Has Apple finally given up on the MP?

[Appleaker]

Is this whole thread a joke? You seem to have come to the conclusion that the Mac Pro is almost confirmed to be abandoned!? It hasn't even been 3 years since the release of the latest Mac Pro, let alone 4 years. Of course they haven't given up on it! They don't see a Mac Pro as their $3000+ machine to outdate every year by introducing a new model. Apple sees the upgrade cycle for Macs to be around 3 - 4 years, and give that it hasn't even been 3 years, expect an update later this year or at least within the next 12 months.

Of course it would be good for those of us thinking of getting the Mac Pro now or half way through the refresh cycle, but that's not the point. Any update they make would have to be significant in almost every aspect in order to appeal and be a worthy upgrade over the previous gen. Right now a new model would be significant due to the advancements made in the last 3 years (or as you would like to refer to it, "48 months").

I am not saying I like Apples approach, I don't and agree with you that it is very disappointing, but that's how it is.

 

[ITguy2016]

Sorry, but his thoughts do matter. As do yours.

You need to go back and re-read for context. I said it's not about what he thinks when he's applying his criteria in an attempt to invalidate someone elses criteria. When I say I want a system to which I can add internal storage it is not appropriate for him to respond with "No you don't...you can get by just fine with TB and external storage". You did the exact thing:

And while we are at it .... everyone's. I do wish Apple listened to us more but as much as it pisses me off that Apple doesn't do just exactly what "I THINK" doesn't mean I am locked out of getting done what I need to. Here is a challenge to everyone, Give me any example of what you Cannot do with a nMac Pro or the even Newer iMac Pro thats coming to replace it. Then let's see if anyone here has a solution for you. You may not like the price but then you could just stay with your Classic. Did anyone else here notice how Classic really sounds. Ever seen a Classic Movie or Classic Car. I love all my Classics. I even happen to be one myself. Watching my younger Brother "26" edit our Dirt bike riding video on his iPad really made think.

You have been provided examples: Add internal storage, swap out the graphics cards, install PCIe cards, etc. Instead of acknowledging people want a truck nMP advocates shoot back with "A Prius with a trailer can do all of what a truck can". They're hell bent on telling people they don't really need a truck.

 

[rockyromero]

As an ex-owner of the nMP, I can assure you it is anything but quiet under load. Just put both gpus in crossfire and run a demanding game or benchmark that utilizes it. All the hot air disposal is done from the top opening and sounds almost like a turbine. You don't just hear a fan going crazy. You actually hear the hot air blowing from the top.

So I have yet to experience this.

I will not test it by stressing a production machine.

Good to know that I have greater stress, sound and heat bandwidth.

➰

 

[AidenShaw]

"A Prius with a trailer can do all of what a truck can".

And if one trailer isn't enough, you can daisy-chain up to six of them!

 

[filmak]

It hasn't even been 3 years since the release of the latest Mac Pro, let alone 4 years. Of course they haven't given up on it!

If this is not a joke,, do you have any resources, any proofs? so we can be more confident?

Apple sees the upgrade cycle for Macs to be around 3 - 4 years

Since when? Where is this coming from?

Just copying from the Buyers guide for MP:
Days since last release 926 Dec 2013
Average 449
Recent releases
556 Jun 2012
685 Jul 2010
511 Mar 2009
420 Jan 2008
279 Apr 2007
240 Aug 2006

So the average days are 449, only now we have this 926+ days since last update for MP.
iMacs: Average 317 days
MBP: Average 268 days
and so on, you can check them by yourself.
So a delay like the current one is something new, so it's logical to wonder if the MP will folow the TBD luck.
I don't know for how long are you using Mac Pros, or Macs in general, anyway, it's a given that the MPs where always expensive, the big difference was that they had more frequent updates.

