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AppleRobert

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They really did.....I went to my local TMO store cause yesterday and checked out the G5 again. Such a "meh" phone to me.
Then that painted back would seem to be a scratch waiting to happen.
But one of the reps had a HTC 10 and let me look at it for a few. What a nice handset! Very nice feel in the hand The build quality reminds me of the first time the first time i saw the M7.
It was very fast and responsive. Didn't have time to checkout Sense. The FP scanner is stationary. It is not a button but just a FP scanner like the 6P but it is not round but oblong. I like this better than having to push a button/FP scanner to wake/unlock my phones....but that is just personal preference.
I wish Samsung and Apple would adopt this from the 6P and HTC 10. No more having to push on the FP scanner home button to wake unlock phones.

I am heading out in a little while to check out the 10. My first impression had me knowing I wanted the S7 Edge, I'll see if I feel the same.

I have been messing around with the A9 at AT&T store and I like it. I am thinking the display to device ratio should be better with the 10 though which is a plus.
 

Cnasty

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Man, after reading about this Jump on Demand and my tech ADD I may switch to TMO for that alone over ATT.

Thats incredible and didn't even know they did that. I assume you pay an extra $15-$25 a month to do so?
 

BlueGoldAce

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Man, after reading about this Jump on Demand and my tech ADD I may switch to TMO for that alone over ATT.

Thats incredible and didn't even know they did that. I assume you pay an extra $15-$25 a month to do so?
No.

You pay the price of the phone, like any other EIP. You have the option to pay off the phone for 18 months, and then pay the remaining balance , if you want to own the phone. You pay the same amount with JOD, as you do on an EIP, or if you buy the phone outright at the store (sum of payments).

JOD is not extra, but DOES allow you to upgrade multiple times a year. The downside is, if you jump, you never own the phone....but selling and buying phones via swappa constantly isn't necessarily cheaper.
 
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Cnasty

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No.

You pay the price of the phone, like any other EIP. You have the option to pay off the phone for 18 months, and then pay the remaining balance , if you want to own the phone. You pay the same amount with JOD, as you do on an EIP, or if you buy the phone outright at the store (sum of payments).

JOD is not extra, but DOES allow you to upgrade multiple times a year. The downside is, if you jump, you never own the phone....but selling and buying phones via swappa constantly isn't necessarily cheaper.

I am honestly shocked i have never researched this as it sounds fantastic but I have been with ATT for like 10 years since the Cingular days and never even considered switching.

I need to keep an eye out for a deal for TMO for 2 lines and get in on this! I'd love to switch my phone 2-3 times a year and not worry about selling, rebuying, paying off, etc.
 

BlueGoldAce

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I am honestly shocked i have never researched this as it sounds fantastic but I have been with ATT for like 10 years since the Cingular days and never even considered switching.

I need to keep an eye out for a deal for TMO for 2 lines and get in on this! I'd love to switch my phone 2-3 times a year and not worry about selling, rebuying, paying off, etc.
Yeah they run deals all the time. They also have a nice feature, or rather guaranttee, that if you are at any point unhappy with your service you can cancel your lines, and keep paying the EIT on the phone and they won't unlock it for another carrier. This is at any time during your tenure with T-Mobile, but if it's within the first 30 months or refund you for everything and take the phone back.

The jump on demand deal is the best deal in the industry in my opinion, short of buying a phone outright or used. As long as you don't crack your screen, water damage your phone, or catch on fire, they will take it and give you a new device of your choice. Alternatively, if you're tired of making payments and you want to keep your phone, you can pay it off like you normally would on an EIP or all at once, and be done with it. It's essentially an interest-free loan, that you can opt out of it anytime and get a new phone without having to pay off a certain amount of your current phone. I apologize for any spelling mistakes, I'm walking to a meeting and I voice dictated this without proofreading.

I tried stopping at a Verizon store near my house today, and they said they won't have the phone on display until tomorrow. Unfortunately I'm making a trip to Seattle tomorrow, so I may have to wait to test it out when I get back. I'm sure TMobile won't have it for a few weeks anyway, but I'm leaning heavier and heavier towards this phone. Even if I move to the Note 6 or the next Nexus, the HTC would be a nice in-between, a fresh take on Android and the hardware compared to Samsung. The Galaxy S7 Edge is spectacular, but I have a problem with wanting new phones to try out.
 

Cnasty

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Yeah they run deals all the time. They also have a nice feature, or rather guaranttee, that if you are at any point unhappy with your service you can cancel your lines, and keep paying the EIT on the phone and they won't unlock it for another carrier. This is at any time during your tenure with T-Mobile, but if it's within the first 30 months or refund you for everything and take the phone back.

