Don't you find it interesting that three completely different systems using three completely different videos with three completely different users would all have the same issue? Is it your assertion there's some inherent problem with Windows 10 which would prevent anyone from using any of these three video cards with it?
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Because all of the people involved in troubleshooting this problem checked different versions of drivers, and they always end up with either driver restarts/crashes, or with blue screen caused by driver crashes.
Have you tried with older more stable drivers?
Many times a previous version is better...
Obviously they don't want people to know what it is, because it's a inconsistent buggy mess that prevents legitimate users from using their software.
But thanks so much for the "clue".
I understand all of this. However what you're asking me to believe is it is impossible to use any of these video cards with Windows 10. Do you really believe this?
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They don't want people to know how it works because knowing how something works enables people to find ways around it. It's intentional obfuscation. Furthermore it has no affect on the day to day use of Windows. Which is why I consider your having listed it as a dig at Windows.
Whenever I get a new system, I'll boot a Linux DVD/thumbdrive and zip a raw copy of the drive. (Mostly zeroes, so pretty small.)
I then install a clean OS from the Microsoft kits.
Yes, bloatware is horrible - but it doesn't come from Microsoft. And, if buy a workstation class desktop or laptop there usually is little "added value" software. Basically the base OS plus some OEM tools for firmware/driver updates and little else.
The Mac Pro isn't really necessary or relevant anymore. As Apple demonstrated on stage last week, the MacBook Pro is now capable of powering two gigantic 5k displays. Who would buy a Mac Pro now? No really, who would buy a Mac Pro when you have this insanely thin and powerful laptop capable of doing it all.
Unless, like many of us, you find a max of 16 GiB of RAM to be completely unacceptable.
Dell 3610. 128 GiB. More than 100 GiB in use. (Essentially the same hardware as the hex core MP6,1, except that Dell supports 4 times more RAM than Apple.)
16 GiB is for toys.
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There are only two conclusions one can draw:
- There is an inherent issue with Windows 10 which prevents the stable use of these video cards with the operating system.
- There is something specific to the situations you've described which is causing those systems to be unstable with Windows 10 using those video cards.
Aiden already set you straight on the RAM issue. Now, have you ever heard of thermal throttling and how it affects the performance of your insanely powerful laptop? Here's a hint - many workloads (hash cracking for example) will make it crawl to 1/3 speed in less than a minute.
Yes, the option 2 has one specific situation, which causes the system to be unstable. It is Windows 10. This is the only thing as a common denominator.
So, with over 400 million copies of Windows 10 in use, you support option 2?
The problem I have with Apple is not the software. It's the hardware.
My requirements:
If I were looking for a new system today, given my requirements, do you think Apple would even be in the running for my business?
The particular operating system is of little concern to me. It's all about the hardware.
My requirements:
- Give me more hardware options.
- Allow me to build a custom system to my particular spec's (multiple or single socket/ multiple or single GPU / multiple or single drives, etc.)
- Design it to accept hardware upgrades down the road
- Price it commensurate with the components it utilizes (i.e. 4-year old tech should be cheaper)
- Keep it up to date.
If I were looking for a new system today, given my requirements, do you think Apple would even be in the running for my business?
The particular operating system is of little concern to me. It's all about the hardware.
Seriously?
The Mac Pro is essentially obsolete, but in terms of sheer processing power all but the 4 core match or exceed what the Emojibook Pro delivers when running multicore, especially in terms of GPU performance.
Anyone who needs to do heavy multi-threaded CPU bound work.
Apple's choice of GPUs may actually become useful outside of Apple programs now that Maxon is doing the heavy lifting and working to make a production ready GPU based cross platform (Nvidia/AMD) renderer.
But as always, that's coming in the future. Yippee.
I'm aware of two others: You and each one is a custom build. Having said that I'm not sure why you're arguing with me about this as you've already stated the issue is that of drivers:
"Because of rubbish GPU drivers for Win10 I had to stick to dual system policy."
The issue, by your own admission, is not with Windows 10 but rather the drivers.
Yes but the Dell runs Windows as its OS and therefore needs at least four times the RAM of a Mac to deliver usable performance.
Anyway I get the frustrations of the Mac Pro users who want a new machine. But unfortunately time has marched on and I really don't see a future for that product. For many Mac Pro users, docking a Mac with a couple of 5k displays is an incredibly attractive option.
As I have said, it happens not only on my computers but also few another.
3 builds are mine, only. I am talking about other 5 configurations, and 2 of them are prebuilt OEM/shop configs. We have been trying everything to understand where the problem lies.
Exactly the same thing happens just with different software(gaming).
Tell your designers to **** and design around hardware limitations that people need (make the trashcan and MBP bigger for example, Apples been way to form over function for too long , i love the look of the products but sometimes you have bend a little to get around restrictions.
"Things like activation, licensing, and tricking people into installing Windows 10 are really unrelated to Windows"
"These features of Windows, wholly related to Windows and only Windows are unrelated to Windows"
These items in no way, shape or form pertain to anything but Windows.
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