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Tig Bitties

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isn't that old Pixel 4 XL? Not the new Pixel 5.
 
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Carlo Aguilar Castrat

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I normally don't do these comparisons because they kinda don't make sense but the same day Google launches the Pixel 5 for 699 Xiaomi launched the Mi 10T and 10T Pro with ridiculous specs for way less money...


My Pixel 2 XL has served me well for the last 3 years but it's starting to get long in the tooth, I really want to like the Pixel 5 but it just doesn't want me to.
wow, how much has your battery degraded after 3 years of use? is it still good battery life?
 

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Yeah, it's definitely a different design change. Same with the upcoming iPhone 12s.. ever since the iPhone X, it's been same notch and rounded corners. Now, Apple has somewhat went back in time to the days of iPhone 5 with the squared edges.

But as you just mention, we all have our own personal preference and there's plenty of choices out there. And I recall seeing a comment regarding rumored iPhone 12 pricing. I suspect the iPhone Mini going to be between $699-$749, I would be shocked if Apple prices it at $649.
new leaks say iphone 12 mini will cost 649. Cant expect them to price a "mini" phone for the same price their previous iphone 11 was. wouldnt make sense. "mini" implies its less expensive
 
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Carlo Aguilar Castrat

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I don’t agree that “mini” implies that it’s less expensive—it just implies that it’s smaller, IMO.
every mini device apple has ever made is cheaper than the regular sized one. iPhone 11 was a full sized iphone for 699. They cant release a "mini" iphone for the same price. Its smalller and therefore costs less. Even smaller apple watches cost less than the bigger ones
 

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every mini device apple has ever made is cheaper than the regular sized one. iPhone 11 was a full sized iphone for 699. They cant release a "mini" iphone for the same price. Its smalller and therefore costs less. Even smaller apple watches cost less than the bigger ones

Not saying your wrong. But Apple could easily price the Mini at entry $699. At this point, this is new territory for Apple... they never announced 4 iPhones at one time. I recall them releasing 3 iPhones back in 2017... with them going all in with the 1k iPhone X.

Not trying to compare the two.. but I wouldn’t be surprised if Samsung has a clue on the direction Apple is leading. Samsung didn’t hold back this year... they raised the stakes, didn’t budge on prices for their devices.
 

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every mini device apple has ever made is cheaper than the regular sized one. iPhone 11 was a full sized iphone for 699. They cant release a "mini" iphone for the same price. Its smalller and therefore costs less. Even smaller apple watches cost less than the bigger ones

Not true. The iPad Mini starts at $399 right now while the iPad is $329.
 
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Carlo Aguilar Castrat

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Not saying your wrong. But Apple could easily price the Mini at entry $699. At this point, this is new territory for Apple... they never announced 4 iPhones at one time. I recall them releasing 3 iPhones back in 2017... with them going all in with the 1k iPhone X.

Not trying to compare the two.. but I wouldn’t be surprised if Samsung has a clue on the direction Apple is leading. Samsung didn’t hold back this year... they raised the stakes, didn’t budge on prices for their devices.
I guess, but i just saw a new leak today saying the mini will cost 649 for 64gb and 699 for 128gb. With the iphone 12 max or just "regular" iphone 12 for 749.
 

tbayrgs

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The iPad Mini also has 64GB of storage and a laminated screen.

It's smaller... but it's got more expensive stuff inside.
The iPad mini counterpart is always the iPad Air from its inception, and the mini remains cheaper. It just didn’t get a facelift this time around.

Agree, though with the iPad now using the A12 CPU, the difference is really only the display.

The point though, was in response to the previous poster who stated,

every mini device apple has ever made is cheaper than the regular sized one

And as you’ve both pointed out, Mini doesn’t always mean ‘cheaper’ at Apple.
 

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Looks like the video is greatly improved. Quality and stabilization seemed good and the mic seemed a lot better than on the 4.
 

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Looks like the video is greatly improved. Quality and stabilization seemed good and the mic seemed a lot better than on the 4.

Didn’t watch yet but saw a quick synopsis of the vid on Android Central in my news feed. Glad to see those improvements but didn’t he compare it to a Galaxy S10+? That‘s a bit outdated and I’d hope it would outclass a 1 1/2 year old device that wasn’t regarded as class leading in photo/video even at it’s launch.
 