The jump on demand deal is the best deal in the industry in my opinion, short of buying a phone outright or used. As long as you don't crack your screen, water damage your phone, or catch on fire, they will take it and give you a new device of your choice. Alternatively, if you're tired of making payments and you want to keep your phone, you can pay it off like you normally would on an EIP or all at once, and be done with it. It's essentially an interest-free loan, that you can opt out of it anytime and get a new phone without having to pay off a certain amount of your current phone. I apologize for any spelling mistakes, I'm walking to a meeting and I voice dictated this without proofreading.

I tried stopping at a Verizon store near my house today, and they said they won't have the phone on display until tomorrow. Unfortunately I'm making a trip to Seattle tomorrow, so I may have to wait to test it out when I get back. I'm sure TMobile won't have it for a few weeks anyway, but I'm leaning heavier and heavier towards this phone. Even if I move to the Note 6 or the next Nexus, the HTC would be a nice in-between, a fresh take on Android and the hardware compared to Samsung. The Galaxy S7 Edge is spectacular, but I have a problem with wanting new phones to try out.

Excellent feedback and it may be time to make the switch to TMO depending on pricing and plans.

Thanks everyone and sorry if I derailed the HTC 10 discussion a tad.
 

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Anyone know if Tmo is selling carrier unlocked unbranded version? Or will it be like Samsung, branded and filled with bloat? Once they do that, you are slave to the carrier update schedule. Makes JOD or any other promotion not worth it (IMO).
 

AppleRobert

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Well I had a play with it for about 15 minutes or so and I have to admit I'm impressed. It certainly is a beast, a fully loaded A9 (like the latter on steroids).

One has to ask themselves what it buys them over the Note 5, 7 Edge, 6S Plus, etc (you know, the big boys) if you have one of those. I know many use the camera so maybe if that is very good on the 10 as well then maybe worth a look.

Myself I don't see moving to it from the Note 5, I just moved to that one from the 7 Edge so I'm good for the time being.

It is $649 at Verizon and they are offering a $100 discount with a preorder with activation. I rather go through HTC with no carrier branding personally so that would be an extra smartphone over and above what I own. I doubt I'd trade anything in to them.
 

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The Verge have just published an article on benchmarks and DxO benchmark specifically and how the score never tells a full story. Something many of us have been saying since they gave some rather 'suspect' scores to devices that seemingly didn't deserve it (Z5 i'm looking at you) and how HTC 10 is fairing in this regard.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/29/11535102/smartphone-mobile-benchmarks-dxomark-score-test

Take HTC's 10 as the most recent instructive example. It scored 88 out of 100 on DxOMark's mobile camera benchmark. If you're only reading the numbers, that rating makes the 10 equal to Samsung's Galaxy S7 Edge, the only other smartphone to score as high as 88. I've used both extensively and I can tell you that's simply not the case — the S7 is outstanding whereas the 10 is merely good. Why do they then share the same score, and why is Sony's Xperia Z5 sitting in third place with a no less impressive 87?

EMPIRICAL DATA CAN BE BEGUILING, AND OFTEN INCOMPLETE

The commonality between the 10, the S7, and the Z5 is in the excellent technical capabilities of their imaging sensors. But the divergence is in the actual results each camera produces and the experience of using the device. The Z5 is the best example of the limitations of benchmarks, because it can take brilliant pictures, but most often doesn't because of its laggy performance. If your phone's software is so bad as to discourage you from even trying to snap a fleeting moment, what difference does the sensor's quality make?

Benchmarks, like statistics, exist to inform. We just need to be wary about misinterpreting their numerical certitude for factual completeness. 3DMark and DxO endeavor to cover most usage scenarios, but they'll never cover all, and part of the dissatisfaction with graphics performance benchmarks stems from their inadequate reflection of actual in-game performance.

If a laptop or a phone does well in a web-browsing battery benchmark, that only gives an indication that it would probably fare decently when handling bigger workloads too. But not always. My good friend Anand Shimpi, formerly of AnandTech, once articulated this very well by pointing out how the MacBook Pro had better battery life than the MacBook Air — which was hailed as the endurance champ — when the use changed to consistently heavy workloads. The Pro was more efficient in that scenario, but most battery tests aren't sophisticated or dynamic enough to account for that nuance. It takes a person running multiple tests, analyzing the data, and adding context and understanding to achieve the highest degree of certainty.
 

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Its also completely sketchy because DXO gave these on announce day, before the update even came out for the camera that fixed major issues. Which means they were there to begin with and didn't really register in DXO's benchmarks.... hmm.

I will say, just seeing samples after the HTC 10 update, the pictures look as good if not better than the S7 to my eye. But that doesn't give the whole camera experience, speed, reliability, etc.
 
