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How long does it take for a new battery to calibrate to full capacity?
Do modern smartphone batteries really need to be calibrated these days ? I thought the general rule was that it merely takes a few days for your device and usage to settle before you get a realistic battery usage figure.
 

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Do modern smartphone batteries really need to be calibrated these days ? I thought the general rule was that it merely takes a few days for your device and usage to settle before you get a realistic battery usage figure.

Possibly since batteries give out so quick, especially in unibody devices.
 
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Possibly since batteries give out so quick, especially in unibody devices.
I guess it would be same process then, charge to 100% and use until it depletes to 0% and turns off, and then fully charge back to 100%. I honestly haven't done that in years on my phones, but then I never hold onto them long enough to have issues I guess.
 
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Yes okay i will give you that. Although the situation if the device is water resistant is negated. I lost an iPhone and an iPad to water damage before. You can say it was my fault and it may well have been but why would you not want a device to be water resistant?

I'm indifferent to this feature. Since mobile phones became a thing i have never had issues with water damage. Return for most people is non-existand, but feature cost is great and is not a guarantee that water resistance will not fail at some point then good luck arguing that you used it according to specification.
 

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I'm indifferent to this feature. Since mobile phones became a thing i have never had issues with water damage. Return for most people is non-existand, but feature cost is great and is not a guarantee that water resistance will not fail at some point then good luck arguing that you used it according to specification.

Okay well other people like it so I don't see the problem with it. Some of us have jobs that this feature as actually useful. For a feature you claim to be indifferent to you seem to feel it is important enough to post about several times. You also go further to say it could fail at some point but your previous assertion is that such events are so rare that it is negligible. Water resistance isn't so you can dunk your phone over and over for fun. Some of us have actual uses for it.
 
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Okay well other people like it so I don't see the problem with it. Some of us have jobs that this feature as actually useful. For a feature you claim to be indifferent to you seem to feel it is important enough to post about several times. You also go further to say it could fail at some point but your previous assertion is that such events are so rare that it is negligible. Water resistance isn't so you can dunk your phone over and over for fun. Some of us have actual uses for it.

All it does is encourage negligence and costs money since it's useless to 99.9% of customers. If it wasn't useless to most every phone would be water resistant, but it's not the case.

I'm just wondering when you people are going to see reason.
 

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All it does is encourage negligence and costs money since it's useless to 99.9% of customers. If it wasn't useless to most every phone would be water resistant, but it's not the case.

I'm just wondering when you people are going to see reason.

Probably because your argument isn't reasonable. Anyway I am done debating this and Apple (Apple doesn't advertise it either because their system isn't good enough or to avoid abuse) and Samsung both make water resistant phones anyway. So somebody there sees the reason in it.
 

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Probably because your argument isn't reasonable. Anyway I am done debating this and Apple (Apple doesn't advertise it either because their system isn't good enough or to avoid abuse) and Samsung both make water resistant phones anyway. So somebody there sees the reason in it.

As i said before phones breaking on pavement is a daily occurrence and is a much bigger issue than water. This is not opinion, this is a fact - unless you have data that proves otherwise. There is minority in many areas of technology that finds something to be useful so what.

In any case i'd rather get insurance than put my faith in water resistance.
 

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As i said before phones breaking on pavement is a daily occurrence and is a much bigger issue than water. This is not opinion, this is a fact - unless you have data that proves otherwise. There is minority in many areas of technology that finds something to be useful so what.

In any case i'd rather get insurance than put my faith in water resistance.
I don't understand all your negativity towards waterproofing. You comparison to dropping is a strawman argument.
Water damage is the first thing companies check for when someone is requesting service for their phones. Why would you NOT want the extra protection on a phone? Why not have the extra feature?

Then if you are concerned about your phone's surviving being dropped....... which phone do you own? I am not sure other than the Galaxy Active or one of the Motorola phones.....that ANY phone on the market will survive being dropped and not get a lot of damage.
 
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I don't understand all your negativity towards waterproofing. You comparison to dropping is a strawman argument.
Water damage is the first thing companies check for when someone is requesting service for their phones. Why would you NOT want the extra protection on a phone? Why not have the extra feature?

Then if you are concerned about your phone's surviving being dropped....... which phone do you own? I am not sure other than the Galaxy Active or one of the Motorola phones.....that ANY phone on the market will survive being dropped and not get a lot of damage.
If your not paying an extra premium - it's just there as standard, I don't see how waterproofing could ever be seen as a negative tbh.

If waterproofing encourages negligence / complicity, the same could be said for insurance too.

Personally whilst I wouldn't buy a phone just because it's waterproof, neither would I have any complaint if as a bonus it was.
 

