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Epic Games Plans for Alternative App Marketplace in EU as Apple Reinstates Developer Account
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No, I’m not retracting it.
You’re used to installing software on a Mac because that’s how it was designed. It’s as ridiculous as saying iPhone should be like PC because I can install anything from anywhere.
Installing software outside the Apple App Store is a foreign concept. However, it’s mandated by the EU, fine.
But, the onus should not be placed at Apple if some guy in Germany downloaded an app from a third-party store and he can’t get his camera to work anymore.
Onus to do what?
If that somehow happened (which it wouldn't as the normal iOS App sandboxing and feature access restrictions are still in place) ... uninstall the App
There's no App that's going to permanently disable a hardware feature
What are you even talking about?
This is total fear mongering that makes zero sense
It’s not fear mongering.
My point is this: the EU passed their regulation and Apple is abiding by it.
I am saying users are stupid. They will see an app that some social media influencer will talk about, and download it.
If that app does any damage, I don’t think Apple should be liable to fix it because it wasn’t approved by them.
Disagree?
(Disclaimer: I work in IT security and see users fall for things all the time)
Your argument is totally irrelevant. You say that Mac was always like this and app store came in later whilst iPhone had the app store almost from the beginning. So you acknowledge that something came to Mac later but you totally omit the possibility that the same thing can also happen - ie. that Apple will start restricting the Mac to the same model as the iOS.
Do you not see how contradicting you are?
Apple introduced small changes to the system in the past (ie. now you need to enable the option to install outside trusted developers or appstore) so that itself was the step towards the same direction. Now all Apple needs to do is finish the move and remove that option so you can only install from trusted developers and app store. Voila = now what? Will you say the same thing because now you can feel that your mac won't be bricked or infected with malware/viruses or will you change your tune?
People are so shortsighted and cherry pick what they want completely ignoring the rest.
I guess thats human nature to have a bias though.
Well, all it takes is few bad choices and Apple tomorrow won't be like Apple today or Apple yesterday. Hence why we need some form of 'say' to keep things inline.
Do you not see how contradicting you are?
Apple introduced small changes to the system in the past (ie. now you need to enable the option to install outside trusted developers or appstore) so that itself was the step towards the same direction. Now all Apple needs to do is finish the move and remove that option so you can only install from trusted developers and app store. Voila = now what? Will you say the same thing because now you can feel that your mac won't be bricked or infected with malware/viruses or will you change your tune?
People are so shortsighted and cherry pick what they want completely ignoring the rest.
I guess thats human nature to have a bias though.
Well, all it takes is few bad choices and Apple tomorrow won't be like Apple today or Apple yesterday. Hence why we need some form of 'say' to keep things inline.
Same applies to apps for the mac. Your point is invalid as you cherry pick to fit your case. you can't say one thing and ignore the other as if its not a possibility.
Completely disagree, but I’m done. You can’t change my opinion and I can’t change yours. Cheers.
As I said above, completely and vehemently disagree with your opinion. Agree to disagree. Cheers.
Please for the love of god, give me a source or one shred of evidence that this is true. You keep saying the same nonsense and brushing off anybody who tells you otherwise.
I am actually laughing at the idea of somebody going to an Apple store with a phone, either containing malware or being “bricked”, and Apple saying “ah, sorry, we can’t do anything for you because you installed something you shouldn’t have” instead of just plugging it into one of their computers and restoring it.
Apple will just reinstall iOS just like they do when people put the beta on their mobiles & it has a problem
Tbh both @GizmoDVD & @TigerNike23 (and others) have a point. I'm not sure why Apple should be held responsible for a user downloading a dodgy app from some place outside Apple's App store. Shouldn't the owner/propritor of that app store be held liable as they allowed it to be sold?
Apple would not be in this position if they were no so arbitrary in what they approve for the App store.
If the user does so and bricks their device or do whatever stupid thing, it's their problem, and their's only.
Android users are able to do this since heck knows how long, and what?
Apple will add a mile long disclaimer and all's good.
Let stupid people be themselves
Being "locked down" is not the same as being "locked out".
Macs and iPhones are very different devices. There's a ton of open-source software that I install onto my Macs that I would never need on my phones or tablets.
It a developer is reputable, their goods will be approved by Apple.
Locked down is not a problem, as it keeps the riffraff out.
This EU things has been solely about pricing and profits, nothing else.
Epic did not want to pay the 30% commission to Apple. I agree it's too much, but ironically they will pay a lot more building and running their own store.
Why are you saying that the web stores and apps are shady? Are there no other legitimate businesses in your opinion? Do you have a Mac? If so, do you only download apps from the Mac App Store? What a sad way to use a computer that you OWN.
Sure, unless the app does something like locks you out of the phone or makes it so you can't reinstall.
This kind of reasoning will get you nowhere with the people who are defending Apple’s desire to have absolute control over everything.
Having access to billions of customers and only paying 30% is pretty damn good. How much does Apple get when a user downloads Fortnite and does not pay for any skins? $0. What about if all they get is VBUCKS redeems from Target? $0. I wish I could just stroll into Target, pop up a table and start selling stuff with no problems.
Mac has always had the ability to download outside software, iPhone has not.
You've highlighted the problem "will be approved by Apple" - THAT is the whole issue here!
We can't have 'one' guy deciding if its ok or not. As a customer you simply have no choice if the current system stays. You do have the choice on a Mac. Hence - anything that would help go towards the same system as its on the Mac is a good way. EU is not about profit, EU is about customers rights and EU has a lot of great protections in place to do just that. Unlike North America where big corporations dictate.
So right now, its all about profit for Apple.
In the case of App store - is 30% the right fee? If you make $10k/year or $1billion/year?
30% is extortion when a developer goes over certain threshold. Apple provides a service for sure and helps a lot but does that warrant $300mil/year when a developer makes $1billion?
Give customers the option and same for developers and let them decide how things go. Hence what EU is doing whilst corporate Apple is fighting everything to keep their greedy profit for very little work.
We can't have 'one' guy deciding if its ok or not. As a customer you simply have no choice if the current system stays. You do have the choice on a Mac. Hence - anything that would help go towards the same system as its on the Mac is a good way. EU is not about profit, EU is about customers rights and EU has a lot of great protections in place to do just that. Unlike North America where big corporations dictate.
So right now, its all about profit for Apple.
In the case of App store - is 30% the right fee? If you make $10k/year or $1billion/year?
30% is extortion when a developer goes over certain threshold. Apple provides a service for sure and helps a lot but does that warrant $300mil/year when a developer makes $1billion?
Give customers the option and same for developers and let them decide how things go. Hence what EU is doing whilst corporate Apple is fighting everything to keep their greedy profit for very little work.
Registered users mean nothing. I was a registered user in 2019 and never played it again. That's just funny math to pump up a dying game. Kids moved on to Roblox, Minecraft etc. It's still a popular game, but Epic chose to do something to get themselves removed from billions of eyeballs and billions of possible revenue they'll never get back.
Well awesome. Can you go ahead and make a phone, tablet and create an operating system that is front of billions of people? The answer is no, so you pay 30% for that opportunity to sell your app and in-store purchases. Is Target and wal-Mart a charity? Do they pay Nintendo $59.99 got a copy of Zelda and sell it for $59.99?
Who is saying that Apple should have to fix it? Apple and other companies have disclaimers and conditions in their warranties, and this could be addressed that way. There is no reason to keep people from installing software on their own device—other than Apple wanting more money.