GOODBYE, APPLE.

[ETechMaster2002]

And only Apple would hold an event to announce price increases and smile about it...

That touch bar though does look awesome though, oh wait, $1799.... hmmmm.... it's awesome but not the world's biggest innovation that is going to change the game forever. Oh and that's not including the millions of dongles that you have to buy along with the purchase plus Apple Care +. I wouldn't be complaining about the $1799 if they INCLUDED dongles with the Macbook Pro packaging... ridiculous.

Oh and just wondering - didn't Apple discontinue Aperture a couple years back? (I don't use Aperture so I won't know) If so, take a look at the Apple's "Mac Pro Performance" page in the photography section... they forgot to update it.

 

[ITguy2016]

It's not a matter of "like". It's bad UX and it's bad UX by default that one has to climb into one of Windows 10's two control panels (lol) to disable.

This is nothing more than your opinion. It's a notification, a notification many people may find useful (hence making it an opinion). It doesn't pop up. It doesn't jump out at you. You're not prevented from doing anything with your system. It's not intrusive in any way. It is merely an entry in an area made to, you know, notify people about things.

But if it really bothers you that much...you can disable it. Microsoft had given you the choice. Period. End of discussion.

 

[SnoFlo]

Yes, the Surface Studio actually has a higher resolution than a Cintiq of approximately the same size which surprised me a bit.

That thing makes my Cintiq look cheap!

 

[Feenician]

This is nothing more than your opinion.

It is not. Notifications that tell you nothing actionable or useful are bad UX. Period.

 

[JimGoshorn]

Oh and just wondering - didn't Apple discontinue Aperture a couple years back? (I don't use Aperture so I won't know) If so, take a look at the Apple's "Mac Pro Performance" page in the photography section... they forgot to update it.

Yes they did. Interesting that they didn't update their page. Hmmm, maybe another example of how they don't pay attention to the mac pro anymore?

 

[ITguy2016]

It is not. Notifications that tell you nothing actionable or useful are bad UX. Period.

Nothing more than your opinion here. However if you want to maintain it's bad UI design please provide something other than your opinion and I'll be happy to look at it.

Oh, and it does tell the user something useful: It tells them that Windows Defender did not find anything wrong. I suspect many people would find that information useful. You do not (thus making it your opinion / preference). But again...if you don't like it Microsoft has provided you a means to easily disable it. Everyone is a winner.

 

[Feenician]

Nothing more than your opinion here. However if you want to maintain it's bad UI design please provide something other than your opinion and I'll be happy to look at it.

Oh, and it does tell the user something useful: It tells them that Windows Defender did not find anything wrong. I suspect many people would find that information useful. You do not (thus making it your opinion / preference). But again...if you don't like it Microsoft has provided you a means to easily disable it. Everyone is a winner.

People don't need to be told everything is ok. It's noise. A notifications is only required when something is not ok.

PS a quick google for the UX of positive notifications will get you want but, let's be honest, so will common sense. You just want to jam your fingers in your ears and say "la-la-la" though

https://designmodo.com/user-friendly-notifications/

It's dogs**t UX, like the rest of Windows 8 and after. HTH.

 

[SnoFlo]

There's always a few dumb things in these threads, and I'm hoping this was supposed to be sarcastic. Because, if serious, we have a winner for silliest post of the month, lol.

Some people here have must have been so glued to Apple that they have no idea what all has taken place in the past 10 years. It's 2016, more and more creative professionals are switching to PC's again, because Apple's hardware (largely GFX) just isn't cutting it. Stop having loyalty to brands, just go with the better product. It used to be PC, then it was Mac, now we're back to PC's on top. It's just a fact...there is no single Mac that can keep up with the HP Z line right now. That's not an opinion, it's simply a fact.

Absolutely. I was so happy to use Apple for my creative work in those heady days! Everyone was mostly happy on the forums. Unfortunately, Apple basically forced users like me out, or at least it feels that way. I feel a bit sad: I miss the good old days.

 

[AidenShaw]

The fact someone else is preventing you from doing so is not Microsoft's fault.

Actually, this is one of Microsoft's greatest's strengths.

If you're responsible for hundreds of thousands of endpoints - Windows give you the tools to prevent the end user from compromising your corporate security by stupidly turning off stuff.

Apple gives you something a few mm thinner, with fewer features and less performance. Send the four amigos to the pasture.

 

[ITguy2016]

People don't need to be told everything is ok. It's noise. A notifications is only required when something is not ok.

PS a quick google for the UX of positive notifications will get you want but, let's be honest, so will common sense. You just want to jam your fingers in your ears and say "la-la-la" though

https://designmodo.com/user-friendly-notifications/

It's dogs**t UX, like the rest of Windows 8 and after. HTH.

Please quote the part where it says this type of notification is bad UI design. Thanks.
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Actually, this is one of Microsoft's greatest's strengths.