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If your not paying an extra premium - it's just there as standard, I don't see how waterproofing could ever be seen as a negative tbh.

If waterproofing encourages negligence / complicity, the same could be said for insurance too.

Personally whilst I wouldn't buy a phone just because it's waterproof, neither would I have any complaint if as a bonus it was.

Resistant, not waterproof. 1.5 meters for up to 30 minutes. How are you going to proof that it wasn't deeper than 1.5 meters? It's a useless gimmick.
 

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Resistant, not waterproof. 1.5 meters for up to 30 minutes. How are you going to proof that it wasn't deeper than 1.5 meters? It's a useless gimmick.

I imagine most phones that do get water damaged are falling into sinks / baths and toilets ... So 1.5 meters for 30 minutes should cover most accidental water accidents. I don't see how it's useless ? I've never dropped my phone into water, but it doesn't mean it will never happen. If it has an extra level of protection should that eventuality occur and it's not costing me anything extra then how is it a gimmick ?

Heart rate reader or iris scanner are imho gimmicks, but anything that adds a modicum more protection I think is a good thing.
 
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I imagine most phones that do get water damaged are falling into sinks / baths and toilets ... So 1.5 meters for 30 minutes should cover most accidental water accidents. I don't see how it's useless ? I've never dropped my phone into water, but it doesn't mean it will never happen. If it has an extra level of protection should that eventuality occur and it's not costing me anything extra then how is it a gimmick ?

By definition. And please explain to me if it fails under the specified resistance rating (and it can) how are you going to prove that you didn't violate the terms? Assuming phone is still under standard warranty.


gimmick |ˈɡɪmɪk| noun
a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade.
 

MRU

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By definition. And please explain to me if it fails under the specified resistance rating (and it can) how are you going to prove that you didn't violate the terms? Assuming phone is still under standard warranty.

So your argument is based on the assumption/contingent that you would be turned down for warranty if it failed when it came into contact with water?

That's something to be addressed by the manufacturer of the device and I ask simply do you have any evidence to prove this is actually what is currently happening ? If you have no evidence that these devices are being refused warranty because of water damage you have no argument.
 
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So your argument is based on the assumption : contingent that you would be turned down for warranty if it failed ? That's something to be addressed by the manufacturer and do you have any evidence to prove this is actually happening ? If you have no evidence that these devices are being refused warranty because of water damage you have no argument.

So keeping long story short is that you have no way of proving that your device wasn't deeper than 1.5 meters for up to 30 minutes. Inside the S7 there are couple moisture stickers. One is near a sim tray and one is on the speaker. They will pop the tray out look at the sticker to see if it's purple and if it is they will assume it wasn't used according to specification. There is no other way to prove you didn't misuse it.
Also, while the buttons and SIM tray are protected by gaskets and seals, remember that over time these can wear or get damaged by dirt and debris, which in turn can dramatically reduce the water resistance of the device.
The lack of a water repellant coating on the circuit boards, along with the moisture-detecting stickers, is also worrying to me. If water gets inside the device, then the consequences (all of which are bad) of that are all your problem.

So in the end you are playing with a bunch of what ifs and should haves, would haves and could haves.

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Also no one will follow THESE, because no one will bother to look it up. So yeah it's a GIMMICK.
 

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So keeping long story short is that you have no way of proving that your device wasn't deeper than 1.5 meters for up to 30 minutes. Inside the S7 there are couple moisture stickers. One is near a sim tray and one is on the speaker. They will pop the tray out look at the sticker to see if it's purple and if it is they will assume it wasn't used according to specification. There is no other way to prove you didn't misuse it.
Also, while the buttons and SIM tray are protected by gaskets and seals, remember that over time these can wear or get damaged by dirt and debris, which in turn can dramatically reduce the water resistance of the device.
The lack of a water repellant coating on the circuit boards, along with the moisture-detecting stickers, is also worrying to me. If water gets inside the device, then the consequences (all of which are bad) of that are all your problem.

So in the end you are playing with a bunch of what ifs and should haves, would haves and could haves.



Also no one will follow THESE, because no one will bother to look it up. So yeah it's a GIMMICK.


So there have been a LOT of people in this thread who have posted how much they have used the water proofing feature on the S7/Edge. That disproves the gimmick part of your position. I have posted an underwater video. I have pictures of my 8 year old underwater that I will cherish forever. My S7 edge still works as new.

Most of the people that will benefit from the waterproofing on the S7/edge will be of the accidental kind. Where they dropped their phone is some kind of water...or had water spilled on it.

I don't understand how a feature people use can be a gimmick only because you can't prove the IP68 certification IF you ever needed warranty service?

