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But none of those things apply
None of what things do not apply?
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exactly right.
I try to upgrade annually on my hardware [except Mac Pro obviously.....] and maybe lose 50% of the original cost. However if you look at in a slightly different way, the money generated from the computer it is an extremely low cost tax deductible tool
I always loved those "Spend a dollar to save 25 cents" arguments. Setting that aside if the money generated from buying a newer, faster computer offsets the acquisition cost (which in many cases it does) doesn't that support the idea that Apple should update the Mac Pro in a time frame shorter than three years (and counting)?
 
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None of what things do not apply?
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I always loved those "Spend a dollar to save 25 cents" arguments. Setting that aside if the money generated from buying a newer, faster computer offsets the acquisition cost (which in many cases it does) doesn't that support the idea that Apple should update the Mac Pro in a time frame shorter than three years?

the very first..both the cMP and the nMP both use Xeon processors so the same engine prius' and trucks don't use the same engine
 
I think it's fairly clear that Apple is phasing itself out of the computer business altogether. iPads and iPhones are their go to devices for computing at this point. I wouldn't expect a new Mac OS after Sierra. It was a good run though from 1997-2011.
 
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the very first..both the cMP and the nMP both use Xeon processors so the same engine prius' and trucks don't use the same engine
Why do they have to use the same engine? The Prius is quiet...like the nMP. The Prius is energy efficient...like the nMP:

nMP -> Prius
cMP -> truck

External storage -> trailer
Internal storage -> truck
 
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I do respect everyone's needs for a MAC PRO machine, and this lack of updates baffles me, I can't fathom why.
I might be able to offer some insight though. My needs are,or will be served by the new1.3 MacBook, a delicious piece of KIT, (the first one I bought last year was commandeered by my retired Wife, who's needs are less as well) With our iPhones, and MacBook's, we'll be computing on the road in the MotorHome. The "minimalist" approach works for us, and maybe others are feeling the same?. If sales are low, Apple indeed may be ready to pull the plug. To bad for those who desire an update, but keep up hope!!
 
I have to agree and say that the nMP is a very quiet system, indeed.

Of course eveything is subjective and depends on the load.

Anyway this is not something new to argue about, these are old news.
 
I have to agree and say that the nMP is a very quiet system, indeed.

Of course eveything is subjective and depends on the load.

Anyway this is not something new to argue about, these are old news.
I'd agree it would be old news except for the fact someone just recently implied it is not quiet.
 
F5 is entitle to his opinion. However he needs to keep in mind it is just that: An opinion.

huh? my opinion on what? i don't even feel like i'm talking opinions but you keep going back to "well that's just your opinion so it doesn't matter"
???

what's the opinion of mine that's setting you off ?
are you sure you're reading what i'm writing?
 
nMP may have been accused for many things, but it is certainly quiet.

It's a great feature to have: the silence.

And the low heat.

And the small space.

And the speed.

And the dropping price.

I'm even ok if there is a MACexit.

 
huh? my opinion on what? i don't even feel like i'm talking opinions but you keep going back to "well that's just your opinion so it doesn't matter"
???

what's the opinion of mine that's setting you off ?
are you sure you're reading what i'm writing?
Yeah, this is the era we live in where people get very confused - they think facts are just opinions and they think opinions can be facts. The other favorite thing to do around here is to stick words into people's mouths and then tell you how wrong you are about something you never said in the first place. Then you explain you didn't say that, and they just move the goal post. A certain amount of it is just poor reading comprehension, but most of it is just people being d-bags because they can get away with it. (edit: I want to amend this slightly - yes, a good part of it is the d-bag angle for some people, but I think just as much of it is that people are so invested in their beliefs that they project the antithesis of those beliefs on anyone who doesn't whole-heartedly share them... they essentially read into it because that's what they expect to find).

The Mac Pro forum in particular is very much like certain "news" forums that have a political bent - the extremists on one side are so "vocal" that they bully everyone else out, and eventually most people who don't share their extremism don't stick around - that's why it seems like there's an overwhelming majority who share the same opinion here, even though they are a tiny minority in the reality of the "real world".

The extremists aren't interested in facts or truths, or different perspectives, or what is logical... they just want to wallow in the bitterness and anger, and if you don't share that to the same extent as them, there's no place for you here.
 
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And he expresses as his opinion..

No one answered his question earlier about what finished product they could produce on the cMP that they cannot on the nMP and I thing the reason is there is none.

I can finish jobs a hell of a lot faster on a cMP 3,1 than I can on a 6,1. External PCIE to Thunderbolt enclosures have proven to be flakey, and I am trying to decrypt data 24/7. cMP with a couple of GTX 970s does a fine job. Beats the hell out of the crippled 7970s (D700s) in my nMP.

Can I get it done on nMP, yes - but time is money. Hopefully eGPU on TB3 with Sierra will be backwards compatible with TB2 machines. Something tells me that enterprising individuals will make this happen.
 
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I always loved those "Spend a dollar to save 25 cents" arguments. Setting that aside if the money generated from buying a newer, faster computer offsets the acquisition cost (which in many cases it does) doesn't that support the idea that Apple should update the Mac Pro in a time frame shorter than three years (and counting)?
The first shipment of Mac Pro 6,1 was 19th December 2013 so it's only 2.5 years so far. Very few systems were shipped in 2013 (partly because of the Xmas & New Year holidays) & there were delays of up to several months between order & shipment in the first half of 2014.
It will be a bad sign if no new system ships before the AppleCare expires on those early systems so that the only alternative for full service & support is to buy a new identical model to the one purchased three years previously. The usual cycle for leasing is three years too.
 
