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From Apple Support: sorry, Its not Push..no fix comings
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Agreed (and thanks for replying), I suspect because everyone is getting irate over the wording about Push this is getting missed.
Oh nice reading there, Chomsky!
Don't try (and fail) to analyse the semantics of what I wrote unless you're going to do it properly. Yes, the Keynote did imply that changing a contact or event on one device would lead to it being instantly pushed to all devices; yes that implication is a blatant deception. Of course an implication can be "brazenly obvious; flagrant" to quote the OED.Err, you mean inferred, don't you.
Anyway the point is, if you had bothered to read what I posted you'd see we basically agree, Apple haven't technically lied....but they have used ambiguous phrasing so that people jump to the wrong conclusion about the "instant" nature of calendar events appearing on all devices. The thing is that Apple should have made it explicit that for instant updates you would have to use the me.com web apps rather than the native apps.
They are back up. Sorry. Here, I attached it for you. Everyone WRITE APPLE and tell them how you feel!!!!!!
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Um yeah but then why does Apple's website say MobileMe "pushes info UP to the cloud" when you make a change "in one place"? It's not the up or down (that you have so helpfully bolded in your post), or "sync" vs "push" (as they are now using them interchangeably), it's the fact that "in one place" should say "on the me.com website, not on the native apps on your mac, you know, the ones we've been claiming to work with mobileme"...
Wrong. Virtually all IMAP servers these days support IMAP IDLE, which Leopard's Mail.app understands. And that _is_ push email.
And the MobileMe email is also just IMAP w/ IDLE, that's why it "pushes" fine in all situations, unlike calendars etc.
And no, having to use the stupid web apps is not what you pay 99 bucks for. Grow up, people. Even Apple comes up with crap every now and then (this case would be one of them)
They also deleted everything about the iDisk sharing feature from their site. The screenshots don't show the button anymore, and the part about sharing has been cut out of the video.
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Bad Apple
I think that Apple have behaved appallingly.
If the push service is now a synch service they should not be changing the ads without official clarification of why they have done so.
It's underhand behaviour and an extremely bad public relations exercise.
On the other hand, what do you expect from a large multi-national such as Apple? They might project themselves as hip and trendy, and might claim that they 'Think different'. However, the reality is that they behave just like any other company with share-holders and stock prices and enormous publicity machines. They'll do what they have to do to make money. Just don't be too surprised by this.
I think that Apple have behaved appallingly.
If the push service is now a synch service they should not be changing the ads without official clarification of why they have done so.
It's underhand behaviour and an extremely bad public relations exercise.
On the other hand, what do you expect from a large multi-national such as Apple? They might project themselves as hip and trendy, and might claim that they 'Think different'. However, the reality is that they behave just like any other company with share-holders and stock prices and enormous publicity machines. They'll do what they have to do to make money. Just don't be too surprised by this.
They could just be removing stuff to avoid further confusion to new customers. Apple must know in this day and age that screenshots would have been taken and people would notice the changes.
Perhaps later we'll see the initial features that were offered implemented.
I for one would like to see Apple issue some sort of statement so we can all understand what's going on. The longer they don't the more suspicious people will become that something is afoot!
Perhaps later we'll see the initial features that were offered implemented.
I for one would like to see Apple issue some sort of statement so we can all understand what's going on. The longer they don't the more suspicious people will become that something is afoot!
One more thing
As it was Steve Jobs who stood on the keynote podium and wowed us all with Apple's brilliant new push service, I'd like to see Steve Jobs return to that podium and tell us why he misled us all. And why we are now all left with 'Exchange that doesn't work for the rest of us'.
It's the decent thing to do but it ain't going to happen. It really would be a reality distortion field.
As it was Steve Jobs who stood on the keynote podium and wowed us all with Apple's brilliant new push service, I'd like to see Steve Jobs return to that podium and tell us why he misled us all. And why we are now all left with 'Exchange that doesn't work for the rest of us'.
It's the decent thing to do but it ain't going to happen. It really would be a reality distortion field.
Actually I think this is why Jobs got Phil Schiller to do the MobileMe demo…
Remember his little "ActiveStink" joke? Not quite so funny now… is it…?
Oh I agree!
Except the weather would probably be a lot worse… what with Hell freezing over and all…
Totally Misled
This is clearly unacceptable. I've joined this site to voice my opinion on this issue and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
The advertising was terrible... There was the clear demonstration in the video of an email being pushed to an imac by the cloud... We now know mail.app doesn't even support push email!