 

[flat five]

You need to go back and re-read for context. I said it's not about what he thinks when he's applying his criteria in an attempt to invalidate someone elses criteria. When I say I want a system to which I can add internal storage it is not appropriate for him to respond with "No you don't...you can get by just fine with TB and external storage".

you get it that i'm reading the thread still, right?
and that i've asked you direct questions to which you've not responded..
which is fine but why dodge my question only to continue talking about 'he' (me) and further, put something in quotes that i've said which i absolutely never said
???


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it's appearing ixxx69 was spot on with his assessment on pg5.
; )

 

[ITguy2016]

you get it that i'm reading the thread still, right?
and that i've asked you direct questions to which you've not responded..
which is fine but why dodge my question only to continue talking about 'he' (me) and further, put something in quotes that i've said which i absolutely never said
???


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it's appearing ixxx69 was spot on with his assessment on pg5.
; )

Yes, I am aware you're still here. The reason I am not responding is because "discussions" with you always seem to end in juvenile bickering (and I include myself as a guilty party as well). Therefore in the interests of avoiding such an outcome I have decided to avoid responding to you. I will do the same to your response to this post of mine.

 

[filmak]

Peace...
Has Apple finally given up on the MP?

 

[pat500000]

Is this whole thread a joke? You seem to have come to the conclusion that the Mac Pro is almost confirmed to be abandoned!? It hasn't even been 3 years since the release of the latest Mac Pro, let alone 4 years. Of course they haven't given up on it! They don't see a Mac Pro as their $3000+ machine to outdate every year by introducing a new model. Apple sees the upgrade cycle for Macs to be around 3 - 4 years, and give that it hasn't even been 3 years, expect an update later this year or at least within the next 12 months.

Of course it would be good for those of us thinking of getting the Mac Pro now or half way through the refresh cycle, but that's not the point. Any update they make would have to be significant in almost every aspect in order to appeal and be a worthy upgrade over the previous gen. Right now a new model would be significant due to the advancements made in the last 3 years (or as you would like to refer to it, "48 months").

I am not saying I like Apples approach, I don't and agree with you that it is very disappointing, but that's how it is.

If this was a joke, everyone would be laughing.

 

[filmak]

 

[Appleaker]

If this is not a joke,, do you have any resources, any proofs? so we can be more confident?



Since when? Where is this coming from?

Just copying from the Buyers guide for MP:
Days since last release 926 Dec 2013
Average 449
Recent releases
556 Jun 2012
685 Jul 2010
511 Mar 2009
420 Jan 2008
279 Apr 2007
240 Aug 2006

So the average days are 449, only now we have this 926+ days since last update for MP.
iMacs: Average 317 days
MBP: Average 268 days
and so on, you can check them by yourself.
So a delay like the current one is something new, so it's logical to wonder if the MP will folow the TBD luck.
I don't know for how long are you using Mac Pros, or Macs in general, anyway, it's a given that the MPs where always expensive, the big difference was that they had more frequent updates.

I don't need proof to tell you that the current gen Mac Pro hasn't been out for 3 years yet. By upgrade cycle I meant they see it as the point at which users upgrade their Mac. I am not talking about when Apple upgrades the product. That varies from Mac to Mac. You'll have to wait and see but I do believe it will follow the path of the TBD in the sense that it will be updated soon.

 

[ITguy2016]

I don't need proof to tell you that the current gen Mac Pro hasn't been out for 3 years yet. By upgrade cycle I meant they see it as the point at which users upgrade their Mac. I am not talking about when Apple upgrades the product. That varies from Mac to Mac. You'll have to wait and see but I do believe it will follow the path of the TBD in the sense that it will be updated soon.

Everyone upgrades on a different schedule. If Apple were to release a new Mac Pro I'm sure many owners of the current Mac Pro would upgrade.

 

[filmak]

I do believe it will follow the path of the TBD

TBD was discontinued. "There are other great third party products" they said.

 

[Appleaker]

rent schedule. If Apple were to r

Everyone upgrades on a different schedule. If Apple were to release a new Mac Pro I'm sure many owners of the current Mac Pro would upgrade.

