GOODBYE, APPLE.

[F1Mac]

I am attempting to avoid a Mac versus PC debate. However Apples neglect of the Mac Pro has many people considering a move to Windows. With this consideration the anti-Windows forum members have felt the need to attack Windows (you are aware the person you are agreeing with did just this and was the one who brought up the forum join date as a form of credibility measure, aren't you?)

Yes I am. But unlike some others who did bite (not pointing you or anyone in particular), I won't. People could just ignore the sentences that can easily derail a thread. It's just words on a forum... pretty harmless stuff.

By the way, I'm not "anti-Windows" at all. I am, and will continue to do so, staying with Apple because OSX/macOS feels like home. I don't want anything else. I started with Mac OS 7.5.2 on a 7200, like I said, home.

Now....whoever is in charge of the Mac Pro in Cupertino better move his butt and give us something, SOON!!!!!

 

[ITguy2016]

Yes I am. But unlike some others who did bite (not pointing you or anyone in particular), I won't. People could just ignore the sentences that can easily derail a thread. It's just words on a forum... pretty harmless stuff.

It is but then we're here to have a discussion and I see this as appropriate in a thread titled "GOODBYE, APPLE." I guess I could just leave it alone and we could continue the constant comments of how Apple has neglected the Mac Pro, the professional market, etc., etc. All things that have been said before and really amount to beating a dead horse. Or maybe we can mix it up with some constructive comments about the challenges people will face if they make the move.

By the way, I'm not "anti-Windows" at all. I am, and will continue to do so, staying with Apple because OSX/macOS feels like home. I don't want anything else. I started with Mac OS 7.5.2 on a 7200, like I said, home.

I hope you did not take my comment to mean I was placing you in that category. If I did that was not my intent and you have my apologies. I started off with the LC II. Not as much drive time behind the wheel of a Mac as some people.

 

[F1Mac]

I hope you did not take my comment to mean I was placing you in that category. If I did that was not my intent and you have my apologies.

Not at all, I was "just saying".

...Just saw the headline about new MacBooks in 2017 on MR.... Damn!.. What do we have to do to have a juicy update about the MP status?! ...oh well..... off to work now!

 

[ITguy2016]

Not at all, I was "just saying".

...Just saw the headline about new MacBooks in 2017 on MR.... Damn!.. What do we have to do to have a juicy update about the MP status?! ...oh well..... off to work now!

Odd that the MacBook would have a maximum RAM capacity twice that of the just introduced MacBook Pro models.

 

[pat500000]

Odd that the MacBook would have a maximum RAM capacity twice that of the just introduced MacBook Pro models.

indeed. They lost their minds...or they want people to experience the price increase with less features.

 

[mijail]

Um, how about discussing the current Microsoft? Not denying Microsoft had questionable business practices in the past.

Again complaining that April 2016 is too long in the past??

I see that others have already noticed you in other threads. Are you paid to do this?

Apple Maps? Freaking disaster. Siri? Lagging behind everyone else.

I think both were dismissed already? In my particular case, just this week I got lost following Google Maps - because I didn't want to believe Apple Maps. And then Apple Maps took me back to the fricking *mall* I was looking for. Not a backstreet, not a small building. A mall. And Google Maps took me to a park 1 km away.

(Now, I won't try to defend iTunes ;P)

Virus, adware and spyware not an issue either. Only way you get viruses is if you deliberately install crap ware yourself. and personally I just use Windows integrated Defender, something you dont notice and keep your machine safe. I never have any problems.

Go google "superfish lenovo". Or, erm, bing it if you prefer, but maybe you won't find it?

You can turn it off:

https://www.howto-connect.com/windows-defender-notifications-on-windows-10/

Oh hey, one way to stop it is the register. I thought you said that was from the past?

 

[ActionableMango]

Then by all means please do so. I'd be interested in hearing them.

