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MindsEye

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I wouldn't be too worried about Bigsby tbh. It's going to be first gen offering, so it will have numerous flaws. We can't expect Samsung to do well in the software department because they architected S-Voice. Samsung Pay was hacked before as well. Touchwiz is still having the sweep under the rug effect MRU described before. It's ironic how Tizen is doing in terms of resource efficiency vs our TW Android stock ROMs. If Samsung built TW from the ground up again between the S7 release and now, imagine how good it can be? People are saying TW Nougat is good right now, but imagine if they made it even more leaner than we can reasonably anticipate?

Idk if the battery will be smaller because they might need bigger ones for a 6.2" display (that seems to be the Plus model.) There isn't going to be a flat design anymore because the Note 7 released with dual edge screens with better ergonomics.

It's hard to improve such a tremendous camera as it is, but it will be better, but it depends how much you value smartphone photography and video capture.

RAM, sadly will be 4GB for the entry level, which makes me sad because I wanted 6GB for the TW rug sweeping. The OP3's 6GB makes app refreshing a lot more smoother post-update. Similar design, yep. But it will less bezel, include that rear FP scanner/front facing Iris scanner. New Exynos chip isn't going to make your phone obsolete.

Don't forget that your screen won't be the best in class anymore since Samsung will put an HDR QHD screen out at the very least. I am not too sure about any hidden features that we might not expect here.

The difference between the S6 and S7 was more of a polish than a S5 to S6 jump: IP67 rating, 1GB of RAM more, return to Snapdragon/Exynos splits based off region, dual edged screens on a bigger model, cleaner software with minimized color choices, better screen, slightly slimmer profile, better battery, Always on Display, etc.

If cost is a major factor, then the S7 Edge is a better get. Let me break it down on how it would work for me then let us know if I was close to what you were experiencing? So say if I spent $450 USD on a refurbished S7 Edge or $550 for a new S7 Edge? The S7 Edge prices were about $780 at release. So let's say it increases to $850 because of more memory (64gb/6gb RAM) along with a bigger screen? Is that $300 USD + taxes going to be worth the additional 2GB of RAM, better camera, slightly improved Nougat Grace UX rom, Iris Scanner, bigger screen with HDR, less bezels, rear FP scanner that's probably likely to be always on like, expanded privacy features, USB Type C connector, Bigsby, and a desktop mode?

Chances are probably not because let's face it, the latest and greatest has piqued into jazzing up stuff and it not making a huge difference. $300 extra could mean more renovations to a house, a nice gift for a family member, a small vacation within your geographical area, paying some additional bills faster, investing into a few shares of stock or in safer money market accounts, etc. Hope you enjoy your new purchase!

Thanks, yeah cost is a major factor in a sense that i feel the cost for flagships are really starting to spiral out of control and we're not far off from 1k+ being the norm for the highest config. With Apple rumoured to be releasing upgrades to the 7 and 7 plus along side the OLED 8 that reality could be sooner rather than later.

My limit is £700 which i'll admit is already about £200 too high but in this case, for just under that, i got a phone with 128GB on board storage + a MicroSD slot. Unlike the US and other markets, over here its incredibly rare to find a phone thats at least 5.5" and has 64GB storage + the card slot so i jumped on this. On each of my last phones including my 64GB iPhone 6 Plus, storage is always the first and typically only wall i hit so i wanted to make sure i get something that can take me as far as possible in that regard.

The One Plus 3T gives the best value for money but outside of that and the ZTE Axon 7, This was next in line. Other than design, display, storage and camera , the after sales support was what made go for this. As you mentioned, there doesn't seem to be anything on the S8 that i could justify spending more on over the S7 edge. Outside of design which if recent leaks are to go by, i prefer on the S7, the SOC is most likely the only noteworthy upgrade which is unlikely to be evident until a few years from now.
 
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JaySoul

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My wife's S7 got Nougat a month ago.

My S7 Edge still doesn't have it!!

*grumble grumble*
 
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Roadstar

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A technical question ahead, hope someone can help.

I tried to switch my S7E to the BTU firmware as the NEE variant still doesn't have Nougat and it's also stuck on December security updates as I guess January ones require Nougat. However, even though I flashed the BTU ROM with CSC_OXA instead of Home_CSC and wiped cache, I'm still on NEE and can't get any OTA updates. Is there a way to change CSC without root?
 

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A technical question ahead, hope someone can help.

I tried to switch my S7E to the BTU firmware as the NEE variant still doesn't have Nougat and it's also stuck on December security updates as I guess January ones require Nougat. However, even though I flashed the BTU ROM with CSC_OXA instead of Home_CSC and wiped cache, I'm still on NEE and can't get any OTA updates. Is there a way to change CSC without root?
Normally what I do to guarantee CSC change, is after flashing the firmware, i immediately instead of setting up, i go back into recovery, wipe cache partition, then factory restore (which re-installs the os on top again) and finally after reboot, go back and check recovery to see if CSC has been updated, if not wipe cache partition once more.
 
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Normally what I do to guarantee CSC change, is after flashing the firmware, i immediately instead of setting up, i go back into recovery, wipe cache partition, then factory restore (which re-installs the os on top again) and finally after reboot, go back and check recovery to see if CSC has been updated, if not wipe cache partition once more.