That's true but at the same time not everybody has $3000+ to spend on upgrading their Mac Pro often and may be annoyed at their model being outdated and not prioritized by Apple (even though it will be supported), just 1 - 2 years after it was released.
This Mac pro is not as upgradeable as previous generations so upgrading it is a bigger deal and not the same as the towers.

 

[filmak]

I don't need proof to tell you that the current gen Mac Pro hasn't been out for 3 years yet

Yes, of course, we know, we can count too, but you need proof for this

Apple sees the upgrade cycle for Macs to be around 3 - 4 years,

I think

 

[Appleaker]

Yes, of course, we know, we can count too, but you need proof for this


I think

Well I don't have any proof that I can show you so you can take my word for it or disregard it.

 

[filmak]

Well I don't have any proof that I can show you so you can take my word for it or disregard it.

It's ok then, I' ll take your word. Sorry fot insisting, I thought you knew someting more.

Thank you.

 

[ITguy2016]

That's true but at the same time not everybody has $3000+ to spend on upgrading their Mac Pro often and may be annoyed at their model being outdated and not prioritized by Apple (even though it will be supported), just 1 - 2 years after it was released.
This Mac pro is not as upgradeable as previous generations so upgrading it is a bigger deal and not the same as the towers.

So everyone else is supposed to accept three year old technology because a few people may be annoyed? What about someone who buys a Mac Pro today? Should Apple hold off on updating the Mac Pro to ensure these buyers aren't annoyed by a new model being released within a three year period of time? Should Apple halt all sales of the Mac Pro and then, in three years, release a new model? This will ensure no buyer of a Mac Pro is annoyed that their Mac Pro didn't become outdated.

The reality is the current Mac Pro is outdated. It may be Apple's current offering but the technology is dated. The fact Apple is still selling dated technology at the same cost as when it wasn't dated is inexcusable.

 

[Appleaker]

So everyone else is supposed to accept three year old technology because a few people may be annoyed? What about someone who buys a Mac Pro today? Should Apple hold off on updating the Mac Pro to ensure these buyers aren't annoyed by a new model being released within a three year period of time? Should Apple halt all sales of the Mac Pro and then, in three years, release a new model? This will ensure no buyer of a Mac Pro is annoyed that their Mac Pro didn't become outdated.

The reality is the current Mac Pro is outdated. It may be Apple's current offering but the technology is dated. The fact Apple is still selling dated technology at the same cost as when it wasn't dated is inexcusable.

I completely agree as I said in my previous post, it's very misleading but I guess they expect people who want to buy a Mac Pro today to look into it and wait for the next one but that's still no excuse and forces people who need a Mac Pro today to go to Windows or buy outdated technology if they can't wait.

 

[ITguy2016]

I completely agree as I said in my previous post, it's very misleading but I guess they expect people who want to buy a Mac Pro today to look into it and wait for the next one but that's still no excuse and forces people who need a Mac Pro today to go to Windows or buy outdated technology if they can't wait.

I believe most people are willing to wait a reasonable amount of time for an update. However, at 900+ days and counting, people are starting to wonder if there is even going to be an update. Apple's secrecy may work for consumer products. It was accepted for their professional products because, historically, they had always provided regular updates. However we have not seen regular updates the past five or six years. In fact the time between updates is increasing...now being measured in years. Unacceptable for people making a living with their professional products.

 

[JimGoshorn]

Maybe there just aren't enough people here who remember the days when Apple updated their Quadras, PowerMacs and MacPros fairly often.

 

[thats all folks]

Is this whole thread a joke? You seem to have come to the conclusion that the Mac Pro is almost confirmed to be abandoned!? It hasn't even been 3 years since the release of the latest Mac Pro, let alone 4 years. Of course they haven't given up on it! They don't see a Mac Pro as their $3000+ machine to outdate every year by introducing a new model. Apple sees the upgrade cycle for Macs to be around 3 - 4 years, and give that it hasn't even been 3 years, expect an update later this year or at least within the next 12 months.