But turn it around.....they can't prove that you did violate the 1.5 meters for less than 30 minutes either.....
 
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So keeping long story short is that you have no way of proving that your device wasn't deeper than 1.5 meters for up to 30 minutes. Inside the S7 there are couple moisture stickers. One is near a sim tray and one is on the speaker. They will pop the tray out look at the sticker to see if it's purple and if it is they will assume it wasn't used according to specification. There is no other way to prove you didn't misuse it.
Also, while the buttons and SIM tray are protected by gaskets and seals, remember that over time these can wear or get damaged by dirt and debris, which in turn can dramatically reduce the water resistance of the device.
The lack of a water repellant coating on the circuit boards, along with the moisture-detecting stickers, is also worrying to me. If water gets inside the device, then the consequences (all of which are bad) of that are all your problem.

So in the end you are playing with a bunch of what ifs and should haves, would haves and could haves.

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Also no one will follow THESE, because no one will bother to look it up. So yeah it's a GIMMICK.

You still are not answering the question. Do you have any evidence or proof that devices are being turned down because of water damage ?
 
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I've had to take off my glass screen protector. I was having trouble typing on the screen and accessing the recent apps button. Much better without it.

Yeah that was the issues i had with the curved glass screen protectors. The tpu ones by Zagg do at least have less issues in that sense, but they have a spongey rubbery feel that i really dislike. The biggest issue for me however is screen protector and gear VR working together, even the tpu one began lifting because the connector to the gesr VR is just so tight. In the end i just gave up with the screen protector but was then too paranoid to use it outdoors as i am on the beach 3 times a day and my pockets, car etc .. Collect sand and even the smallest grain and a bit of fricton can cause scratches. Probably not an issue for vast majority of people, but just not a good fit in my lifestyle.
 
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I've had to take off my glass screen protector. I was having trouble typing on the screen and accessing the recent apps button. Much better without it.
That's the problem with curved screens...screen protector technology hasn't caught up yet. I haven't found one that works right with my S7e.
 
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If your not paying an extra premium - it's just there as standard, I don't see how waterproofing could ever be seen as a negative tbh.

If waterproofing encourages negligence / complicity, the same could be said for insurance too.

Personally whilst I wouldn't buy a phone just because it's waterproof, neither would I have any complaint if as a bonus it was.

Precisely. The same could be said for many things. Gorilla Glass, for one.

His argument is pretty unintelligible.


[doublepost=1470011022][/doublepost]I love being able to rinse my s7 edge anytime it gets dirty. Very convenient that I can pick up my device even if my hands are dirty from cooking or anything.

Likewise, I'm not ever worried if someone should set a beer or drink down next to my phone at a house party.

These are great worry-free conveniences.
 
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Woo! Got my Gold S7E (Dual Sim card, international version) yesterday afternoon and transferred everything (messages, photos, contacts, etc.) from my iPhone to the S7E using Samsung Switch. Used Wazzap Migrator to convert my iOS WhatsApp stuff (and media!), and everything was perfect.

Flashed the UAE CSC firmware and sideloaded Samsung Pay and it works beautifully. Definitely pleased with this phone. The fingerprint reader isn't working as great as Touch ID (at least for me) since sometimes (depending on the orientation of my finger) it doesn't read. I also bought the wireless charging stand and it's just awesome.
 
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MRU

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Woo! Got my Gold S7E (Dual Sim card, international version) yesterday afternoon and transferred everything (messages, photos, contacts, etc.) from my iPhone to the S7E using Samsung Switch. Used Wazzap Migrator to convert my iOS WhatsApp stuff (and media!), and everything was perfect.

Flashed the UAE CSC firmware and sideloaded Samsung Pay and it works beautifully. Definitely pleased with this phone. The fingerprint reader isn't working as great as Touch ID (at least for me) since sometimes (depending on the orientation of my finger) it doesn't read. I also bought the wireless charging stand and it's just awesome.

Cool. No issues flashing the UAE CSC firmware on the dual sim version ?

I was thinking of flashing the UK / Ireland BTU firmware on my white dual sim S7 when it arrives but was unsure if it's safe to do do over the dual sim version.
 
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Cool. No issues flashing the UAE CSC firmware on the dual sim version ?

I was thinking of flashing the UK / Ireland BTU firmware on my white dual sim S7 when it arrives but was unsure if it's safe to do do over the dual sim version.
Nope, everything works great.

You can flash official "F" firmware on "FD" models, it's fine. The firmware is the entirely the same, minus the FD just being for dual sim cards. Nonetheless, sim card management shows up in settings in the "F" firmware (after flashing on the dual sim phone), so it's all good. A bunch of other people on XDA have flashed "F" firmware on "FD" models as well.
 
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