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MRU

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FaceID requires two steps to unlock your phone and get to your homescreen
1) hold the phone up for facial recognition/authentication
2) Swipe up
3) You're at your homescreen

Iris scanning on my Note 8 does this in one step
1) hold the phone up for iris recognition/authentication
2) You're at your homescreen

You will be able to adjust that in settings just like you can with touch ID. In its default on iOS 10/11 touchid unlocks but doesn't take you directly to home. You have to change that in settings, and this will likely be exactly the same with FaceID.
 

MRU

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I am not so sure....why didn't they use that during the demo then? During the keynote they repeatedly said use the 2 steps. Look at your phone for facial scanning then swipe up. Why would they demonstrate the extra step if it was not needed?
Because that's the default setting. Just like it is now on Touch ID


Edit ... Sorry late to the party, others have already said this
 
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Fernandez21

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This is bad design and why FaceID is problematic. If anyone other than me looks at my phone will it require my passcode every time? So anyone that picks up an iphone 10 to admire the phone will automatically be considered as an failed authentication request in FaceID?

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...fail-onstage-during-iphone-x-keynote.2067191/


FaceID requires two steps to unlock your phone and get to your homescreen
1) hold the phone up for facial recognition/authentication
2) Swipe up
3) You're at your homescreen

Iris scanning on my Note 8 does this in one step
1) hold the phone up for iris recognition/authentication
2) You're at your homescreen
I think it will just stay locked and only do the failed authentication if they actually try unlocking it by sliding up and entering a wrong password.

As for the note, it's different because it has to be more deliberate to unlock. With the Note, you pick your phone up and then line up your eyes with the onscreen mask to unlock. With the iPhone, supposedly it should unlock with you just glancing down at it, so I guess they did it this way so you wouldn't be accidentally unlocking it when your trying to look at a notification. I do hope they have an option in settings to adjust this though.
 
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jamezr

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I think it will just stay locked and only do the failed authentication if they actually try unlocking it by sliding up and entering a wrong password.
That is not the explanation given by Apple in the article I linked on the MR homepage. Apple said too many others handled the phone backstage and so the phone tried to unlock using FaceID. So it failed authentication ans required a passcode.

"People were handling the device for stage demo ahead of time," says a rep, "and didn't realize Face ID was trying to authenticate their face. After failing a number of times, because they weren't Craig,

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/14/apple-face-id-didnt-fail-keynote/
 
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epicrayban

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That can be applied to all manufacturers labels of their own products. "Infinity Display" ... Etc ...

Infinity Display is a name. The more direct comparison to that would be Super Retina Display. Both are fine.

Where, I think, it gets odd is when Apple, and specifically Jony Ive, call the iPhone X screen "all screen," as Jony Ive does in the official Apple iPhone X video.

On a similar note, I agree with those who find the border bezel around the iPhone X oddly thick looking. I prefer the aesthetics of the S8/Note 8 or the V30. I don't mind a little bit of bottom/top bezel if it helps hide sensors and helps make the screen overall more symmetrical.

As I said, though, Apple will happily take all the good and the bad comments about the notch. Everybody is talking about it. Once again, for better or worse, Apple has created what will become an iconic looking smartphone. That notch clearly shows it's an iPhone, just like the home button used to do.
 
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MRU

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Infinity Display is a name. The more direct comparison to that would be Super Retina Display. Both are fine.

Where, I think, it gets odd is when Apple, and specifically Jony Ive, call the iPhone X screen "all screen," as Jony Ive does in the official Apple iPhone X video.

On a similar note, I agree with those who find the border bezel around the iPhone X oddly thick looking. I prefer the aesthetics of the S8/Note 8 or the V30. I don't mind a little bit of bottom/top bezel if it helps hide sensors and helps make the screen overall more symmetrical.

As I said, though, Apple will happily take all the good and the bad comments about the notch. Everybody is talking about it. Once again, for better or worse, Apple has created what will become an iconic looking smartphone. That notch clearly shows it's an iPhone, just like the home button used to do.
In fairness though Samsung also market the S8 with these exact words on their website and marketing literature

*Infinity Display: a bezel-less, full-frontal, edge-to-edge screen

When thats not really true as edge to edge & moreover full-frontal would also include top and bottom bezel but samsung are conveniently ignoring that and applying it slightly liberally in this description.

My point is ... They all milk the truth description wise. But picking up on just apple doing it or arguing one is a name and the other is a description is just arguing semantics as the end result is the same, a small distortion of truth.

e2fea28ce094aa9f97616d8e07172b62.jpg
 

widgeteer

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You will be able to adjust that in settings just like you can with touch ID. In its default on iOS 10/11 touchid unlocks but doesn't take you directly to home. You have to change that in settings, and this will likely be exactly the same with FaceID.

Not to mention the process to use Samsung Pay is identical to Apple Pay now. Which is neither pro nor con, although obviously the previous version of Apple pay with touch ID was faster. Personally I don't notice the added step when using Sammy pay.
[doublepost=1505403047][/doublepost]I think the iPhone X display will become iconic in a short amount of time. This is probably one of the reasons for the cutout being the way it is, Apple wanted to make sure people could differentiate between an iPhone and other phones on the market from the front.

(This is neither a defense or a critique. I want to use the phone daily before I decide I love it, hate it, or am indifferent.)
 
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Zaft

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Infinity Display is a name. The more direct comparison to that would be Super Retina Display. Both are fine.

Where, I think, it gets odd is when Apple, and specifically Jony Ive, call the iPhone X screen "all screen," as Jony Ive does in the official Apple iPhone X video.