Of course it would be good for those of us thinking of getting the Mac Pro now or half way through the refresh cycle, but that's not the point. Any update they make would have to be significant in almost every aspect in order to appeal and be a worthy upgrade over the previous gen. Right now a new model would be significant due to the advancements made in the last 3 years (or as you would like to refer to it, "48 months").

I am not saying I like Apples approach, I don't and agree with you that it is very disappointing, but that's how it is.

Is that whole post a joke? you seem rather conflicted between needing to defend Apple and facing the reality of the situation. every single day there is someone who needs a new computer, another computer, a better computer. every single day someone is starting a new project, a new company, a new plan. The entire world can't and wont wait for that 6 month window every 3 to 4 years when Apple might introduce a new machine.

not only is the silence from Apple disappointing and unsettling, but also their seeming indifference that they are supposed to be competitive and that there should be at least a semblance of balance between cost and value. I know Apple loathes price drops so easily, a year ago they could have doubled all the SSD capacities and kept the price the same, ditto for RAM (and they would still be charging more than retail prices). and if no new graphics cards, they could have dropped the 300 from the line and sold the 500 and 700 at the 300, 500 price points. that would not have been the update anyone was looking for but it would have sent a message that Apple is even aware of what they are offering and that they have even a passing interest in moving forward.

 

[jameslmoser]

At my day job we have 12 and one at home.
Im in middle of nowhere Canada.
Do the math

so they sold 13 in total? ;-) I have never seen one outside of an Apple Store, and I know plenty of people with the cMP, myself included. I have friends still rocking the 3,1 who would LOVE to upgrade, but have no interest in the trash can.

 

[Appleaker]

Is that whole post a joke? you seem rather conflicted between needing to defend Apple and facing the reality of the situation. every single day there is someone who needs a new computer, another computer, a better computer. every single day someone is starting a new project, a new company, a new plan. The entire world can't and wont wait for that 6 month window every 3 to 4 years when Apple might introduce a new machine.

not only is the silence from Apple disappointing and unsettling, but also their seeming indifference that they are supposed to be competitive and that there should be at least a semblance of balance between cost and value. I know Apple loathes price drops so easily, a year ago they could have doubled all the SSD capacities and kept the price the same, ditto for RAM (and they would still be charging more than retail prices). and if no new graphics cards, they could have dropped the 300 from the line and sold the 500 and 700 at the 300, 500 price points. that would not have been the update anyone was looking for but it would have sent a message that Apple is even aware of what they are offering and that they have even a passing interest in moving forward.

I am not conflicted between 2 sides, I agree with everybody else; it is ridiculous especially for a professional product and very misleading - nearing unacceptable in my opinion. As you say, even lowering the prices would have been better than charging so much for outdated technology. I am not defending Apple but explaining why they do what they do. I don't agree with it.

I was shocked at the post because the thread starter stated that it had been almost 4 years since the release and they were writing as if it had been all but confirmed that the MP was going to be discontinued.
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Maybe there just aren't enough people here who remember the days when Apple updated their Quadras, PowerMacs and MacPros fairly often.

I do and I think they should go back to those kind of updates. But back then those machines were more upgradeable than the current Mac Pro.

 

[scottsjack]

I understand the feelings of those who have a lot of time, money and allegiance invested in Macs. I have a Mac Pro, a mini and a MacBook Pro sitting on the same desk. I am however writing this on an HP Z230. It is completely obvious to me that Apple has given up on the desktop computer market if not on home computers completely.

Sure, they still sell them. The higher-end iMacs are very nice computers. Still, the lack of everything-Mac coming from Apple makes it fairly obvious. For users who want powerful, reliable, up-gradable, cost-effect desktops there are better choices. Sometimes the truth hurts.

I predict we'll see the end of Mac OS laptops too when iOS and the necessary hardware become powerful enough for a laptop.