Sure, here are some:

• It spams you with the Office 365 notification, an application that reinstalls itself if you uninstall it.
• Using malware-like practices to trick people into installing Windows 10 against their very likely desire not to do so.
• In a time when all other major OSes are free, Microsoft acts schizophrenic by handing out massive numbers of free licenses on the one hand, and charging a lot of money on the other hand.
• The activation scheme for legitimate users is unclear because Microsoft has not published it, even though Activation is something that should be documented and clear for its customers.
• Furthermore, any attempt to figure out the activation scheme from collective experience is defeated by inconsistent behavior. Sometimes it works; sometimes not; sometimes it won't work, but will mysteriously work later for no obvious reason after repeated tries leading to failure. This points to fact that there's probably no activation policy at all, or that it is incredibly buggy.
• Windows Updates. OMG where do I even start with these. Okay:
  • The timing of forced updates can be extremely inconvenient or cause significant issues, such as:
    • Those out in the field with slow, capped, or expensive pay-per-kb connections.
    • Those at home with the same problems, slow connections such as satellite or dialup, or monthly Internet caps. Got a big mandatory update? You can't wait till next month, so I guess you won't be watching any more Netflix this month.
    • Those getting interrupted in middle of mission critical use.
  • Updates can break your computer, such as:
    • The notorious Anniversary Edition Update
    • KB3194496, which was meant to hotfix the Anniversary Edition Update, but actually caused such severe problems itself that there had to be a hotfix for this hotfix
    • This Windows update which broke Wi-Fi on everyone's Dell Venue Pros (one of the most common Windows tablets), including mine
  • The fact that Microsoft promised us these mandatory updates wouldn't cause problems because they would be thoroughly tested through the MS Insider program. First of all, this is a failed promise. Secondly, KB3194496 was only tested by the Insider program for one day before it was forced upon the general public--this shows a very poor commitment to QA testing of mandatory updates.
  • This update which broke NIC teaming/bonding. Microsoft has been promising a fix for a year now. This can cut your bandwidth in half, which is semi-serious, but much much worse, it breaks a very common network redundancy model at the last leg between the Windows PC and the switch.
  • The fact that you can be aware of these known problems with updates but be unable to prevent it because these updates that break everything you rely on are mandatory.
  • On my own computers, Windows updates often fail to complete. Or even start. But then magically work a few days later. Or it will say that an update is pending and I need to reboot, so I reboot at a time when an update would be convenient for me--except that rebooting it didn't start the update. But later the computer will update and restart itself, during the night, when I had stuff open that is now lost.
  • Yes, "broken updates" is totally a 90's complaint. Except it's a 2016 complaint too, so nothing's improved in all this time.
• With Windows 7 there were already too many places to change settings. Far, far too many. Starting with Win8, there are now even more places, many of them duplicates, in order to support Metro.
• Even worse, Windows seems to rename and reorganize settings and their containers all the time. If you google how to do something, it seems like half the time you cannot follow the instructions because Microsoft has renamed and relocated everything, making the documented path to the solution outdated and invalid.
• More Metro schizophrenia due to two different interfaces:
  • The fact that there are two kinds of Windows applications. I downloaded Windows VPN software and ran it. Turns out it was for Metro only. The first time I ran it, it said that because I was running in desktop mode, I had to install and run the other Windows version of that same application. This is stupid.
  • Metro applications or settings screens that take up my entire 3440x1440 monitor with like 2x1 inches of information.
  • Sorry to call it "Metro"--I know that's old. It's now called "Windows-8 Style". No wait, it's "Modern". No, ugh, it's "Windows Store" now, right? Noooooo... "Universal"...maybe? Does anyone even know what the current name is? I guess it doesn't matter because by the time you are reading this, it will probably have been renamed a couple more times.
• We live in a multimonitor era. It should be simple to assign a different static background image to each monitor, and it should be right where you'd normally assign one image to one monitor. Even worse, WINDOWS ITSELF offered this years ago with version 8, but pulled it in 10.
• The new way to select multiple backgrounds in Windows 10 is unintuitive and stupid. Instead of simply assigning a picture to each monitor, you select multiple files in File Explorer, right-click, and make them your desktop background. There is no way to assign specific images to specific monitors. They can and will change which monitor they are on. This is even more problematic if you have different size/resolution monitors, different aspect ratios, etc. Who thought this was an improvement?
• No equivalent to Automator--macros are not powerful enough, and scripting is too much to learn and implement for the 3-4 simple tasks I need. Automator is the porridge that's just right.
• Cannot rename/move files while in use in an application. About 90% of the time I cannot rename/move/delete them even if I've closed the file but the application is still open. About 20% of the time I cannot rename/move/delete the file even if I've closed the file AND closed the application that had it open. I have to wait some for mysterious and ever-changing amount of time.
• On wakeup I often have a "greyed out" password field that refuses mouse and keyboard action. I have to work around this by sliding the lock screen down, then back up. Totally anecdotal I know, but I'm not the only one.
• Audio driver model is still terrible after all these years. Latency through the drivers is very high, no support for aggregate audio devices (can't output to multiple paths without third party mixers, cannot record multiple sources simultaneously). If you switch audio hardware at the OS level, applications often don't follow the change, or audio stops working, or application crashes.
• The Windows Platform Binary Table is a back door for malware that is not prevented by manual user intervention, even by installing a clean retail version of Windows.
• Privacy settings are opt-out, very invasive, and vague about what they do. Even after expressly turning all the spying "features" off, Win10 is still phoning something home anyway. It's encrypted so we don't know what it is, and Microsoft is again vague about it. Yes this is even in the Enterprise addition which allows for additional opt-outs that the other versions don't.

