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I think this drives at the center of my frustration. Its not like they are a company that struggles to come up with a decent R&D budget for powerful workstations and 4k/5k displays. Even if the workstation market isn't that profitable, its about the ecosystem. They are alienating millions of workstation users who will write off Apple products all together. For a company that prides itself on customer satisfaction, I feel they have failed miserably here.
And this is exactly what Apple don't seem to understand. The real fans of Apple products often don't buy them just for their individual usefulness, but for the ECOSYSTEM. Individual Apple products don't compete very well on their own with the alternatives, but combined into an ecosystem of interconnected products, they work VERY well. The problem is that when one of those items isn't up to date, THE WHOLE ECOSYSTEM suffers!!! That causes people to not just replace an item like their computer with something from another brand, but to take ALL of their tech needs elsewhere. That lack of an update to the Mac Pro may not seem that important to Apple, but it will be a major part of the reason for declining sales in ALL of Apple's other product categories, as professional people, THE ONES WITH MONEY, go elsewhere.

Apple might be making a ton of money at the moment, but they have set themselves up for a MAJOR collapse. The combination of a connected ecosystem of products, along with low marketshare, ridiculous prices and margins, and making most of their money on one product, means that the company could potentially collapse VERY quickly.

A company like Microsoft, with 90% plus OS market share can afford to lose 10% without it affecting them much. Apple's 10% market share on computer OS, and 15% on cellphones can't afford to go down much more. Cellphones in particular are an area that Apple is particularly vulnerable in. With them making 70% of their ENTIRE profit from iPhones, if they lost just 7% market share, it would cost them nearly 35% of all profits.

Anyone with any business sense knows that if you rely on one product for the majority of your income, you are in BIG trouble (especially in a saturated market).
 
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Personal preference?

So there are people that like to be periodically spammed by their operating system with a popup and an alert noise that is far louder in volume than anything else?

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Is there anyone that likes that these notifications fill up your Action Center?

Is there anyone that likes the fact that if you dismiss the notification it just keeps coming back forever and ever?

Is there anyone that likes the fact that these popup notifications are caused by installed Microsoft adware called "Get Office"?

Is there anyone that likes the fact that if you uninstall this bloatware in a futile attempt to prevent notifications, it reinstalls itself, mimicking the very behavior of viruses and malware*?

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* Which of course is not the only time Windows 10 has acted like malware. For example, when Microsoft tricked people by treating a "close window" button as a "yes install Windows 10" button, thus acting just like the douchebaggiest of crapware slingers.


My favorite is, quite unprompted, "WINDOWS DEFENDER FOUND NO PROBLEMS WITH YOUR SYSTEM" (paraphrasing). That is the most spammy, idiotic, pointless notification one could imagine.
 
I'm fairly new to the forum by almost any measure. However I've been a user of Apple computers since the Apple ][ days. I've wasted a lot of my life arguing in the comp.sys.mac.advocacy newsgroups many years ago. IMO forum membership is no indication of an individuals experience, knowledge, or observance of Apple's products.
But you show by your statements your awareness of Apple's hits and misses, and your knowledge of the knowledge industry.

I'd say that there's a correlation between length of membership and experience - but clearly someone who joined the forum today could more insight than someone who'd been here since the last century.

On the other hand, this tangent was launched by someone making complaints about problems with Windows that predate the shift to the NT codebase.

And, don't forget that he said "Look at when I registered on this forum." as proof of his authority. ( https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/goodbye-apple.2009741/page-11#post-23836401 ) I didn't bring it up....
 
And this is exactly what Apple don't seem to understand. The real fans of Apple products often don't buy them just for their individual usefulness, but for the ECOSYSTEM. When one item that is part of that ecosystem isn't up to date, THE WHOLE ECOSYSTEM IS BROKEN!!! That causes people to not just replace their computer with something from another brand, but to take ALL of their tech needs elsewhere. That lack of an update to the Mac Pro, will be a major part of the reason for declining sales in ALL of Apple's other product categories, as professional people, THE ONES WITH MONEY, go elsewhere.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here, Phoenixx, but didn't Apple used to announce a whole range of products under Steve's wing before he passed? Meanwhile, we saw a DJ spinning songs on a strip of glass the other day. Hot stuff.
 
"Windoze"

I haven't seen that word used since the late 90s when Quark was on its way out.
At least he's consistent in matching his spelling and anti-Windows arguments to the same period of time.
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My favorite is, quite unprompted, "WINDOWS DEFENDER FOUND NO PROBLEMS WITH YOUR SYSTEM" (paraphrasing). That is the most spammy, idiotic, pointless notification one could imagine.
You can turn it off:

https://www.howto-connect.com/windows-defender-notifications-on-windows-10/
 
At least he's consistent in matching his spelling and anti-Windows arguments to the same period of time.
What's interesting is that you say you've been using Mac since the very old days but by his own admission in 2007 in his first thread, he didn't own a Mac and his experience lied with the G4. By that admission, you'd know more than him since you've been using them for far longer. But if we go by his model of knowledge, anyone older than him would know more about tech and life than he does, and his opinion's worth is piss all.
 
