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The Mac Pro isn't really necessary or relevant anymore. As Apple demonstrated on stage last week, the MacBook Pro is now capable of powering two gigantic 5k displays. Who would buy a Mac Pro now? No really, who would buy a Mac Pro when you have this insanely thin and powerful laptop capable of doing it all.
I would buy it. It's called,"user's experience." I would like to see a big screen while leaning back on a chair rather than squinting my eyes to see stuff and I don't have "minimal" face to fit MacBook Pro display.
 
As I have said, it happens not only on my computers but also few another.

3 builds are mine, only. I am talking about other 5 configurations, and 2 of them are prebuilt OEM/shop configs. We have been trying everything to understand where the problem lies.

Exactly the same thing happens just with different software(gaming).
You already said what the problem is: The drivers. Though I do have a difficult time believing so many different computers, owned by several people, with varying configurations (including customer build and OEM systems) are experiencing crashing issues. As Adien said there are hundreds of millions of Windows 10 systems in use (including three that I own which have zero crashing issues) and you feel there's an issue with Windows 10?

If you were in my shoes would you believe me if I said all of my Macs are crashing when put under load. These Macs range from a single core 1.6GHz PowerMac G5 to a 2010 Mac Pro to a 2012 rMBP to a 2006 MacBook to my recently acquired (as of an hour or so ago iBook / PowerBook G4's). Would you believe me?
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"Things like activation, licensing, and tricking people into installing Windows 10 are really unrelated to Windows"

"These features of Windows, wholly related to Windows and only Windows are unrelated to Windows"

These items in no way, shape or form pertain to anything but Windows.
Uh, no. Windows doesn't trick people into installing it. Microsoft did. Licensing...unrelated to Windows. That's a legal issue between you and Microsoft. Activation...again nothing to do with Windows. Everything to do with Microsoft. Please understand the difference between Microsoft's actions and problems with Windows.
 
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Uh, no. Windows doesn't trick people into installing it. Microsoft did. Licensing...unrelated to Windows. That's a legal issue between you and Microsoft. Activation...again nothing to do with Windows. Everything to do with Microsoft. Please understand the difference between Microsoft's actions and problems with Windows.

Oh my GOD. Are you even serious!?

Windows licensing has nothing to do with Windows, it's Microsoft.

Windows activation has nothing to do with Windows, it's Microsoft.

Windows trick installers have nothing to do wth Windows, it's Microsoft.

You have to be trolling or this is some elaborate piece of performance art. No-one could possibly hand-wave away a bunch of problems with an operating system and say they're not problems with the operating system but actually problems with the developers of the operating system. By that logic, no software has any problems, it's the developer that does. You must be aware of how utterly ludicrous and insane that sounds.
 
Oh my GOD. Are you even serious!?

Windows licensing has nothing to do with Windows, it's Microsoft.

Windows activation has nothing to do with Windows, it's Microsoft.

Windows trick installers have nothing to do wth Windows, it's Microsoft.
Yep, Microsoft. Should I fault macOS for my inability to install it on non-Mac hardware? Should I fault macOS because Apple will not license it for installation / use on non-Mac hardware? Should I fault macOS (or should I say OS X) for the constant messages to install the latest version? No...all of that is on Apple's shoulders. None of this is a failing of the OS.

You have to be trolling or this is some elaborate piece of performance art. No-one could possibly hand-wave away a bunch of problems with an operating system and say they're not problems with the operating system but actually problems with the developers of the operating system. By that logic, no software has any problems, it's the developer that does. You must be aware of how utterly ludicrous and insane that sounds.
The three examples you listed above are not bugs or failures of Windows. They're policies set by Microsoft.
 
Yep, Microsoft. Should I fault macOS for my inability to install it on non-Mac hardware? Should I fault macOS because Apple will not license it for installation / use on non-Mac hardware? Should I fault macOS (or should I say OS X) for the constant messages to install the latest version? No...all of that is on Apple's shoulders. None of this is a failing of the OS.


The three examples you listed above are not bugs or failures of Windows. They're policies set by Microsoft.

I had to upvote for your sheer devotion to unreality. Truly and genuinely I have never seen its like. Not even the 80's and 90's Amiga boys had anything on this.
 
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Yes but the Dell runs Windows as its OS and therefore needs at least four times the RAM of a Mac to deliver usable performance..

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Personally, I quite hate Gate Keeper. Bloody thing needs to be forced turned off through terminal now with Sierra.
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You can't excuse daftness. I sigh with you.
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Yes but the Dell runs Windows as its OS and therefore needs at least four times the RAM of a Mac to deliver usable performance.

Anyway I get the frustrations of the Mac Pro users who want a new machine. But unfortunately time has marched on and I really don't see a future for that product. For many Mac Pro users, docking a Mac with a couple of 5k displays is an incredibly attractive option.
If he's running VMs, which he most certainly is, or software that requires lot of RAM, which he likely is, then it's quite understandable it'll use that much RAM. If we take your silly theory and extrapolate it in an inverse manner, we'd normally see 8-16 GB RAM equipped Windows computers consuming 65-80% of their available memory during idle. That is not the case. I don't see more than 1.8-2.2 GB out of 64 GB of RAM used at idle on my IB-E workstation. Don't be a fool.
 