 

[ITguy2016]

Sure, here are some:

• It spams you with the Office 365 notification, an application that reinstalls itself if you uninstall it.
• Using malware-like practices to trick people into installing Windows 10 against their very likely desire not to do so.
• In a time when all other major OSes are free, Microsoft acts schizophrenic by handing out massive numbers of free licenses on the one hand, and charging a lot of money on the other hand.
• The activation scheme for legitimate users is unclear because Microsoft has not published it, even though Activation is something that should be documented and clear for its customers.
• Furthermore, any attempt to figure out the activation scheme from collective experience is defeated by inconsistent behavior. Sometimes it works; sometimes not; sometimes it won't work, but will mysteriously work later for no obvious reason after repeated tries leading to failure. This points to fact that there's probably no activation policy at all, or that it is incredibly buggy.
• Windows Updates. OMG where do I even start with these. Okay:
  • The timing of forced updates can be extremely inconvenient or cause significant issues, such as:
    • Those out in the field with slow, capped, or expensive pay-per-kb connections.
    • Those at home with the same problems, slow connections such as satellite or dialup, or monthly Internet caps. Got a big mandatory update? You can't wait till next month, so I guess you won't be watching any more Netflix this month.
    • Those getting interrupted in middle of mission critical use.
  • Updates can break your computer, such as:
    • The notorious Anniversary Edition Update
    • KB3194496, which was meant to hotfix the Anniversary Edition Update, but actually caused such severe problems itself that there had to be a hotfix for this hotfix
    • This Windows update which broke Wi-Fi on everyone's Dell Venue Pros (one of the most common Windows tablets), including mine
  • The fact that Microsoft promised us these mandatory updates wouldn't cause problems because they would be thoroughly tested through the MS Insider program. First of all, this is a failed promise. Secondly, KB3194496 was only tested by the Insider program for one day before it was forced upon the general public--this shows a very poor commitment to QA testing of mandatory updates.
  • This update which broke NIC teaming/bonding. Microsoft has been promising a fix for a year now. This can cut your bandwidth in half, which is semi-serious, but much much worse, it breaks a very common network redundancy model at the last leg between the Windows PC and the switch.
  • The fact that you can be aware of these known problems with updates but be unable to prevent it because these updates that break everything you rely on are mandatory.
  • On my own computers, Windows updates often fail to complete. Or even start. But then magically work a few days later. Or it will say that an update is pending and I need to reboot, so I reboot at a time when an update would be convenient for me--except that rebooting it didn't start the update. But later the computer will update and restart itself, during the night, when I had stuff open that is now lost. Yes, this is totally a 90's complaint. Except it's a 2016 complaint too, so nothing's improved in all this time.
• With Windows 7 there were already too many places to change settings. Far, far too many. Starting with Win8, there are now even more places, many of them duplicates, in order to support Metro.
• Even worse, Windows seems to rename and reorganize settings and their containers all the time. If you google how to do something, it seems like half the time you cannot follow the instructions because Microsoft has renamed and relocated everything, making the documented path to the solution outdated and invalid.
• More Metro schizophrenia due to two different interfaces:
  • The fact that there are two kinds of Windows applications. I downloaded Windows VPN software and ran it. Turns out it was for Metro only. The first time I ran it, it said that because I was running in desktop mode, I had to install and run the other Windows version of that same application. This is stupid.