I agree with this.

Microsoft can make ads to lure people, but a touchscreen laptop is unusable in the real world.
Really? I think there would be a lot of Windows users who would disagree with you there. I've got a hybrid that runs Windows 10, and the touchscreen is fantastic. It's much easier to use than a trackpad. For text editing it is fantastic.
 
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You can turn it off:


I can't because it's a managed PC where I don't have admin (thankfully I only have to use this turd for a few weeks) but even if I could the very fact that someone coded that, it passed a review cycle and everyone went home thinking "Job's a good 'un" is basically Microsoft.docx
 
I can't because it's a managed PC where I don't have admin (thankfully I only have to use this turd for a few weeks) but even if I could the very fact that someone coded that, it passed a review cycle and everyone went home thinking "Job's a good 'un" is basically Microsoft.docx
Then this is not an issue with Windows but rather with how those who are in charge of administering your PC administer your PC.
 
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What's interesting is that you say you've been using Mac since the very old days but by his own admission in 2007 in his first thread, he didn't own a Mac and his experience lied with the G4. By that admission, you'd know more than him since you've been using them for far longer. But if we go by his model of knowledge, anyone older than him would know more about tech and life than he does, and his opinion's worth is piss all.
I'm not sure why people feel the need to defend / attack a company at all costs. I do not try and sway people one way or the other. If people ask for an opinion I'm happy to offer one. However if people attempt to pass their opinion, or ignorance, off as facts then I'm going to call them out on it. I've managed to show he lacks objectivity and that's enough for anyone reading this forum to take his comments with a grain of salt.
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It's a default setting which is not only entirely useless but actually user hostile.
And? You don't like it...fine. Others may appreciate it. Given that it can be disabled everyone wins.
 
I'm not sure why people feel the need to defend / attack a company at all costs. I do not try and sway people one way or the other. If people ask for an opinion I'm happy to offer one. However if people attempt to pass their opinion, or ignorance, off as facts then I'm going to call them out on it. I've managed to show he lacks objectivity and that's enough for anyone reading this forum to take his comments with a grain of salt.
Mixture of confirmation and cognitive bias.
 
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And popup notifications that say "Hey! Everything is ok", "Just checking in again. Still ok", "Nothing to see here" are precisely the kind of crappy UX that Windows is renowned for.
It's not a pop up. It's tucked away in the Notification Center. But, again, if you don't like it...turn it off.
 
Yes, we have. Which is why I am puzzled why you're still finding fault with it. You don't like it...I get it. So turn it off.

Maybe you're busy frantically defending Franken-Windows in too many threads at once so I'll remind of you my earlier answer.

I can't because it's a managed PC where I don't have admin (thankfully I only have to use this turd for a few weeks) but even if I could the very fact that someone coded that, it passed a review cycle and everyone went home thinking "Job's a good 'un" is basically Microsoft.docx
 
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A managed Mac will behave the same? Apple provides a utility to make custom OSX images that prevent users from doing anything they shouldn't, even if they were an admin.
 
Maybe you're busy frantically defending Franken-Windows in too many threads at once so I'll remind of you my earlier answer.
Maybe you're busy frantically attacking Windows in too many threads at once so I'll remind of you my earlier answer.

Then this is not an issue with Windows but rather with how those who are in charge of administering your PC administer your PC.

Your issue is not with Windows but rather those who administer your PC. Microsoft provides the means to easily disable the notification. If someone is preventing you from doing so that's not Windows or Microsoft's issue.
 
Maybe you're busy frantically attacking Windows in too many threads at once so I'll remind of you my earlier answer.

Then this is not an issue with Windows but rather with how those who are in charge of administering your PC administer your PC.

Your issue is not with Windows but rather those who administer your PC. Microsoft provides the means to easily disable the notification. If someone is preventing you from doing so that's not Windows or Microsoft's issue.

Seems I don't need to actually post anything new since you're going round in circles defending the indefensible

It's a default setting which is not only entirely useless but actually user hostile.

It's indefensible dogs**t, much like Windows 10
 
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Seems I don't need to actually post anything new since you're going round in circles defending the indefensible
There's nothing for me to defend. You don't like it. I get it. Keep in mind this is nothing more than your opinion. However, as I've repeatedly said, Microsoft provides the option to disable it. The fact someone else is preventing you from doing so is not Microsoft's fault.
 
You don't like it. I get it.

It's not a matter of "like". It's bad UX and it's bad UX by default that one has to climb into one of Windows 10's two control panels (lol) to disable.

And popup notifications that say "Hey! Everything is ok", "Just checking in again. Still ok", "Nothing to see here" are precisely the kind of crappy UX that Windows is renowned for.
 
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