If you're responsible for hundreds of thousands of endpoints - Windows give you the tools to prevent the end user from compromising your corporate security by stupidly turning off stuff.

Apple gives you something a few mm thinner, with fewer features and less performance. Send the four amigos to the pasture.

Yes, this is a strength of Windows. However he shouldn't be faulting Windows because someone is using this capability to prevent him from disabling something he doesn't agree with.

 

[Feenician]

Please quote the part where it says this type of notification is bad UI design. Thanks.

Come on dude. You're scrabbling here. It's ok, Microsoft are going to be ok. Take a deep breath.

1. Importance

...Sometimes we design notifications for pretty much every error following the usability heuristic “Visibility of system status,” but does the user really need to know? If the notification is purely informative and doesn’t require any action for the system to recover, then maybe it’s not that important...

Let it rest

 

[ITguy2016]

Come on dude. You're scrabbling here. It's ok, Microsoft are going to be ok. Take a deep breath.



Let it rest

Again I ask: Please quote the part where it states it's bad UI (or as you call it...dogs**t UX) design. What you quoted doesn't say that.

 

[Feenician]

Again I ask: Please quote the part where it states it's bad UI (or as you call it...dogs**t UX) design. What you quoted doesn't say that.

So it actually has to say the words "Bad UI" before you can understand it? Anyone can read the above and see that it means exactly that. You've reached the point where your attempts to champion something just make it look worse by virtue of insane, reaching, awkward defence.

 

[ITguy2016]

So it actually has to say the words "Bad UI" before you can understand it? Anyone can read the above and see that it means exactly that. You've reached the point where your attempts to champion something just make it look worse by virtue of insane, reaching, awkward defence.

Yes, it has to say that because that's what you claim it to be. What you quoted doesn't say, or imply as much. What it says is maybe you may not want to include it. Not that you shouldn't include it. That word maybe means the decision isn't black and white as you make it to be. The word maybe makes it subjective. Which makes it an opinion. Which takes us back to what I said earlier: It is your opinion this notification shouldn't be present.

Having said that do you have anything else? What you've provided fails on a couple of levels.

 

[poematik13]

And popup notifications that say "Hey! Everything is ok", "Just checking in again. Still ok", "Nothing to see here" are precisely the kind of crappy UX that Windows is renowned for.

I think the worst design offense is that W10 has two control panels/settings menus- the shiny new one and the legacy W7 one. Totally asinine and it's what happens when no design departments in your building talk to each other

 

[ITguy2016]

I think the worst design offense is that W10 has two control panels/settings menus- the shiny new one and the legacy W7 one. Totally asinine and it's what happens when no design departments in your building talk to each other

Windows 10 is in a transitional state. The Anniversary Update made the new one more capable and therefore there is less reliance on the old one. Surely you can understand it takes time to make the conversion?

 

[poematik13]

Windows 10 is in a transitional state. The Anniversary Update made the new one more capable and therefore there is less reliance on the old one. Surely you can understand it takes time to make the conversion?

So thats your excuse? It's a "transitional" OS? How does that benefit the end user, the one who's satisfaction is a priority for the overall UX? The one who loves using macs (98% customer sat rating year after year) and is the target for microsoft to make them "switch" to surface devices?

Literally makes zero sense, just like 90% of what microsoft does. They're a bunch of corporate suits throwing half-baked ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[Feenician]

I think the worst design offense is that W10 has two control panels/settings menus- the shiny new one and the legacy W7 one. Totally asinine and it's what happens when no design departments in your building talk to each other

Yes, I mentioned that. The OS is truly garbage from a UI and UX perspective. There's bits of Win 9x UI still lurking in there. Many different controls that accomplish the same thing but look and feel different. How many actually good "modern" apps are there that even approach the utility of their win32 counterparts? It's terrible. A vain attempt to drag along 25+ years of legacy in an OS that's supposed to be used on touch devices. The end result is something like what happens the day after a dog eats a sock.

I think they finally got rid of the Win 3.1 font panel in 10 though, didn't they? It was still in Windows 8. Yay Microsoft! Such innovation. Garbage.
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So thats your excuse? It's a "transitional" OS? How does that benefit the end user, the one who's satisfaction is a priority for the overall UX? The one who loves using macs (98% customer sat rating year after year) and is the target for microsoft to make them "switch" to surface devices?

Literally makes zero sense, just like 90% of what microsoft does. They're a bunch of corporate suits throwing half-baked ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.

How could anyone resist the incredible innovation that is a hinged screen sat atop a pizza box? Only Microsoft can innovate like that.

 

[poematik13]

I think the registry UI is still from the 95/98 days. Truly shocking, it's basically a fact that they forgot about it.

The only thing I like is the "ctrl + x" command that brings up a quick menu for system tasks, thats pretty smart. But everything else is Neanderthal dumb.

