The problem is more complicated than that as they closed the API to change its behaviour with 3rd party apps. Stop conveniently ignoring this fact.
Apple has COMPLETELY limited proper workarounds on this matter.
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Green Button - Maximize, Not Full Screen
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The problem is more complicated than that as they closed the API to change its behaviour with 3rd party apps. Stop conveniently ignoring this fact.
Apple has COMPLETELY limited proper workarounds on this matter.
If app developers can't override this anymore (do you have a link for this? I'm interested) then surely that just makes the behaviour of the zoom more predictable?
Look, I don't know how to tell you this, but other than you - no one cares. You have to hold one key more to get it to work the old way, or double-click. It's practically the same. And they added some new functionality that is useful. People are not upset about this. Really.
Why would I want a iPad interface on a laptop or desktop?
This is a OS that is designed to operate for multi tasking. That green button in Yosemite is just dumb for the most part. It seems Apple is slowly killing Mac OSX and trying to unified with iOS experience.
Why is it so hard for Apple just put the function back or at least make it a option? and why is it so hard for people to understand this green button just don't for everyone?
Full screen on a laptop does not diminish multitasking or make it like an iPad. CMD-TAB or touchpad gestures flip between apps. Full screen is awesome on tiny screens like the MBA 11" or the rMB 12". I use it almost exclusively on my laptops when I'm not connected to a larger monitor. This is with 10+ apps open and 1-6 VMs running. Hardly diminished multitasking.
I don't disagree that it should be an option. But I do think you're being just as close minded as those who think it shouldn't be an option with how you speak about fullscreen.
The problem is with people (particularly in this thread) that aren't even open to a SINGLE tick box in system preferences as an OPTION that would have NO effect on their experience. These guys here are so narrowminded they don't even want to open up the API to allow for 3rd party developers to release software that will adjust it without affecting OS X to them at all, EVER.
This is some of the highest level of arrogance I've ever seen.
Statements like these disqualify you from good discussions. You clearly seem so upset about this that you misunderstand or even ignore that most if not all commenters in this thread are not against adding an option to change the behaviour of the green button at all. Most simply do not care as much about this, either because they like fullscreen mode and have found it to be a good replacement or because they can live with the option-click or double-clicking method or the availability of plenty of third-party solutions. Again, send feedback to Apple, get it to their attention. But do not assume that this is somehow a major issue everyone needs to care about and certainly do not insult them as being arrogant and narrow-minded.
No, no, you don't get it - we DO understand. We just don't care.
Oh, and btw, comparing OS X experience to iPad because of the way one button works is just ludicrous.
You are not being forced, the maximize feature is still there (Option + click). What you are trying to do is ruin others' work for your own selfish reasons. Generally a lot of people want a clean app desktop to focus on their productivity.
There should be an available option to change this but you guys are just trying to make OS X fit your needs only. We don't work the same way you do and the tablet is nowhere near the same as the full screen view.
"Does Apple have any plans to make this an option in system preferences to make the green button switch between that multitasking debacle known as 'full screen' and make it work PROPERLY like it did before and on other operating systems?"
Agree 100%.
I found this graphic on Facebook several months ago. The author has the right idea. May I suggest you sent Tim Cook an email or Tweet? I think this might be the only way to get Apple to consider adding this as an option.
I have seen several new Mac switchers return their Macs over this issue. They thought that they had gone into the "Dark Ages". Third party apps to do something this fundamental? On a machine that cost this much?
Recently, I started questioning users who felt strongly about this issue and received a new insight. Almost all the users had large screen Macs. They had purchased a large screen because they could get more icons and options on the screen. Having more icons viewable on the screen was a productivity issue for them. By hiding the Dock and Menu Bar they felt that Apple was fighting against them.
Agree 100%.
I found this graphic on Facebook several months ago. The author has the right idea. May I suggest you sent Tim Cook an email or Tweet? I think this might be the only way to get Apple to consider adding this as an option.
I have seen several new Mac switchers return their Macs over this issue. They thought that they had gone into the "Dark Ages". Third party apps to do something this fundamental? On a machine that cost this much?
Recently, I started questioning users who felt strongly about this issue and received a new insight. Almost all the users had large screen Macs. They had purchased a large screen because they could get more icons and options on the screen. Having more icons viewable on the screen was a productivity issue for them. By hiding the Dock and Menu Bar they felt that Apple was fighting against them.
If this is a reason to return their Macs, please, let them go and may they never return.
One thing I find when using option plus click or double click: sometimes app window doesn't stretch as we thought. And apple didn't solve this issue. I know this is different from app to app, but sometimes this makes me feel confusing.
I second that - OS X is a document orientated UI paradigm, Windows is an application orientated paradigm hence the two operating systems behave in different ways. In all due respects to those 'converts' if they cannot handle not having every single application maximised then I really have to ask whether they'd be better off going back to a single tasking operating system if they find the concept of multi-tasking and over lapping windows oh-so difficult to understand.
Or the vast majority adapt to the fact that the operating system behaves differently rather than stomping their feet like a spoilt child demanding that the universe accommodate the fact that they refuse to adapt to a new environment. Do you know why people 'maximise' their window? because that is what they've been doing ever since they had their Windows computer - a habit born out of the fact that they were never taught basic operating system fundamentals on how to multitask efficiently using a GUI operating system so there is this half baked single tasking idea in their mind and hap-hazard randomly moving their mouse around clicking on anything within reach hoping something will happen - not having the foggiest idea of what they're actually doing.
