plus model and want the largest screen you can get, or coming from a smaller phone wanting to keep the compactness but getting as much screen as you can get in that size. As I'm coming from the standard 4.7" iPhone, this will be quite a bit more screen while keeping a very similar size, so I don't mind the notch one bit. Same with my essential phone, came from a 5.1" S7 to a 5.7" bezel less phone with notch, but physically the same size.

That's a good point actually, I've always been on big phones and am constantly looking for a bigger screen so I guess this whole thing is likely to be more frustrating for me.

Meanwhile though, just perhaps 5 mm of bottom bezel would have allowed for an undisturbed symmetrical screen of the same dimensions, without increasing the footprint notably. In light of that I do find the aesthetic choice of including the notch unacceptable whichever way you look at it. I accept that that's subjective though.

 

[Puddled]

Excuse me, but what does "all screen" even mean? It's another apple soundbite and it's being flogged hard, but it means nothing. It is actually perhaps one of the worst examples of misleading advertising I have seen from apple to have the buyer believe that the display fills the entire screen. There isn't a phone made which does this.

The iPhone front has a unibrow and thick borders all round. And it may have no physical sharp edges but it's very much not 100% display.

It's this kind of advertising which grinds my gears with apple. A touch too clever for my liking.

 

[Mildredop]

I was genuinely planning on switching back to iPhone from Android.

I loved the look of the S8 but I've held out ready to buy an iPhone, but the iPhone 8 is just the same again (for the fourth year?) and the iPhone X is a fail for me:

- No headphone jack (I know the iPhone 7 didn't have this, but I thought they might bring it back)
- Lower resolution OLED than the S8
- No fast charging without buying even more accessories
- No fingerprint sensor (on the back isn't ideal, but I'd rather it was there than nowhere)
- Face ID. I can think of many situations where Face ID just won't cut it
- No home button. I don't mind no physical button, but I think no home button at all will get frustrating
- But most of all, that notch is unbelievable and something I just can't forgive.

My Samsung S8 which arrives today with a 2yr guarantee. With £200 trade-in for my S7 it's just £489.

 

[Aneres11]

I must admit, I like the look of the iPhone X and I have already been looking at what I can do to try and nab one (A silver one, of course ) but the more I think about it, the more I can't seem to justify the price.

Not only that, but at the end of the day it still runs iOS. Now I like iOS, I have no problems with the day to day useage. It's fast, fluid, smooth and everything works wonderfully.

But over the last 2 years I have really grown to love Android. I love the customisation, I love that we're in a great period with Android at the moment where manufacturers are taking some risks (albeit small ones) such as HTC's edge sense which I think is great, and BlackBerry coming back with a PKB Android device. Note 8 with it's S-Pen, and Essential with its fantastic design. All these companies are pushing the boundaries and it's exciting and it's providing the user with a lot of depth of choice whereas a few years ago, everything was just a plastic touch slab with a different Android layer.

Android is now starting to work fluidly with improved chips and RAM (my XZ Premium performs like a champ) so it makes the decision to buy an iPhone tough as I feel like I'm invested in Android despite owning a MacBook AND AirPods.
I know I will get bored eventually with iOS. I also don't think the lack of fingerprint scanner will thrill me. I tried facial recognition on the S8 and it worked well for the most part, but I like to have a fingerprint reader somewhere.

Tough one. Be interesting to see what Pixel XL 2 looks like before I make any decisions.

 

[Zipster3]

So in other words, no fast charging unless you buy the apple overpriced charger?

Most IPhone/iPad users would of had one of those for years, especially in a office, I have.

 

[epicrayban]

The Pixel 2 announcement is Oct 4th. The last major one for the year.

 

[jamezr]

This is bad design and why FaceID is problematic. If anyone other than me looks at my phone will it require my passcode every time? So anyone that picks up an iphone 10 to admire the phone will automatically be considered as an failed authentication request in FaceID?

While Touch ID locks the iPhone and requires users to input a passcode after five failed entry attempts, Face ID only allows for two failed recognition attempts before it locks the iPhone and requires a passcode to access the device, according to developer

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...fail-onstage-during-iphone-x-keynote.2067191/


FaceID requires two steps to unlock your phone and get to your homescreen
1) hold the phone up for facial recognition/authentication
2) Swipe up
3) You're at your homescreen

Iris scanning on my Note 8 does this in one step
1) hold the phone up for iris recognition/authentication
2) You're at your homescreen

 

[Radon87000]

Hopefully Google won't copy Apple as regards pricing. This iPhone X delay has me second guessing my decision every other day and the pricing doesn't help. Apple should have made it available on the same day as the LCD iPhones.If the Pixel has a bezelless display with an excellent oled panel I might get that and wait for Apple to get their house in order for next year with their oled iPhone. But then there is the problem of getting a good Android wear smart watch.

 

[Zaft]

Exactly. And those examples look just gross. I'm happy for those who like it but man...I literally feel pain in my eyes when I see those pics lol

And a funny thing about the bezels, like someone else mentioned above they don't even look that slim on the X for some reason! Maybe it's that notch that makes them stand out. The S8 line and the Note 8 look way more "bezel free" imo.

I believe that's because the screen curves much more around (on S8) so you don't see the edge from the front.
The X is like the LG G6, both have no curves. The X does have slimmer top and bottom bezels, if you ignore the notch.

 

[jamezr]

Nice side by side comparison
iphone X, V30, iPhone 8 + and Note 8

http://mobiledevicesize.com/compare/#900,886,901,883;1

 

[Zaft]

This is bad design and why FaceID is problematic. If anyone other than me looks at my phone will it require my passcode every time? So anyone that picks up an iphone 10 to admire the phone will automatically be considered as an failed authentication request in FaceID?

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...fail-onstage-during-iphone-x-keynote.2067191/


FaceID requires two steps to unlock your phone and get to your homescreen
1) hold the phone up for facial recognition/authentication
2) Swipe up
3) You're at your homescreen

Iris scanning on my Note 8 does this in one step
1) hold the phone up for iris recognition/authentication
2) You're at your homescreen

I think apple will have an option to unlock right away without swiping. Similarly on how you can rest your finger on the FP scanner to open.

 

[jamezr]

I think apple will have an option to unlock right away without swiping. Similarity on how you can rest your finger on the FP scanner to open.

I am not so sure....why didn't they use that during the demo then? During the keynote they repeatedly said use the 2 steps. Look at your phone for facial scanning then swipe up. Why would they demonstrate the extra step if it was not needed?

 

[Zaft]

I am not so sure....why didn't they use that during the demo then? During the keynote they repeatedly said use the 2 steps. Look at your phone for facial scanning then swipe up. Why would they demonstrate the extra step if it was not needed?

If I remember correctly the rest to open touch ID was added in an update.

So right now that's the process but I can see an update in accessibility that gives this option.

 

[jamezr]

If I remember correctly the rest to open touch ID was added in an update.

So right now that's the process but I can see an update in accessibility that gives this option.

Hopefully they will address that in a software update. But I am not so sure.....this might be the way they designed it.