  • Metro applications or settings screens that take up my entire 3440x1440 monitor with like 2x1 inches of information.
  • Sorry to call it "Metro"--I know that's old. It's now called "Windows-8 Style". No wait, it's "Modern". No, ugh, it's "Windows Store" now, right? Noooooo... "Universal"...maybe? Does anyone even know what the current name is? I guess it doesn't matter because by the time you are reading this, it will probably have been renamed a couple more times.
• We live in a multimonitor era. It should be simple to assign a different static image to each monitor, and it should be right where you'd normally assign an image to one monitor. Even worse, WINDOWS ITSELF offered this years ago with version 8, but pulled it in 10.
• The new way to select multiple backgrounds in Windows 10 is unintuitive and stupid. Instead of simply assigning a picture to each monitor, you select multiple files in File Explorer, right-click, and make them your desktop background. There is no way to assign specific images to specific monitors. They can and will change which monitor they are on. This is even more problematic if you have different size/resolution monitors, different aspect ratios, etc. Who thought this was an improvement?
• No equivalent to Automator--macros are not powerful enough, and scripting is too much to learn and implement for the 3-4 simple tasks I need. Automator is the porridge that's just right.
• Cannot rename/move files while in use in an application. About 90% of the time I cannot rename/move/delete them even if I've closed the file but the application is still open. About 20% of the time I cannot rename/move/delete the file even if I've closed the file AND closed the application that had it open.
• On wakeup I often have a "greyed out" password field that refuses mouse and keyboard action. I have to work around this by sliding the lock screen down, then back up. Totally anecdotal I know, but I'm not the only one.
• Audio driver model is still terrible after all these years. Latency through the drivers is very high, no support for aggregate audio devices (can't output to multiple paths without third party mixers, cannot record multiple sources simultaneously). If you switch audio hardware at the OS level, applications often don't follow the change, or audio stops working, or application crashes.
• The Windows Platform Binary Table is a back door for malware that is not prevented by manual user intervention, even by installing a clean retail version of Windows.
• Privacy settings are opt-out, very invasive, and vague about what they do. Even after expressly turning all the spying "features" off, Win10 is still phoning something home anyway. It's encrypted so we don't know what it is, and Microsoft is again vague about it. Yes this is even in the Enterprise addition which allows for additional opt-outs that the other versions don't.

I'm not sure how to respond to these. Going line by line would make my response incredibly lengthy and probably boring to most readers. By group? Well, not really much to group. I guess I'll just have to make some general statements:

• Things like activation, licensing, and tricking people into installing Windows 10 are really unrelated to Windows and the user experience. The same about the Office 365 and privacy comments. IMO these are more issues with Microsoft than a failing of Windows.
• Updates - Yes, they can break things. They have broken things. This is not unique to Windows. It happens on all platforms. I agree I dislike the heavy handed nature Microsoft has moved to with pushing updates.
• Different applications - Yes, there are two. You can use one type, the other, or a combination of the two. This is not really a failing of Windows.
• What is the Windows Platform Binary Table? That's what end users would ask you.
• Automator - There are options, they just aren't included in the OS (remember that who IE integration / DOJ thing?)
• Greyed out password - macOS is bug free?