The first shipment of Mac Pro 6,1 was 19th December 2013 so it's only 2.5 years so far. Very few systems were shipped in 2013 (partly because of the Xmas & New Year holidays) & there were delays of up to several months between order & shipment in the first half of 2014.
It will be a bad sign if no new system ships before the AppleCare expires on those early systems so that the only alternative for full service & support is to buy a new identical model to the one purchased three years previously. The usual cycle for leasing is three years too.
I used the October 2013 introduction date from EveryMac. I feel it's a reasonable date to use when discussing the technology in the nMP. If you want to discuss the length of time they've been in use by customers then I feel the minimum date would be the December 2013 shipping date.
 
With this long of a wait we better see a complete overhaul and an apology.

How about a "End of Life" notice instead? It really is time we all started considering this. And start considering a unique and different way of doing what we need to do. Not just different but better. Would an entry Level iMac Pro with 6 core xeon and 32 Gig 256 capable for $3000 connected to a Powercolor "Devil Box" External Fury X2 or 1080ti not be acceptable? Maybe you need the new Rack-mount Cubix Thunderbolt extender with 4 Tesla's or Intel Phi co processors. Heck ... while your at it upgrade the Ram to 256 and get 18 core low power xeon. Then use the 5k iMac Pro's screen as your Samples window and drag videos into your Premier Pro on your matching Samsung 42" 8k Monitors for editing and preview. Come on guys ... It might not be as bad as we are all making it.
 
Here's an opinion: we all love to argue and it doesn't matter what anyone else says because the joy is in the arguing. And that is particularly true when it comes to the nMP because it is clearly a niche business for Apple and no matter how much love Apple seemed to show for it when it came out, it now seems like a bastard stepchild, with the red hair and big ears, not having anything against either, but until a person grows into them, they seem awkward. In the case of the nMP, the lack of flexibility, the fact that there have been improvements in graphics necessitated by the move to UHD, and the need for even larger files to accommodate UHD, which all seem to be beyond nMP's capability at this time, and the lack of any roadmap from Apple, which it never does anyway, leads everyone to speculation and concern, and the only way we're going to find out is just wait, just wait, and who wants to do that?

I'm glad that I don't need my cMP for professional purposes, because I know that it's old and slow compared to current systems, and it can't process UHD in its current configuration, but then I don't need it to, and my only skin in this game is that I love Apple products and I hate it when they seem to do something less than smart, and then explain it in a way that doesn't leave them any avenue to fix it without admitting they screwed up, because no likes to do that. So the question is will they? Admit they screwed up? WWSD? He would fix it and suggest that's what he had in mind all along. Time to fix the nMP.
 
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Why does it have to be "put drives in&out of computers all day"? Can't it be "Install four internal hard drives? What about installing various PCIe cards? Did you forget about that aspect?

What you think is irrelevant. What makes you feel your thoughts override others needs? You continue to miss this one important aspect: It's not about you and what you think.

Sorry, but his thoughts do matter. As do yours. And while we are at it .... everyone's. I do wish Apple listened to us more but as much as it pisses me off that Apple doesn't do just exactly what "I THINK" doesn't mean I am locked out of getting done what I need to. Here is a challenge to everyone, Give me any example of what you Cannot do with a nMac Pro or the even Newer iMac Pro thats coming to replace it. Then let's see if anyone here has a solution for you. You may not like the price but then you could just stay with your Classic. Did anyone else here notice how Classic really sounds. Ever seen a Classic Movie or Classic Car. I love all my Classics. I even happen to be one myself. Watching my younger Brother "26" edit our Dirt bike riding video on his iPad really made think.
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Here's an opinion: we all love to argue and it doesn't matter what anyone else says because the joy is in the arguing. And that is particularly true when it comes to the nMP because it is clearly a niche business for Apple and no matter how much love Apple seemed to show for it when it came out, it now seems like a bastard stepchild, with the red hair and big ears, not having anything against either, but until a person grows into them, they seem awkward. In the case of the nMP, the lack of flexibility, the fact that there have been improvements in graphics necessitated by the move to UHD, and the need for even larger files to accommodate UHD, which all seem to be beyond nMP's capability at this time, and the lack of any roadmap from Apple, which it never does anyway, leads everyone to speculation and concern, and the only way we're going to find out is just wait, just wait, and who wants to do that?

I'm glad that I don't need my cMP for professional purposes, because I know that it's old and slow compared to current systems, and it can't process UHD in its current configuration, but then I don't need it to, and my only skin in this game is that I love Apple products and I hate it when they seem to do something less than smart, and then explain it in a way that doesn't leave them any avenue to fix it without admitting they screwed up, because no likes to do that. So the question is will they? Admit they screwed up? WWSD? He would fix it and suggest that's what he had in mind all along. Time to fix the nMP.


Maybe you can grab them by their Big Ears or red hair and if you keep screaming "You screwed up" ... LOL You might convince them. I kinda doubt it. They didn't give you what you wanted. Others are happy. While you are insulting them or physically abusing them, I would like to ask WHY they have made us wait to see where they are headed. Thats the real issue for me ....... the Silence. Silence of the Red headed Big Floppy Eared Apple Lambs ... LMBO.
 
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As an ex-owner of the nMP, I can assure you it is anything but quiet under load. Just put both gpus in crossfire and run a demanding game or benchmark that utilizes it. All the hot air disposal is done from the top opening and sounds almost like a turbine. You don't just hear a fan going crazy. You actually hear the hot air blowing from the top.

Oh, and while this is happening, don't think of touching its surface if you value your hands.

To be fair: when not stressed, it is entirely silent, or near it. But under load, it is louder than the custom PC I have now (probably a good/quality PC case absorbs a considerable amount of noise).
 
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