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MRU

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Its also completely sketchy because DXO gave these on announce day, before the update even came out for the camera that fixed major issues. Which means they were there to begin with and didn't really register in DXO's benchmarks.... hmm.

I will say, just seeing samples after the HTC 10 update, the pictures look as good if not better than the S7 to my eye. But that doesn't give the whole camera experience, speed, reliability, etc.

Android Authority have a video of the HTC 10. I'm actually quite dissapointed by the video quality and the stabilisation which despite OIS looks awfully shaky (worse than devices without it) both front and rear cameras.

Video looks good on a tripod though.

 

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Android Authority have a video of the HTC 10. I'm actually quite dissapointed by the video quality and the stabilisation which despite OIS looks awfully shaky (worse than devices without it) both front and rear cameras.

Video looks good on a tripod though.


Yeah, seen some other reports of that as well. Not very good. But others swing a bit to far the other way. Makes the video look way too..... floaty? I don't know how else to put it, its just not natural. The G5 actually seems to have done a pretty nice job with this.
 
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spinedoc77

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You didn't realize it was a metal phone?? ;)

Actually, HTC said they found a nice way to do wireless charging with the HTC 10 through metal (might be BS), but they opted for wicked quick USB C charging.

Actually I read an article saying what you said about wireless charging and metal phones and HTC. But yeah, I didn't realize it didn't have wireless charging. That article makes it worse because they had the technology to do it, but decided to cheap out instead.
 

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Actually I read an article saying what you said about wireless charging and metal phones and HTC. But yeah, I didn't realize it didn't have wireless charging. That article makes it worse because they had the technology to do it, but decided to cheap out instead.

Might be cheaping out, might be better technology (in their eyes). Nexus team made the same choice in the 6p and 5X, they saw it as a step forward (losing it from the Nexus 6). But could all just be blowing smoke excuses.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/30/g...-and-nexus-6p-dont-have-qi-wireless-charging/

We added Qi wireless charging starting with N4 because plugging in USB micro B was such a hassle! (Which way is up!?) With this year’s Nexii, we support USB Type-C which has a reversible connector so there’s no more guessing. AND it charges incredibly swiftly: 1% to 100% in 97 mins on the 6P for example (the first ~45 mins of charging is especially fast). Meanwhile, wireless charging adds z (thickness). So, ease of plugging in + fast charging + optimizing for thinness made us double down on Type-C instead of wireless!
 

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Sitting in the Verizon parking lot as I type this. Just checked out the 10 (and the G5 - since I hadn't looked at that yet). I honestly thought the 10 was plenty bright for me. I put my iPhone on the table next to it. Loaded up the Google homepage in Chrome on both. Turned them both to about 40-50% brightness. I think the iPhone was a LITTLE bit brighter. But another thing I noticed was that it was much more yellow when compared to the HTC 10. It looked much more like a pure white to me. The build on that phone easily rivaled the iPhone, too. It looked and felt like a very premium device. I tested the camera as much as possible with it being tied to the table. It seemed pretty quick to launch and to take a picture. Pretty similar to my iPhone. It was a little slower to focus and it was kind of annoying that it was difficult to change the focus point when tapping to focus. But it seemed like a pretty solid camera overall.

I left pretty impressed with the HTC 10. I feel like a lot of us are smartphone snobs these days, and are a little too quick to criticize and judge.

I'm still not 100% sure if this phone will get me back into Android from my 6s Plus, but that's mostly because it's been almost 5 months since I've been on iOS and it's a decent change going back to Android. This is more of an iOS vs Android thing, not necessarily a knock on the 10.
 

MRU

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MKBHD review.

He echoes the camera sentiments of The Verge posted earlier, but despite that a solid device indeed.

 

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MKBHD review.

He echoes the camera sentiments of The Verge posted earlier, but despite that a solid device indeed.


I am really curious if he did this review before or after the camera update. Felt like a massively rushed review all around. The PocketNow review says the update takes care of those washed out issues (and they go into far more detail).
 
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Every year, an HTC flagship comes out and every year, it requires a camera update to draw the desired conclusion.

When the phone works, it gets the job done. But that's the best way to put HTC. The updates for camera software is pretty cumbersome for people expecting a good experience out of the box. They have shoddy repair processes too, so if your phone has that purple haze like the M7? Well, you're SOL. I had to go through 2 Uh-Oh replacements for a carrier swap for my old M9. I sold the brand new one they gave me because the M9 just felt really run of the mill avg at best. But with the HTC Nexus, I am so pumped.
 
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Every year, an HTC flagship comes out and every year, it requires a camera update to draw the desired conclusion.

Yup...I'm sorry but we shouldn't have to count on a future software update to hope we see acceptable performance from any device.
 