You've listed some reasonable issues however many of them are more "theoretical" (i.e. figuring out activation) than "practical". I'm sure I could make a similar list regarding macOS. As has been said before: Neither is perfect. I'm sure for every negative you could find in Windows I could find a negative for macOS.

 

[koyoot]

ActionableMango. I will just add two things that are constantly happening on THREE computers with different configurations. They have one thing in common. Intel CPUs. Two Skylake CPUs and one Haswell build.

GTX 1060 - constant crashes of drivers while gaming, in any game. Never happened/happens on Windows 7 which is on second partition on the same SSD.
GTX 1070 - constant crashes of drivers while gaming, in Diablo 3, Heroes of the Storm, the Division. Never happened and never happens on Windows 8.1 that is on second partition on the same SSD.
HD7770 - constant driver crashes while gaming.... Never happened and never happens on Windows 7.

Same thing happens for my friends and family. Thanfully, nothing happens while working on the computers.

Because of rubbish GPU drivers for Win10 I had to stick to dual system policy.

The problem with Windows is that the fact it is one OS, that needs to handle all of different bits and pieces which can work together better or worse. That is the exact opposite of Macs. This the exact reason why they get old so long time, on the contrary to Windows hardware/software.

I wish there could be third player with Software like macOS, and performance like custom build PC's.

 

[zephonic]

In another thread I humorously referred to ITguy2016 as "our resident Windows evangelist", because he seems to jump to Windows' defense whenever it is mentioned in a negative way. That post was removed because it was considered ad hominem or something.

We'll see how long this lasts...

 

[ActionableMango]

I'm sure I could make a similar list regarding macOS.

I think you misunderstand my intent. I could do a MacOS list too.

My Windows list wasn't meant to show that MacOS is superior--that is someone else's argument perhaps. I don't think I even mentioned MacOS once. (Okay, Automator I guess.)

 

[mijail]

Windows Updates. OMG where do I even start with these. Okay:

Heh, good memories. About 3 years ago (last time I had to use Windows at work) I had to waste about a full day debugging because good old Windows 7 (or was it 8? ) had installed some updates that broke the hardware we used (serial or JTAG adapters, I don't remember now what exactly). Was a good final push to get into Linux full-time.

• Things like activation, licensing, and tricking people into installing Windows 10 are really unrelated to Windows and the user experience. The same about the Office 365 and privacy comments. IMO these are more issues with Microsoft than a failing of Windows.
• What is the Windows Platform Binary Table? That's what end users would ask you.

So the user doesn't care about what is the Windows Platform Binary Table, but should care about what is "a Microsoft problem" and what is properly "a Windows problem" – all according to your definition. Right?

• Different applications - Yes, there are two. You can use one type, the other, or a combination of the two. This is not really a failing of Windows.

Now go please tell that to Microsoft (or to "Windows"? I don't know, do you?), because they (and you) seem to miss the point that the problem is that it behaves as a bad case of split personality, instead of integration.

• Automator - There are options, they just aren't included in the OS (remember that who IE integration / DOJ thing?)

Oh, is that the reason Edge is not included with Windows 10?
Nah, I didn't think so.

• Greyed out password - macOS is bug free?

Are you even trying any more??

I'm sure I could make a similar list regarding macOS.

But too lazy to do it? Or lacking material? Hard to say.

As has been said before: Neither is perfect. I'm sure for every negative you could find in Windows I could find a negative for macOS.

Again, so much sure-ness, so little to say.
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I wish there could be third player with Software like macOS, and performance like custom build PC's.

For a time I considered some Lenovo or Sony Vaio, but at the moment of truth things never seemed aligned enough.
I keep waiting, though...

 

[ITguy2016]

In another thread I humorously referred to ITguy2016 as "our resident Windows evangelist", because he seems to jump to Windows' defense whenever it is mentioned in a negative way. That post was removed because it was considered ad hominem or something.

We'll see how long this lasts...

Key word: seems. I "defend" Windows (as I do Macintosh) when someone provides incorrect information or they attempt to pass off their preferences / opinions off as facts. When people are concerned about the future of the Mac Pro and are considering Windows as an alternative I feel it's important to ensure they have accurate information. Unfortunately there are several people here who feel the need to misrepresent Windows.
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I think you misunderstand my intent. I could do a MacOS list too.