How can I shut down the phone from the download mode if I deselect automatic reboot in Odin? I tried doing that, but ended up accidentally rebooting without getting straight to recovery. I guess that might have messed up with the CSC change.
 

MRU

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How can I shut down the phone from the download mode if I deselect automatic reboot in Odin? I tried doing that, but ended up accidentally rebooting without getting straight to recovery. I guess that might have messed up with the CSC change.

Does not holding down the power button for 10 seconds shut it off in download mode ?
 

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Wiped the cache multiple times, still stuck on NEE. Sigh. Why can't Samsung just properly support the NEE ROM as these attempts at switching to BTU have just wasted hours of my life with nothing in return.
 

MRU

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It wasn't, still the only way to get it to boot was to hold volume down, power, and home. Tried with volume up to make it go straight to recovery, but no help from that.
Can you try flashing the full proper BTU firmware over what you have done ?

I have never changed / fiddled with the contents of a firmware, I just flash all the parts as laid out on Samfirmware.
 

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Can you try flashing the full proper BTU firmware over what you have done ?

I have never changed / fiddled with the contents of a firmware, I just flash all the parts as laid out on Samfirmware.

The interesting part is that's what I (at least thought I) did. I got the BTU Nougat firmware expecting it to switch my CSC too, but no dice. Should I actually unlock my bootloader first or will it trip Knox?
 

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unlocking the BL will trip Knox for sure.

That's what I thought and steered clear of it as CSC change should've been rather straightforward with Odin without tripping Knox. Something's just not working in the process for me. If only I could figure out what I'm doing wrong here.
 

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MRU

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I'm trying to flash BTU Nougat and also switch my CSC to BTU to keep receiving OTA updates. However, seems like the re-partition option is a bad idea without a pit file.

Yeah don't mess with partition.

You should be able to flash the BTU firmware make sure you use all the correct files. Follow sammobile/firmware as they have simple guide as to which files you need to flash.

Once flashed let it install and then proceed to the phone to setup...

But .. Don't set it all up just yet, turn off and boot to recovery mode - not download mode

Wipe the cache partition

Then do a factory reset from recovery mode. This will re-install once more the btu firmware. Reset/reboot

Then let it boot and once installed proceed to phone setup. After setting up you can then once more finally (hopefully) go back into recovery once more and you should see in the bottom confirmation that your now on BTU CSC. Going into recovery forces the device to check and assign a CSC.



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If necessary download the firmware again from sammobile firmwares.

If still failing ... Try the MM BTU, and then Nougat BTU.
 
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Roadstar

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Fortunately I'm in a better situation. I have CSC assigned, but it's still just sticking to the NEE one in a multi-CSC ROM.
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Yeah don't mess with partition.

You should be able to flash the BTU firmware make sure you use all the correct files. Follow sammobile/firmware as they have simple guide as to which files you need to flash.

Once flashed let it install and then proceed to the phone to setup...

But .. Don't set it all up just yet, turn off and boot to recovery mode - not download mode

Wipe the cache partition

Then do a factory reset from recovery mode. This will re-install once more the btu firmware. Reset/reboot

Then let it boot and once installed proceed to phone setup. After setting up you can then once more finally (hopefully) go back into recovery once more and you should see in the bottom confirmation that your now on BTU CSC. Going into recovery forces the device to check and assign a CSC.



---

If necessary download the firmware again from sammobile firmwares.

If still failing ... Try the MM BTU, and then Nougat BTU.

Thanks, I'll try one more trip to the recovery once the phone finishes downloading all apps. I should've done the cache wipe/reset round quite enough times now :) At least I'm on Nougat now but OTA will be hosed until I get it fixed. However, I guess I can update to newer ROMs with more recent security updates with HOME_CSC without needing a full reset? One additional option is to return to the NEE ROM once Nougat comes out for it.
 
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JaySoul

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Still don't have Nougat but past caring at this point, my wife's S7 has had it for 6 weeks :D
 

jamezr

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Still don't have Nougat but past caring at this point, my wife's S7 has had it for 6 weeks :D
I was part of the Samsung beta program on my S7 edge and loved Nougat. But when that program ended I went back to stock....... Heck I might get a S8 Plus before Nougat on my S7 edge....
 
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MindsEye

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So glad to have joined the club, the edge is an amazing phone.the design is truly breathtaking. I loved the design of my 6 plus and Z1 but i don't think since my luna 8600 i've actually marvelled at a phone.

Almost got it set up the way i want it and soon its gonna be sayonara iPhone. Served me well but the combination of being tired of iOS restrictions and how slow it became meant it was time to change.

Maybe i just haven't been paying enough attention but there's also few fantastic features Samsung offers.Was thinking how i was gonna move pictures, messages, contacts ect and Samsung has this feature built into the phone amazing. Was also thinking the singular thing i was gonna miss from iTunes syncing was the ability to take backups but smart switch also takes care of that. Sidesync also looks like a very neat utility by allowing you to interact, control and transfer files to and from your phone from a tablet, laptop or desktop wirelessly. I never knew these features existed before i purchased the phone. To me they are quite a big selling point. I would be yelling about them from the roof tops.
 
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