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The notebookcheck PWM thing is pretty odd. Does anyone have the regular iPhone Pro? I‘m curious if it actually does have 290hz. But then again, that zollotech guy who said he was no longer experiencing PWM symptoms was using the Pro Max, which apparently still has 245hz, kinda weird.
It has me really confused
 
The notebookcheck PWM thing is pretty odd. Does anyone have the regular iPhone Pro? I‘m curious if it actually does have 290hz. But then again, that zollotech guy who said he was no longer experiencing PWM symptoms was using the Pro Max, which apparently still has 245hz, kinda weird.
Of course it doesn't have a different pwm rate to the pro. I will say it once more. IT IS AN ERROR IN THE ANALYSIS. You can see for yourself. The person or machine that read the Wave length of the oscillation incorrectly took a spike of noise which crossed zero as the true zero crossing. Just look at the graph yourself. It's clear to see what happened. Please stop this now. No it doesn't have 290hz.
 
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Of course it doesn't have a different pwm rate to the pro. I will say it once more. IT IS AN ERROR IN THE ANALYSIS. You can see for yourself. The person or machine that read the Wave length of the oscillation incorrectly took a spike of noise which crossed zero as the true zero crossing. Just look at the graph yourself. It's clear to see what happened. Please stop this now. No it doesn't have 290hz.
So its 245hz then?
 
main point of what I have to say:

I think all the arguing over what these articles are reporting about the hz rating of pwm is kind of moot for a subset of people who have had difficulty with iPhone displays.
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TL/DR long wordy explanation:

I’ve learned to discount the pwm hz value, because for me personally it doesn’t seem to matter the last couple of years since Samsung introduced the refined OLED on the S8 generation.

I can see the subtle flicker on the Pixel 3XL and the S8-Note 10+ displays. On my Pixel 2 it’s actually quite atrocious, yet all it does is make my eyes tired faster and water a little. None of these displays has ever made me suffer from migraines or above average levels of eye strain.

Apple does something unique that has been making some people sick. People who can use other OLED displays.

I haven’t been able to find an article in laymen’s terms to explain exactly what they’re doing. I came across a vague mention once that sounded like they were applying a patented pattern of turning off and on sub pixels in the pentile array. I’m not particularly technically inclined so my interpretation as well as my recollection need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I’m trying to find the damn article again but can’t seem to. Here’s something from a forum discussion that sounds vaguely in the direction of what I am looking for:


Now Samsung has finally made OLED displays that pretty much match everything Apple was trying to do previously with their tweaking. So now Apple continues tweaking to get their new Cinematic standard. Super Retina XDR. It’s on their site. I can’t link to it because it’s part of their annoyingly artsyfartsy shifting interactive presentation.

They do say it’s “Custom OLED with consistent color and brightness, even in the corners.”

So there’s that word “custom” again. They can’t let go of their need to differentiate their Samsung displays from the displays everyone else is content to buy untweaked from Samsung.

I do have a Note 10+ to compare to my 11 Pro. The display on my 11 Pro does seem more uniform and text looks like it’s ink printed on paper. Credit where credit is due: There is just a hair or two of visible aesthetic quality above that of the native Samsung display.

Theoretically it should be wonderful for everyone to look at and easy on the eyes.

But clearly for enough people there’s still an underlying flicker that bothers the nervous system.

As I said before on this thread, vision is not just about the eyes alone, but the eyes working in tandem with the brain. If the display is going to irritate your brain then it doesn’t matter how nice it looks, it’s going to wreak havoc on your vision. Not in a “gonna make you blind” way, as so far according to my ophthalmologist my eyes have been healthy. But it will give you watery eyes and migraine symptoms if you’re sensitive to whatever “IT” is that Apple uniquely applies to OLED.

I do suppose, accounting for the variable nature of human physiology, there are unfortunately still plenty of people out there sensitive to pwm itself and all OLED displays are out of the question.
 
I got my iPhone X on launch day. Suffered fr on really bad headaches, eye strain and felt dizzy after literally 5 min of use. Went to numerous doctors and had various tests over a period of about 4-5 months. One night I was on google and read about the issues with OLED displays on the iPhone X. Got an iPhone 8 Plus the next days and within two days or so I felt fantastic! When the XS launched I tried it for a few hours but once again felt terrible. Didn’t even bother trying the new 11 pro. I do wonder though... what about the regular 11? Considering getting the regular iPhone 11 as an upgrade from my 8 plus. Been reading mixed reviews regarding eye strain issues on the regular 11 despite the LCD screen it uses.
 
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I still wouldn’t completely rule out the safety implications of FaceID. I had an iPhone XR briefly and didn’t use it enough to be able to isolate whether FaceID contributes to sensitivity. I’ll most likely wait until next year for a redesigned model before buying another new iPhone.
 
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Considering getting the regular iPhone 11 as an upgrade from my 8 plus. Been reading mixed reviews regarding eye strain issues on the regular 11 despite the LCD screen it uses.
Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about it. The vast majority of people are totally fine with the XR/11 screen, it’s just a small minority of people who are having issues. It basically just feels like your eyes get tired very quickly and you‘ll get a headache, you’ll definitely know within a few hours of use if it’s right for you or not. If you can use the 11 with no issues, then it’s a great screen despite the lower PPI than the 8+.
 