We were told:
"When you make a change in one place, MobileMe PUSHES the new information UP to the cloud..."
and then we hear the whole push/sync 'revelation'.
One persons response on the official Apple discussion forums sums it up brilliantly:
"You are kidding I hope! And if you are... It's not a good joke at all!!"
Clearly, everyone has been totally misled. Of course, Apple have not lied, but have misled people big time and by editing their own adverts are pretty much admitting it.
This is NOT 'exchange for the rest of us'. It's good on it's own, but it's a half-baked exchange.
This is clearly unacceptable. I've joined this site to voice my opinion on this issue and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
The advertising was terrible... There was the clear demonstration in the video of an email being pushed to an imac by the cloud... We now know mail.app doesn't even support push email!
We were told:
"When you make a change in one place, MobileMe PUSHES the new information UP to the cloud..."
and then we hear the whole push/sync 'revelation'.
One persons response on the official Apple discussion forums sums it up brilliantly:
"You are kidding I hope! And if you are... It's not a good joke at all!!"
Clearly, everyone has been totally misled. Of course, Apple have not lied, but have misled people big time and by editing their own adverts are pretty much admitting it.
This is NOT 'exchange for the rest of us'. It's good on it's own, but it's a half-baked exchange.
Calm down a little mate. I get that you're irritated....and thanks for the images....but stress isn't good for ya.
After seeing that screenshot comparison, I am absolutely furious.
I've been had. I bought MobileMe for so many reasons, many which had been taken away. Wheres the file sharing? Where's my birthday calendars on my iPhone? Where's my desktop sync? Where's my money?
I've been had. I bought MobileMe for so many reasons, many which had been taken away. Wheres the file sharing? Where's my birthday calendars on my iPhone? Where's my desktop sync? Where's my money?
All they have to do is do an update so every-time you change mail/ical on the mac it updates. Technically the wording from apple is correct. Going from iphone-mac it does sync straight away. Its juts going from mac-iphone it has to wait for the next sync (min 15 mins). This is the thing that needs to be changed on an 10.5 update. Until then we have to make sure we set the mac to manual sync and make sure we sync before shutting down the mac!
Not great, but maybe they'll sort it out. So far (and im yet to get my iphone, im liking it. Its a bit slow sometimes, and occasionally loses sync with the mail server, but it'll get better.
Not great, but maybe they'll sort it out. So far (and im yet to get my iphone, im liking it. Its a bit slow sometimes, and occasionally loses sync with the mail server, but it'll get better.
If this doesn't prove we were right that Apple either screwed up or misled us, I don't know what will. I am tired of people defending Apple on this issue, they screwed up, and this proves it.
This isn't the first time they've advertised a feature and taken it away at the last minute though... Remember the 'officially supported' time machine via AEBS that was advertised and pulled hardly a week before Leopard dropped?
They got some 'splainin to do...
They got some 'splainin to do...
No, unfortuantely it proves that some of you that have comprehension issues need an excessive amount of hand-holding and coddling.
Just because the "majority" here on Macrumors mis-understood doesn't mean Apple was wrong or purposely tried to mislead you. The majority of people in America also believe in superstitions and fairy tales (a.k.a. Christianity) and tend to follow the rest of the mindless herd when voting in politics. So it's no surprise that people here read into things how they want to instead of how they actual are; and are now jumping on the "Down with Apple" bandwagon.
i really can't believe that people are defending apple on this one...
having watched the keynote, the product they shipped does not resemble the one promised.
all those people defending apples "wording" on their websites, and stating "apple has done nothing wrong, they shipped what they promised" need a decent dose of reality.
c'mon people. it was sneaky. at the moment mobileme is bull$^%t.
however i do beleive that apple will fix this situation asap.
having watched the keynote, the product they shipped does not resemble the one promised.
all those people defending apples "wording" on their websites, and stating "apple has done nothing wrong, they shipped what they promised" need a decent dose of reality.
c'mon people. it was sneaky. at the moment mobileme is bull$^%t.
however i do beleive that apple will fix this situation asap.
I don't have .Mac or MobileMe, so I have no personal reason to be outraged, but...this is outrageous. It seems pretty clear cut from what I've read here, and their apparent website publicity changes. Indeed, shame on them, I only wish all those that bought it would demand a full refund. Of course 99% of you won't, and Apple will carry on doing as they please
Someone getting away with such blatant bull**** sucks.
Someone getting away with such blatant bull**** sucks.