My Windows list wasn't meant to show that MacOS is superior--that is someone else's argument perhaps. I don't think I even mentioned MacOS once. (Okay, Automator I guess.)

Apparently I misunderstood your intent because I see no value in creating such a list for either OS.
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ActionableMango. I will just add two things that are constantly happening on THREE computers with different configurations. They have one thing in common. Intel CPUs. Two Skylake CPUs and one Haswell build.

GTX 1060 - constant crashes of drivers while gaming, in any game. Never happened/happens on Windows 7 which is on second partition on the same SSD.
GTX 1070 - constant crashes of drivers while gaming, in Diablo 3, Heroes of the Storm, the Division. Never happened and never happens on Windows 8.1 that is on second partition on the same SSD.
HD7770 - constant driver crashes while gaming.... Never happened and never happens on Windows 7.

Same thing happens for my friends and family. Thanfully, nothing happens while working on the computers.

Because of rubbish GPU drivers for Win10 I had to stick to dual system policy.

The problem with Windows is that the fact it is one OS, that needs to handle all of different bits and pieces which can work together better or worse. That is the exact opposite of Macs. This the exact reason why they get old so long time, on the contrary to Windows hardware/software.

I wish there could be third player with Software like macOS, and performance like custom build PC's.

Are these Microsoft (i.e included with the OS) drivers? Or are they the manufacturers drivers? If the former why not install the manufacturer specific drivers? If the latter then this is not a failing of Windows but rather the manufacturer to write stable drivers.

 

[ActionableMango]

You literally asked me to write a list and said you would be interested in it:

Then by all means please do so. I'd be interested in hearing them.

And now you say this:

I see no value in creating such a list for either OS.

So you trolled me into wasting my time. Thanks a lot.

 

[koyoot]

Are these Microsoft (i.e included with the OS) drivers? Or are they the manufacturers drivers? If the former why not install the manufacturer specific drivers? If the latter then this is not a failing of Windows but rather the manufacturer to write stable drivers.

ALL of the drivers fail. Built in drivers for HD7770, and Nvidia drivers for GTX 1000 series. It is not related to drivers, because the same drivers, apart from those for HD7770(because for them I have to use Crimson drivers) are working perfectly well under Windows 7 and 8.1 partitions. You completely forgot this part of my post.

This is related to the System itself.

 

[mikeboss]

I'm an operating-system-agnostic, I work with both platforms. I'm for sure not happy about everything Apple does (hardware and macOS). and I'm definitely NOT a fanboy. but even Windows 10 has still a ton of annoyances and inconsistencies (in the GUI). also, it is a proven fact that I see my customers, who run windows, more often... the way I see it: macOS is the lesser of the two evils, by far. IMHO, ActionableMango speaks the truth...

regards,
michael

 

[zephonic]

Key word: seems. I "defend" Windows (as I do Macintosh) when someone provides incorrect information or they attempt to pass off their preferences / opinions off as facts. When people are concerned about the future of the Mac Pro and are considering Windows as an alternative I feel it's important to ensure they have accurate information. Unfortunately there are several people here who feel the need to misrepresent Windows.

Nobody misrepresents Windows. People post about their personal experiences and you attempt to invalidate what they are saying or dismiss it as isolated incidents.

What ActionableMango posted above is a perfect example of your Modus Operandi.

 

[kennyisalive]

Apple vs. Microsoft is like looking at a mirror of Trump vs. Clinton... they're both ****, but sometimes you need to pick the less ****** one.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

The only thing I find superior on macOS is the font handling and simplicity. But that's for laptop use. On the desktop I would choose Win10 any day all day because I need a system that can be used either simply or for advanced digging into options, and I need properly optimised modern APIs and drivers.

Hence I have different systems for different uses.