If they’re getting rid of LCD options they really need to address this on OLED otherwise they’ll be isolating consumers.
Yeah , some sources said that 2020 iphones will be all OLED and that would be horrible for alot of people unless they fix their screens or higher the pwm +500hz
 
Apple isn't going to change what they are doing. Those of us who are sensitive to OLED are a miniscule amount of people. Changing the display in a way to suit us will most likely not be cost effective. I'm not holding my breath, but I will still follow up with them. They are doing just fine without us, so I don't see anything happening.
 
So I finally get the 11 Pro today (5,8) and I have been using it for an hour to setup everything; in a dark room with brightness really low (under the sun icon).

No eye strain or headaches so far, sometimes I feel a little sensation like dry eyes; blinking a few times seems to solve the situation.

But... I think LCD is nicer to my eyes, the 11 feels better and the 8 even better than the 11...

These is not my normal use... I don´t watch movies / videos, read or play. Just email, chat and of course the main reason of the phone: take pictures.

I´ll test it for a few days with more intense use than normal and make the decision.

Just for the record, I can´t stand at the X or XS, the headaches appear in a few seconds... something is different on the 11 Pro.

I like the OLED, watched some HDR videos and the difference with the 11 is abysmal.

I like a lot better the size, is just 7 mm lower and 0,4 mm narrower than the 11; but for me, makes a hugh difference.

Color: Gold... mmm I prefer space grey but is out of stock until november.

Storage: I like the 11´s 128 option; the 64 of the Pro feels a little tight, but the 256 jump is too much money for me... I jumped from the 11 to the Pro, and now another jump to 256, too much.
 
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Apple isn't going to change what they are doing. Those of us who are sensitive to OLED are a miniscule amount of people. Changing the display in a way to suit us will most likely not be cost effective. I'm not holding my breath, but I will still follow up with them. They are doing just fine without us, so I don't see anything happening.
I’m still holding out for DC Dimming as an accessibility option.
 
So I finally get the 11 Pro today (5,8) and I have been using it for an hour to setup everything; in a dark room with brightness really low (under the sun icon).
I've been waiting for your experience ..
it's great that you didn't get headache but did you face any nausea ?
 
I've been waiting for your experience ..
it's great that you didn't get headache but did you face any nausea ?

Hey! No, no nausea at all.
This year Oled is OK but not great (for me).

The 11’s LCD is way easier on my eyes. Is like the oled is in the limit, I can use it but something is there giving me some weird sensation (dry eyes, playing with my sight, sometimes like I have to refocus when reading).

Videos on 4k hdr look amazing but I don’t watch 4k hdr on my normal day use. Just do it today to test the oled experience.

I don’t know, is a 1000 dls phone, it has to be near perfect at least.

The 11 is 250 dls cheaper and has 128 storage plus 2 of the 3 cameras (telephoto is not a must for me).

What I most use is portrait and night mode, and the 11 gives the same experience as the Pro.

But the size is way better on the 5,8...
 
Has anyone got an update on if the 11 or 11Pro continue to fire IR light at you even if you've disabled Face ID and all the attention awareness features? The X/Xs/Xr unfortunately did and was hoping they changed this rather pointless thing...
 
Has anyone got an update on if the 11 or 11Pro continue to fire IR light at you even if you've disabled Face ID and all the attention awareness features? The X/Xs/Xr unfortunately did and was hoping they changed this rather pointless thing...

The only IR the XR is emitting with attention aware features off is the initial unlock and then the very weak proximity sensor. The dot projector and flood does not come on after initial unlock with attention aware features off unless using a feature requiring the system, like unlocking an app, confirming a purchase or using animoji.
 
I’m still holding out for DC Dimming as an accessibility option.
Same here... I feel like you can kind of do this now. Set phone to 100% brightness and then use reduce white point. It would be nice if somebody could do this and test it out to confirm there’s no PWM. I have no way to measure this or I would try it.

That being said I have found myself interested in OnePlus devices due to the DC dimming option. Really considering the 7T which releases on October 18th.
 
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Don't see it happening. It would be like Apple admitting there was an issue with the display.
There are quite a few phones that already have DC Dimming. If more and more companies start adding it (Like Google or Samsung), I definitely think Apple would follow. Not adding it because it would make them look bad would be a pretty bad look, considering these OLED screens clearly have an issue with PWM.

Set phone to 100% brightness and then use reduce white point. It would be nice if somebody could do this and test it out to confirm there’s no PWM
I’ve checked, there’s unfortunately still flickering at 100% and I had the same symptoms as usual.
 
The only IR the XR is emitting with attention aware features off is the initial unlock and then the very weak proximity sensor. The dot projector and flood does not come on after initial unlock with attention aware features off unless using a feature requiring the system, like unlocking an app, confirming a purchase or using animoji.
That wasn’t my experience, when I had all those features turned off the Xr was still continually flashing IR light for absolutely no reason but at a lesser frequent interval. If you just left it on the home screen and recorded it you could see the continual irrelevant flash.

Seeing as the only other differences between the Xr and the 6/7/8 were more in industrial design, I figured that must have been the issue bothering my eyes as the display tech, etc were the same as the 8...

I’m wondering if they’ve changed this with this years 11/11 Pro.
 
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