On a similar note, I agree with those who find the border bezel around the iPhone X oddly thick looking. I prefer the aesthetics of the S8/Note 8 or the V30. I don't mind a little bit of bottom/top bezel if it helps hide sensors and helps make the screen overall more symmetrical.

As I said, though, Apple will happily take all the good and the bad comments about the notch. Everybody is talking about it. Once again, for better or worse, Apple has created what will become an iconic looking smartphone. That notch clearly shows it's an iPhone, just like the home button used to do.
Its looking more and more like the notch has a reason, its a symbol.

"Apple is turning a design quirk into the iPhone X’s defining feature"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/14/16306244/apple-iphone-x-design-notch
 
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Radon87000

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spinedoc77

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This is bad design and why FaceID is problematic. If anyone other than me looks at my phone will it require my passcode every time? So anyone that picks up an iphone 10 to admire the phone will automatically be considered as an failed authentication request in FaceID?

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...fail-onstage-during-iphone-x-keynote.2067191/


FaceID requires two steps to unlock your phone and get to your homescreen
1) hold the phone up for facial recognition/authentication
2) Swipe up
3) You're at your homescreen

Iris scanning on my Note 8 does this in one step
1) hold the phone up for iris recognition/authentication
2) You're at your homescreen

I'm highly disappointed in the redundancy required with face ID, it's just silly. What used to take me one step with touch ID, now takes 2 steps EVERY single freakin time I open my phone. I can see that getting old very quickly. I'm really surprised Apple is making so many missteps this time around. I know everyone is sick of hearing it, but Jobs would have never allowed this crap.
 
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Zaft

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I'm highly disappointed in the redundancy required with face ID, it's just silly. What used to take me one step with touch ID, now takes 2 steps EVERY single freakin time I open my phone. I can see that getting old very quickly. I'm really surprised Apple is making so many missteps this time around. I know everyone is sick of hearing it, but Jobs would have never allowed this crap.
Its too early to really know for sure until we try it out. Ill wait for the reviews to see how it goes.
 

Puddled

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In fairness though Samsung also market the S8 with these exact words on their website and marketing literature

*Infinity Display: a bezel-less, full-frontal, edge-to-edge screen

When thats not really true as edge to edge & moreover full-frontal would also include top and bottom bezel but samsung are conveniently ignoring that and applying it slightly liberally in this description.

My point is ... They all milk the truth description wise. But picking up on just apple doing it or arguing one is a name and the other is a description is just arguing semantics as the end result is the same, a small distortion of truth.

e2fea28ce094aa9f97616d8e07172b62.jpg


Oh, i think semantics can be thrown at both sides of this argument this to be honest.
However, I think Samsung's term "Full frontal" is a much better description of what apple actually have (rather than what apple say it is).
I do believe that apple are deliberately misleading, rather than just embellishing, the truth here.
Whilst i have come to expect advertising techno babble from apple, this is exceptionally bold.

Caught me by surprise to be honest, and i'm a little disappointed with them for it. Its treating the customer like idiots.
 
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Michael Goff

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The point is making the phone as small as possible and the screen as large as possible. Would you rather have a phone with 5.8" uniform display (no notch), but that is larger due to top and bottom bezels, a 5.5" uniform display in the same size device but with top and bottom bezels, or a 5.8" edge display with a notch but in the smaller body? I would much rather have the notch and a smaller body.

You know who has tiny bezels and no notch? Samsung Galaxy S8 and Note 8.
[doublepost=1505405955][/doublepost]
In fairness though Samsung also market the S8 with these exact words on their website and marketing literature

*Infinity Display: a bezel-less, full-frontal, edge-to-edge screen

When thats not really true as edge to edge & moreover full-frontal would also include top and bottom bezel but samsung are conveniently ignoring that and applying it slightly liberally in this description.

My point is ... They all milk the truth description wise. But picking up on just apple doing it or arguing one is a name and the other is a description is just arguing semantics as the end result is the same, a small distortion of truth.

e2fea28ce094aa9f97616d8e07172b62.jpg

In fairness, Samsung at least goes edge to edge in one direction. The iPhone X just has a bezel on all sides.

Still a lie, but slightly less of a lie.
 

jamezr

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Interesting article on FaceID on Wired

Apple could use FaceID to track consumer patterns at its stores, or develop and sell data to others. It's also possible that police would be able to more easily unlock phones without consent by simply holding an individual’s phone up to his or her face.

And this could in theory make Apple an irresistible target for a new type of mass surveillance order. The government could issue an order to Apple with a set of targets and instructions to scan iPhones, iPads, and Macs to search for specific targets based on FaceID, and then provide the government with those targets’ location based on the GPS data of devices’ that receive a match. Apple has a good record of fighting for user privacy, but there's only so much the company could do if its objections to an order are turned down by the courts. (On Wednesday Sen. Al Franken (D-Minnesota) released a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook, asking how the company will handle the technology's security and private implications.)

https://www.wired.com/story/apples-faceid-could-be-a-powerful-tool-for-mass-spying
 

Zaft

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Is it possible on the S8 to get widgets on the lock screen like IOS? For example on IOS I swipe right on the lock screen and have access to weather, subway information etc.

I’m playing with an unlocked S8 at the store and don’t see any options under face widgets for these.
 

Michael Goff

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But that was entirely my point they are all embellishments regardless. Essentially arguing over the 'greater' fib is pointless as at the end of the day it's still a fib used to eachs benefit marketing wise.

True.

A lie is a lie.
 
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ItnStln

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Is it possible on the S8 to get widgets on the lock screen like IOS? For example on IOS I swipe right on the lock screen and have access to weather, subway information etc.

I’m playing with an unlocked S8 at the store and don’t see any options under face widgets for these.

I think there is because I've seen a phone like that. Perhaps it was a third party lock screen, that I do not know.
 
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