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spinedoc77

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Might be cheaping out, might be better technology (in their eyes). Nexus team made the same choice in the 6p and 5X, they saw it as a step forward (losing it from the Nexus 6). But could all just be blowing smoke excuses.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/30/g...-and-nexus-6p-dont-have-qi-wireless-charging/

"Meanwhile, wireless charging adds z (thickness)" That's funny that HTC said that, yet they have one of the thickest (maybe the thickest) flagships of 2016. I'll take their thickness statement and raise them a S7. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. PS: I'm not railing against you, only HTC
 

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When the phone works, it gets the job done. But that's the best way to put HTC. The updates for camera software is pretty cumbersome for people expecting a good experience out of the box. They have shoddy repair processes too, so if your phone has that purple haze like the M7? Well, you're SOL. I had to go through 2 Uh-Oh replacements for a carrier swap for my old M9. I sold the brand new one they gave me because the M9 just felt really run of the mill avg at best. But with the HTC Nexus, I am so pumped.

HTC nexus hardware + android N... Very compelling.

It just might be worth trading in wireless charging and waterproofing for. Maybe.

Or better yet, imagine if they somehow figure out how to get both wireless charging and waterproofing -- or at the very least, waterproofing -- into the HTC nexus this year? It'd be a game changer! Samsung would hurt.
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MKBHD review.

He echoes the camera sentiments of The Verge posted earlier, but despite that a solid device indeed.


It's such a great counter option to the galaxy s7. At the end of the day, HTC has done a good job. These two devices are top tier choices in the android space right now. Possibly even top two best overall smartphone choices in general at this current point in time.

Between the s7 and HTC 10, it really comes down to preference and what features you value a bit more.

For me, for now, I value the waterproofing and wireless charging, and of course, the camera. But if the cleanest android skin on top of marshmallow, the unlocked availability, the metal build quality, the unique speaker set up, and likely faster software updates is what someone else might prefer, then the HTC 10 is the perfect counter option.

Lovely time to be an Android fan.
 
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spriter

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Bit disappointed with the photos in some reviews.

The AA examples look pretty washed out or blown out. And MKBHD implies it's OK-to-good rather than the 'great' Dx0 and HTC would have us believe.

Then if I factor in feedback about sluggish focus and shutter lag, it's probably where I imagined it'd be before it was announced.

The rest of the phone seems very nice and I do like the darker colour option, all metal case, and finger scanner rather than button (kudos OnePlus for introducing this). Light skin is a preference but quick software updates are definitely a plus.

If HTC are to do the Nexus this year, maybe Google can sort out the camera as the 6P was widely regarded as one of the best.

Gonna see if any stores have the 10 in for a hands on later.
 
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Every year, an HTC flagship comes out and every year, it requires a camera update to draw the desired conclusion.

Yup...I'm sorry but we shouldn't have to count on a future software update to hope we see acceptable performance from any device.

What are you people talking about?? The phone isn't even shipped yet. Everyone has day one patches to fix last minute issues. Including your beloved Samsung. The S7 couldn't even record slow motion properly until it was patched.

Look at these pictures before and after the pre-release patches. They look much better (first picture is prior to the patch, second is after). And I don't think any of these reviews besides pocketnow have used the latest update in their reviews:

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=566&t=4775355&p=1

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"Meanwhile, wireless charging adds z (thickness)" That's funny that HTC said that, yet they have one of the thickest (maybe the thickest) flagships of 2016. I'll take their thickness statement and raise them a S7. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. PS: I'm not railing against you, only HTC

HTC didn't say that, the Google Nexus team did on why they ditched wireless charging.
 
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BlueGoldAce

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What are you people talking about?? The phone isn't even shipped yet. Everyone has day one patches to fix last minute issues. Including your beloved Samsung. The S7 couldn't even record slow motion properly until it was patched.

Look at these pictures before and after the pre-release patches. They look much better (first picture is prior to the patch, second is after). And I don't think any of these reviews besides pocketnow have used the latest update in their reviews:

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=566&t=4775355&p=1

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HTC didn't say that, the Google Nexus team did on why they ditched wireless charging.
Whoa Surf Donkey, just hold your horses (or mules). We don't want too much rationality in one post, you have to spread it out.

Day one patches are everywhere; phones, laptops, video games, even car electronic safety systems. These complex products.

The HTC 10 looks like a great phone. People should applaud them. The company has seen better days, and companies like HTC push the Apples and Samsungs to innovate. Samsung didn't develop the s6, and the superb follow up, the S7; just because of Apple. Samsung knew it's biggest problem was other Android competitors; and the results of this is the s7, which appears to be changing Samsung fortunes. HTC, one plus one, Moto, etc induced this change.

I'm not accusing anyone, so don't get took excited, but this forum constantly is filled with people justifying their product decision; though I find this forum more rational then many.
 
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