"Or the vast majority adapt to the fact that the operating system behaves differently rather than stomping their feet like a spoilt child demanding that the universe accommodate the fact that they refuse to adapt to a new environment. Do you know why people 'maximise' their window? because that is what they've been doing ever since they had their Windows computer - a habit born out of the fact that they were never taught basic operating system fundamentals on how to multitask efficiently using a GUI operating system so there is this half baked single tasking idea in their mind and hap-hazard randomly moving their mouse around clicking on anything within reach hoping something will happen - not having the foggiest idea of what they're actually doing."
These are professional, polite people with a different work flow then you have. They are not acting liked spoiled children. They are only asking for an option to set the behavior of the maximize button so they can maximize their productivity.
Are you against them having that option and becoming a new member of the Mac Community?
These are professional, polite people with a different work flow then you have. They are not acting liked spoiled children. They are only asking for an option to set the behavior of the maximize button so they can maximize their productivity.
Are you against them having that option and becoming a new member of the Mac Community?
So it seems that windows teaches users using computer in a not so good way. However not everyone need to learn operating system in-depth, and for many other users, software is rubbish = software doesn't run as they naturally think and they cannot accept new ways in a timely fashion. Unfortunately windows dominates desktop pc market, and laptop market.
Therefore some users will surely find mac OS X maximise is quite different from what windows are doing.
You know from Windows 7 I can simply drag a window to maximise it when window edge reaches the top of desktop. And now when I use El Capitan, this same action will bring that app, to nowhere (I mean nothing special happen) or to a new desktop, with that single app full screen. I don't think mac ways are bad, although I sometimes think windows ways is more handy.
THANK YOU.
YES!!! This is EXACTLY what absolutely MUST be implemented into OS X. I don't even care if the default behaviour is full screen, let the whiners in this thread have their precious fullscreen function as default, so as long as everyone is happy, there is no reason why Apple can't and should add this into System Preferences.
I don't understand the hostility towards this OPTION, why are there so many arrogant mac users against choice? Would a system preferences pane like that be SO bothersome to them that it'd make their lives so bad? Would it even bother them if Apple simply opened up the API and allowed 3rd party developers to make apps that let power users adjust the behaviour, thereby, leaving the whiners without reason to complain about the green button being changed?
It doesn't affect them AT ALL. Someone please explain to me this obtuse behaviour.
"YES!!! This is EXACTLY what absolutely MUST be implemented into OS X. I don't even care if the default behavior is full screen Apple should add this into System Preferences."
May I suggest you send Tim Cook or Craig Federighi an email or a tweet on Twitter? This is the only way this option will be added! I don't know Craig's email address but Tim Cook's twitter account is easy to find.
May I suggest you send Tim Cook or Craig Federighi an email or a tweet on Twitter? This is the only way this option will be added! I don't know Craig's email address but Tim Cook's twitter account is easy to find.
So what I can see is: if I use option + click, I should be able to see effect 1 or 3 (I number those effects from left to right from 1 to 3). And if I click it normally, it should gives me effect 2. However, what I know is: effect 1 or 3 is not always going as expected. And apple should fix it asap.
I don't really mind having a different way to get full screen. What I do mind is if program can work as advertised, or as expected.
Why do many users want this feature? Please fill in the _________________________
I have asked users this question many times and receive passionate answers. Recently one user gave me an answer that provided a new insight.
This user told me that he purchased a large screen so he could get more menus and icons on his screen. Having more Dock icons and menu options viewable on the screen was a productivity issue for him. Having these on screen provided quick visual feedback for maximum speed and productivity. By hiding the Dock and Menu Bar he felt that Apple was fighting against him.
Personally, I see his point, however, I also understand those who want to hide both the menu bar and the dock for more usable space.
This is why I believe an Option to set the default behavior of the Maximize button in System Preferences would be an excellent choice for Apple.
If you agree, may I request that you send Apple Feedback at:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
In addition, A quick tweet or email to Tim Cook might be beneficial.
Thank you.
I have asked users this question many times and receive passionate answers. Recently one user gave me an answer that provided a new insight.
This user told me that he purchased a large screen so he could get more menus and icons on his screen. Having more Dock icons and menu options viewable on the screen was a productivity issue for him. Having these on screen provided quick visual feedback for maximum speed and productivity. By hiding the Dock and Menu Bar he felt that Apple was fighting against him.
Personally, I see his point, however, I also understand those who want to hide both the menu bar and the dock for more usable space.
This is why I believe an Option to set the default behavior of the Maximize button in System Preferences would be an excellent choice for Apple.
If you agree, may I request that you send Apple Feedback at:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
In addition, A quick tweet or email to Tim Cook might be beneficial.
Thank you.
Previous to Yosemite option 1 was the default behavior. The inconsistencies in window sizing drove many users nuts.
Option 2 (Full Screen, no menu or dock) is the new default in Yosemite and El Capitan.
Option 3 is the way Windows and Linux work - Maximize window to fill all desktop space while leaving the menu and dock visible. Not having this option drives many former windows users absolutely nuts!
What the normal click does depends on whether the app has been designed to support full screen or not. A lot of older apps don't. Admittedly that includes some first party apps which Apple has chosen not to touch.
There are already third party applications which can change the behavior of windows in Mac OS.
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