The Mac Pro isn't really necessary or relevant anymore. As Apple demonstrated on stage last week, the MacBook Pro is now capable of powering two gigantic 5k displays. Who would buy a Mac Pro now? No really, who would buy a Mac Pro when you have this insanely thin and powerful laptop capable of doing it all.

Unless, like many of us, you find a max of 16 GiB of RAM to be completely unacceptable.


Dell 3610. 128 GiB. More than 100 GiB in use. (Essentially the same hardware as the hex core MP6,1, except that Dell supports 4 times more RAM than Apple.)

16 GiB is for toys.

I just saw the post you're referencing, Aiden. I don't think he's ever used a Xeon powered workstation. A six core Xeon Nehalem from 2010 with a low grade Quadro will smash my computer, as the young folks say, and mine was built in 2014. If given a choice between a Mac Pro or any workstation with a Xeon over the MBP, I'd go with the Xeon station. It's better suited for intense workloads, it lasts longer and it's far more efficient in directing its power.
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Gruber's best guess:
Post-PC era is.. a silly term. Real computing simply can't be done on a tablet. But a MBP lasts for a long time if taken care of. It wouldn't surprise me if this was Apple's motive all along simply because each generation of iPad or iPhone is better than the last. And everyone wants the "new" i-whatever. It's easy money once you get back R&D costs and supplier costs.
 
If we take your silly theory and extrapolate it in an inverse manner, we'd normally see 8-16 GB RAM equipped Windows computers consuming 65-80% of their available memory during idle. That is not the case. I don't see more than 1.8-2.2 GB out of 64 GB of RAM used at idle on my IB-E workstation. Don't be a fool.
Yes, I normally have a Linux VM with a 64 GiB RAM and six core allocation running (so with the 10% or so overhead, means 70 GiB in use without considering the host or other VMs).

But the main point is - I couldn't do this on the 16 GiB EmojiBook. I also couldn't do it on Apple's supported RAM limits on an MP6,1.

What the people who spend all of their time in Twitter and Facebook might not realize is that the memory requirements for workstations and servers doing even small big data analysis and research are simply exploding. I'm replacing all of my E3 Xeon workstations with 32 GiB RAM limits, replacing them with E5 Xeons with 256 GiB RAM limits (or higher). The E3 systems that will be eWasted are far more powerful than an EmojiBook - but they no longer meet our needs.
 
Yes, I normally have a Linux VM with a 64 GiB RAM and six core allocation running (so with the 10% or so overhead, means 70 GiB in use without considering the host or other VMs).

But the main point is - I couldn't do this on the 16 GiB EmojiBook. I also couldn't do it on Apple's supported RAM limits on an MP6,1.

What the people who spend all of their time in Twitter and Facebook might not realize is that that the memory requirements for workstations and servers doing big data analysis and research are simply exploding. I'm replacing all of my E3 Xeon workstations with 32 GiB RAM limits, replacing them with E5 Xeons with 256 GiB RAM limits (or higher). The E3 systems that will be eWasted are far more powerful than an EmojiBook - but they no longer meet our needs.

I don't know how your post managed to be a reply to me. I didnt post that
 
Uh, no. Windows doesn't trick people into installing it. Microsoft did. Licensing...unrelated to Windows. That's a legal issue between you and Microsoft. Activation...again nothing to do with Windows. Everything to do with Microsoft. Please understand the difference between Microsoft's actions and problems with Windows.

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Comedy. Gold.

This is why I love the internet.
 
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Uh, no. Windows doesn't trick people into installing it. Microsoft did. Licensing...unrelated to Windows. That's a legal issue between you and Microsoft. Activation...again nothing to do with Windows. Everything to do with Microsoft. Please understand the difference between Microsoft's actions and problems with Windows.
you're putting too fine a point on it imo.. yes, what (and how) you're saying is true.

but going so acute is making you miss what you're saying.. under different scenario & roles reversed, i'm pretty sure you'd ridicule the person saying similar to you.

(actually, i know you would ; ) )
 
In my custom-built PC I've never had a single driver issue under Windows 10. Ever. That's for nVidia 9xx line (but also for any other system device for that matter). OTOH I feel like I roll the dice every time a new OS X / macOS is released since I have connected there an external audio interface, and feel lucky when it works with the new OS (since sometimes it doesn't). And let's not kidding ourselves here; W10 are equally (if not more) stable than macOS. And they are definitely faster.

Someone on a previous post referred the UI consistency superiority of macOS and I found it a bit funny, since that's a subject that got much worse with Sierra. Try the notifications bar while in dark mode. Surprise, this specific bar is always white. Try to display date/time in different language than the OS. In sierra you can't. Maybe apple thought this would help make the Macs thinner or something...

On my Ubuntu pc at the office, several updates where needed in order for the window server to recognize the correct frequency settings for the monitor (which was working perfectly until it was broken with a previous update) and had to override manually from command line till it was 'magically' fixed.

Bottom line: It's not only microsoft that breaks things between releases/updates or has random issues with drivers. Even within a mac forum, it's way too "last year" for people to believe that.
 