Awesomesince86

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Didn’t watch yet but saw a quick synopsis of the vid on Android Central in my news feed. Glad to see those improvements but didn’t he compare it to a Galaxy S10+? That‘s a bit outdated and I’d hope it would outclass a 1 1/2 year old device that wasn’t regarded as class leading in photo/video even at it’s launch.

Yeah. Clearly not one of the big reviewers that has every phone laying around for comparisons. That was the the newest android device he had according to the video. Still, the video quality on the 5 looked better than anything I've seen on any Pixel I've owned.
 

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I had the sage green Pixel 5 in the cart, ready to press order, but then I stopped.

Currently using the Pixel 4 XL. I'm wondering what kind of real world upgrade is the Pixel 5 to me?

I think I need real reviews first before final decision;

-Bigger and better battery life would be great. Hopefully a lot better than my 4 XL.
-Brighter display would be wanted and very needed.
-Camera better? Especially in Portrait mode, but how much better than my Pixel 4 XL?
-The slimmer size actually would be nice, easier to hold and use one handed. I do find the Pixel 4 XL on the border of just too large a phone to comfortably use. But I don't like small phones either.

But at $700 + tax now, and knowing most likely will be discounted at the holidays, makes me want to wait too. Real reviews first will help my decision.
I went through the same process with a 3XL to compare it to!

I don’t personally need a flagship model out of Google this year, but I am shaking my head at them. First off, because the 4’s didn’t sell as well as they wanted, but the 3a sold well, they apparently jumped to the conclusion Android fans aren’t looking for a flagship from them.

What they not seem to get is that the reason Pixels struggle is not because they’ve had high end specs or are expensive. It’s because for the price they have been charging, people logically look at Samsung and Apple in comparison and see that Google failed to match in terms of quality control several years in a row; inexplicably skimped on storage options, which yes Apple can get away with, but an Android merchant competing with the Chinese can not. They also chose inadequate battery capacities at least 2 years in a row that I know of. Oh and during year 3, when people reasonably expected them to have figured out the business by now, they skimped on RAM.

There is only so much compromise even a die hard Android purist can expect to accept for the prices Google was debuting its flagships at. The Pixel 4 was so promising, but hamstrung by the battery. Once word of that got out, it knocked down the pool of prospective buyers, like myself.

And they get stubbornly stupid about not bringing table stakes specs to the table when it comes to the damned cameras. Even if it seems ridiculous or unnecessary, you can’t bring a one or two lens camera with an older sensor to the table and expect to charge the same as competitors bringing state of the art camera hardware to the market. The amazing software processing tricks should be the icing on the cake, not the actual cake itself. And having a camera that is only merely adequate at video recording, when Samsung and Apple phones can offer so much more at similar price points, comes across as ignorance borne of arrogance.

That being said, I think this year’s Pixels are fine if Google has this vision for the perfect pandemic phone. I have no idea what manufacturing constraints they faced, and knowing even Apple has been humbled, I am willing to give them a pass. These phones are actually priced fine for their specs and features for people needing a new Android phone and who want it to be from Google.

But if this were an ordinary year, I’d be raging that there is no truly high end offering. That’s kind of sad. If you trade in a beautiful Pixel 4XL this year, it’s mainly to get an adequate battery, according to most comments I’ve been reading. And you will apparently see a downgrade in some specs. That is SAD.

Pixel 3XL was hamstrung by inadequate RAM and Pixel 4XL by the battery. Instead of building on the fantastic things those phones did offer and correcting the deficits, they just stripped everything back and gave us only the RAM and the battery, from what I can see. Well let’s hope by now they’ve at least got quality control well in hand.

You know my criticisms are borne out of great affection for Pixels. If they ever do decide to pick back up on developing in the direction indicated by the Pixel 4, I know they will knock my socks off.
 

Tig Bitties

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I'm somewhat interested in the Pixel 5 being a big Nexus and Pixel fan but I need to wait for real-world reviews first I want to see if the battery life is amazing like it might be and also want to see if the display is very bright like the flagships from Apple and Samsung
 

Tig Bitties

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From the videos above;

UPDATE: On 5 Oct I received an email from Vodafone saying I can't do follow-up videos
 
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