The funniest attack by Mac zeolots on Windows is the 'inconsistent interface' argument. But name two mainstream applications on any platform that share the same interface? None of the popular companies or developers want to be told by Apple or Microsoft how their interfaces should look like.

 

[ITguy2016]

You literally asked me to write a list and said you would be interested in it:

I was given what I believed the context to be (i.e. you were intending to show macOS as superior). When you made the following statement:

"My Windows list wasn't meant to show that MacOS is superior..."

That changed the context.

And now you say this:


So you trolled me into wasting my time. Thanks a lot.

Yeah, that's it. Everything has got to be because of nefarious reasons. Couldn't be that someone had a genuine interest. What is it with you people? Seriously? Why does everything have to be so adversarial?

 

[Jack Burton]

I have both platforms at work and at home.

Quite frankly, Windows and MacOS both make me want to throw the computer out a third floor window at least twice a week. iOS is the same, but at least I'm not troubleshooting drivers.

I do love using the Finder significantly more than using the Windows explorer.

 

[ITguy2016]

Nobody misrepresents Windows. People post about their personal experiences and you attempt to invalidate what they are saying or dismiss it as isolated incidents.

What ActionableMango posted above is a perfect example of your Modus Operandi.

Sure they do. ActionableMango did with a few of his list entries. For example his comment about trying to figure out Windows' activation scheme. 99.9999999999% of end users don't care about figuring it out. Yet somehow this is an issue with Windows? Why? Here's a clue for him: Microsoft doesn't doesn't want people to figure it out. Then you get someone else whining about how Windows Defender puts "useless" information in the Action Center. To him it may be useless, to others if may be useful. Then you've got someone else who lists DLL conflicts as an issue. It was but went away a long, long, long time ago.

Not sure why Mac users refuse to accept a lot of their complaints against Windows have little or nothing to do with Windows. But as long as they do you can bet I'll be here to correct them.
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ALL of the drivers fail. Built in drivers for HD7770, and Nvidia drivers for GTX 1000 series. It is not related to drivers, because the same drivers, apart from those for HD7770(because for them I have to use Crimson drivers) are working perfectly well under Windows 7 and 8.1 partitions. You completely forgot this part of my post.

This is related to the System itself.

No, I did not forget that part of your post. I'd be willing to bet 99 out of a 100 times it's a driver issue. Do you really believe this behavior is the norm and not an anomaly? Should I use all the driver related issues I see in this forum to conclude macOS is crap?
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I have both platforms at work and at home.

Quite frankly, Windows and MacOS both make me want to throw the computer out a third floor window at least twice a week. iOS is the same, but at least I'm not troubleshooting drivers.

I do love using the Finder significantly more than using the Windows explorer.

Computers are evil. Sometimes I think we'd be better off without them.

 

[iMcLovin]

Go google "superfish lenovo". Or, erm, bing it if you prefer, but maybe you won't find it?

Well I never said anyone should buy a pre-installed bloatware computer....thats one of the reason they are cheap, because they add a lot of sponsored crap - So even if that was a major mistake from Lenovo that shouldnt happen, I personally stray far far away from any bloatware machine. If you are able to pay for apple hardware with the apple tax, buying windows computers that are without bloatware shouldn't be a problem to anyone.

 

[ITguy2016]

Apple vs. Microsoft is like looking at a mirror of Trump vs. Clinton... they're both ****, but sometimes you need to pick the less ****** one.

I don't care which one people use. However choices should be made on accurate information and not misinformation. The amount of misinformation spread in this thread alone is staggering.

 

[koyoot]

No, I did not forget that part of your post. I'd be willing to bet 99 out of a 100 times it's a driver issue. Do you really believe this behavior is the norm and not an anomaly? Should I use all the driver related issues I see in this forum to conclude macOS is crap?

The driver issues are related to the system, because they appear on THREE different configurations of Custom PC builds, and GPU brands.

4 core Core i5-4690+HD7770, 4 core Xeon E3-1270v5 + GTX1070 , and Core i5 6600+GTX 1060.

Everything in completely fine on Windows 7/8.1 that are on the SAME SSD's. It does not happen only to me but my family and friends.