Post-PC era is.. a silly term.

Post PC sounded great when the iPad was growing ridiculously. Turns out, that represented little more than pent up demand for iOS on a larger screen. Releasing the iPhone 6 has basically destroyed the iPad, and after years of having used it, people are realizing that it's no replacement for the Mac.

One of my most interesting observations is how much less productive I became with the iPad. The damn thing actively steers me from content creation to consumption (even simp,e things like maintaining a calendar have become a chore for me on the iPad, compared to a decade ago when I would carry my 12" iBook everywhere and remain organized and up to date on that).
 
Post PC sounded great when the iPad was growing ridiculously. Turns out, that represented little more than pent up demand for iOS on a larger screen. Releasing the iPhone 6 has basically destroyed the iPad, and after years of having used it, people are realizing that it's no replacement for the Mac.

One of my most interesting observations is how much less productive I became with the iPad. The damn thing actively steers me from content creation to consumption (even simp,e things like maintaining a calendar have become a chore for me on the iPad, compared to a decade ago when I would carry my 12" iBook everywhere and remain organized and up to date on that).

The iPad is no replacement for a Mac, but there are a few things it has helped me with: first and foremost, sheet music. I use apps like ForScore and iGigBook and that is truly liberating, not having to schlep binders with every song I might conceivably need.
Mine is a 4th-gen cellular model with 128GB, and I have a little Logitech keyboard, which makes it a much more usable all-round device.
I mention the storage because 128GB on an iOS device is way more than 256GB is on a Mac. Mail on Mac easily eats up like 40GB on a Mac, but iOS mail keeps all the gunk off the computer, thankfully. I used the iPad as my camera before I got my iPhone5S, and I still appreciate viewing photos on the iPad better than anywhere else.

I have found Notes to be a great help as well. I am doing some construction in my house, and the iPad is good for quickly writing down measurements, materials needed, and being able to look prices up rightaway online.

Its form factor lends itself a little better for things like this than a laptop, and I find the phone a little too small for most of these things (let alone type on at length). Also, battery life on the iPad ensures you can work on it the entire day without worrying about charging, forget about that on the phone.

I said it is not a replacement for a laptop, but in fact I passed on my 2013 MBA to my son, feeling that the iPad could cover most of its duties, and I still have my MacPro for heavy-duty lifting. I do miss my MBA, it was the best computer I have ever owned, but I can't say that I'm handicapped without it.
 
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The iPad is no replacement for a MacOS, but there are a few things it has helped me with: first and foremost, sheet music. I use apps like ForScore and iGigBook and that is truly liberating, not having to schlep binders with every song I might conceivably need.
Mine is a 4th-gen cellular model with 128GB, and I have a little Logitech keyboard, which makes it a much more usable all-round device.
I mention the storage because 128GB on an iOS device is way more than 256GB is on a Mac. Mail on Mac easily eats up like 40GB on a Mac, but iOS mail keeps all the gunk off the computer, thankfully. I used the iPad as my camera before I got my iPhone5S, and I still appreciate viewing photos on the iPad better than anywhere else.

I have found Notes to be a great help as well. I am doing some construction in my house, and the iPad is good for quickly writing down measurements, materials needed, and being able to look prices up rightaway online.

Its form factor lends itself a little better for things like this than a laptop, and I find the phone a little too small for most of these things (let alone type on at length). Also, battery life on the iPad ensures you can work on it the entire day without worrying about charging, forget about that on the phone.

I said it is not a replacement for a laptop, but in fact I passed on my 2013 MBA to my son, feeling that the iPad could cover most of its duties, and I still have my MacPro for heavy-duty lifting. I do miss my MBA, it was the best computer I have ever owned, but I can't say that I'm handicapped without it.

I completely agree. I bought a new ipad in fact.

What's important to realize that the iPad is really good for some stuff, that laptops/desktops are not as good for. What I disagree is Apple and Tim Cook's contention that the iPAd is a great general purpose computer.

I've stated this before, but I strongly suspect that the devices people will have in their lives will be a desktop, a tablet, and a smartphone. I suspect the iPad/tablet will play the role of killing off the laptop, and will actually reinvigorate the desktop, because if you are gonna own a general purpose computer, might as well own a really powerful fast one, which is cheaper, can get a lot more done quicker, and is ideally situated (with multiple monitors, a more ergonomic setup in a home office or a proper desk) to get work done.
 
What's important to realize that the iPad is really good for some stuff, that laptops/desktops are not as good for. What I disagree is Apple and Tim Cook's contention that the iPad is a great general purpose computer.

I don't disagree, but could it be the meaning of "general purpose" is shifting?

If I look at my own habits and workflow, I'd say the iPhone and iPad have become my general purpose devices, and I use the Mac for specific tasks: DAW use, photo/video editing, word processing and web design.

The one thing that could make my iPad a better GP device is select/cut/copy/paste text. That method was really designed and perfected for point and click, and the touch alternative is nowhere near as good, even frustrating. If someone cracks that particular nut, I'd have one less reason to want to go the computer to type lengthy replies on fora. ;)
 
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