 

[SDAVE]

Jesus H. Christ it's as if we're back to 2005 where people are still arguing about Macs vs. PCs.

If Apple was so bad, Redmond wouldn't be copying Cupertino all these years.

Everyone needs to remember if Microsoft didn't exist Apple wouldn't exist and vice versa.

Microsoft's terrible products push Apple to make better products.

 

[F1Mac]

Jesus H. Christ it's as if we're back to 2005 where people are still arguing about Macs vs. PCs.

Have to agree with you here. I was reading the thread, credibility measurement, forum join dates and stuff, and then bam! Mac vs PC! Give me a mn I'll grab some pop corn brb

 

[jeff7117]

Look...people gotta make money. That's all it comes down. It doesn't matter what tools we use. People will either go OS X or windows. IMO, I consider Pro(professional) as someone who does what they do for living and get PAID. Unless this person is paying the other person to work on specific project, they can't say anything toward Pros. If Apple isn't gonna help them (Pro users), what's the point of staying with macs?

Just recently I had to go to z series because Apple is pushing me to windows with no Mac update. I still use fcpx and I'm doing fine until I get the grasp of premiere...

Let's breath in..breathe out.

This. Apple is not giving me the hardware options I need. I still love the OS, but their marriage to ATI is an issue for me. I need Nvidia for most of my software. Not to mention, I don't want to work on 3+ year old hardware any longer.

 

[iMcLovin]

Have to agree with you here. I was reading the thread, credibility measurement, forum join dates and stuff, and then bam! Mac vs PC! Give me a mn I'll grab some pop corn brb

Yeah the PC vs. Mac disucussion is just plain stupid. They are both great at a lot of things and bad at other things. Only thing bothers me, is the price vs. what you get from apple is getting worse year over year. And they keep pulling further and further back on the importance of good GPUs and strong hardware. Apple wants to be pioneers when it comes to i/o connection and flash speeds and other smaller finesses like build quality (its all about user experience) , but it ends there - and therefor they become less and less relevant in work demanding situations. But if the hardware meets your expectations and price vs. hardware is not what you care about, but instead aesthetics and UI convenience/simplicity, then apple is a better product. Its pretty much that simple in my opinion.

Lack of options/availability of todays hardware and information on future updates is what drove me away from apple. I cant let one company dictate all my plans on the machine I work on, expecially when everything they do these days seems more unpredictable than hit has been before.

 

[jeff7117]

Lack of options/availability of todays hardware and information on future updates is what drove me away from apple. I cant let one company dictate all my plans on the machine I work on, expecially when everything they do these days seems more and more odd.

Yep. Apple will fully support your xServe and xServe raid right up until it vanishes from the store and they decide to drop it in the middle of the night. Same thing for Aperture, Shake, FCP7, the list goes on and on. Absolutely ZERO notification on new products or cancellation of old products. Who can plan out expenses for the fiscal year with that lack of communication?

It almost seems like the hardware choices they are making are "good enough" for most people rather than the "best" they can offer. Not to mention, the desire to make every damn thing super thin is reaching a point of diminishing returns.

I want choice. I don't want soldered in RAM, and while it seems like a novel idea to dump the PCI slot, I'm afraid it will be around for many, many years.

 

[ITguy2016]

So thats your excuse? It's a "transitional" OS? How does that benefit the end user, the one who's satisfaction is a priority for the overall UX? The one who loves using macs (98% customer sat rating year after year) and is the target for microsoft to make them "switch" to surface devices?

Literally makes zero sense, just like 90% of what microsoft does. They're a bunch of corporate suits throwing half-baked ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.

I didn't say it was a transitional OS. I said it was in a state of transition. Nor am I making excuses. I am informing you of the reason behind the two settings...one is a carry over from generations old versions of Windows the other is the new direction. Apple has had similar inconsistencies in their UI (think back to when they introduced brushed metal).

Having said that if this is the worst design offense you can find about Windows then I'd say there's no show stopper here for a Mac user to transition to Windows.
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Have to agree with you here. I was reading the thread, credibility measurement, forum join dates and stuff, and then bam! Mac vs PC! Give me a mn I'll grab some pop corn brb

I am attempting to avoid a Mac versus PC debate. However Apples neglect of the Mac Pro has many people considering a move to Windows. With this consideration the anti-Windows forum members have felt the need to attack Windows (you are aware the person you are agreeing with did just this and was the one who brought up the forum join date as a form of credibility measure, aren't you?) with incorrect or opinionated information I feel it appropriate to correct the former and call out the latter as opinion. This is to ensure those considering the switch are provided accurate information so they can make the determination themselves.

The faults presented thus far seem, relatively speaking, minor and should be given minimal consideration for anyone considering the move to Windows. Windows isn't perfect. It has its faults. The same can be said about macOS. To brand Windows a POS because of these issues says more about those being critical than it does of the OS.