HTC 10

[PJM83]

Have you ran the audio optimiser which modulates audio for each ear based on tones, that could also improve audio further ...

I did run it, apparently my hearing is down in my right ear..

 

[MRU]

I did run it, apparently my hearing is down in my right ear..

Yeah we all have variations. When I use Samsung's similar adapt sound - it's my left ear that needs some ramping.

I really like this feature and hope Apple also include something similar in the future

 

[LukinLedbetter]

So my Carbon 10 arrived yesterday and I've gotten it mostly set up the way I like it (Nova, icon packs, etc.)

Initial impressions:

• Camera is better than I expected, but I've only used it sparingly so far. I'll run it through the ringers this weekend in all kinds of environments.
• Build Quality is fantastic. I'd put this up against any smartphone on the market, easily.
• Software is fast, fluid, and very customizable. Very close to stock Android, as has been widely reported.
• Audio via speakers is better than any phone without stereo speakers. Headphone performance really surprised me. I have a pair of ATH-M50x's and they sound better than I've ever heard. Granted, the iPhone 6s Plus and Galaxy S7 have been the other two phones I've connected them to. I can't wait to explore more of the audio. I'm a bit of an audio nut, so this has me very excited.
• Screen is gorgeous.
• Battery, way too soon to tell, but standby time seems very good.

That's all for now.

 

[MRU]

So my Carbon 10 arrived yesterday and I've gotten it mostly set up the way I like it (Nova, icon packs, etc.)

Initial impressions:

• Camera is better than I expected, but I've only used it sparingly so far. I'll run it through the ringers this weekend in all kinds of environments.
• Build Quality is fantastic. I'd put this up against any smartphone on the market, easily.
• Software is fast, fluid, and very customizable. Very close to stock Android, as has been widely reported.
• Audio via speakers is better than any phone with stereo speakers. Headphone performance really surprised me. I have a pair of ATH-M50x's and they sound better than I've ever heard. Granted, the iPhone 6s Plus and Galaxy S7 have been the other two phones I've connected them to. I can't wait to explore more of the audio. I'm a bit of an audio nut, so this has me very excited.
• Screen is gorgeous.
• Battery, way too soon to tell, but standby time seems very good.

That's all for now.

Great stuff

I really want my device now !!!! I did get my case & screen protector today ....

 

[Fernandez21]

Great stuff

I really want my device now !!!! I did get my case & screen protector today ....

I hate that, always such a tease when you get the accessories first.

 

[LukinLedbetter]

Oops, meant to say the 10's speakers are better than any phone withOUT stereo speakers. Edited my original post.

 

[AppleRobert]

Congrats to owners, I don't think you will be dissappointed.

I will get one in the future unless the Nexus blows me away.

 

[MRU]

Got tracking from DPD UK, mine will arrive on Monday YAY

 

[LukinLedbetter]

MRU, what case and screen protector did you get?

 

[jamezr]

some reporting pink tint issues on the screens...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66716556&postcount=2182

Got tracking from DPD UK, mine will arrive on Monday YAY

Look forward to reading your thoughts MRU.....gotta post some shots of that beautiful Irish coastline with those little furry guys....

 

[MRU]

MRU, what case and screen protector did you get?

Just a simple clear one and a generic tempered glass protector from eBay. Was only £6 for both so basic.

 

[MRU]

some reporting pink tint issues on the screens...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66716556&postcount=2182

Look forward to reading your thoughts MRU.....gotta post some shots of that beautiful Irish coastline with those little furry guys....

Hopefully mine will be grand, yep will snap a few nice beach shots as meant to be hotter in Ireland next week than Ibiza (I remain sceptical as we were constantly promised heatwaves last summer and we got none).

 

[jamezr]

Hopefully mine will be grand, yep will snap a few nice beach shots as meant to be hotter in Ireland next week than Ibiza (I remain sceptical as we were constantly promised heatwaves last summer and we got none).

just the opposite here in Arizona......we get promised heat waves and get it! It was 102F here a couple days ago. I would love some of that nice ocean onshore flow! But I guess the cold and drizzles gets old after a while too.
Anyway look forward to reading everyone thoughts on the HTC 10. I will get one as soon as TMO gets it in the stores.
[doublepost=1462546431][/doublepost]Looks like HTC is rewarding early adopters with something good. Anyone here get an email saying something good is on the way?

http://www.talkandroid.com/293996-s...Android+-+Android+News,+Rumours,+and+Updates)

 

[MRU]

. Anyone here get an email saying something good is on the way?

http://www.talkandroid.com/293996-s...Android+-+Android+News,+Rumours,+and+Updates)

Prob USA only

 

[Surf Donkey]

Prob USA only

Hopefully headphones for the US customers. Not that we are used to them being included here, but with a phone promoting great sound as a standout feature, they should have been included.

 

[gotluck]

so Im sure you guys saw the drama about htc 10 nand speeds?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4i09ep/htc_10_storage_readwrite_speeds_are_below_average/

I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.

In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB. The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not. By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests. This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.

eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks. It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage. Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.

This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing. There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB. I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report

If you were fully expecting the HTC 10 to perform worse than the Samsung Galaxy S7 here like I was, you'll probably be surprised to learn that it doesn't actually do worse all the time. In this test at least, write performance of the HTC 10 is 75% greater than the Samsung MLC UFS solution in the Galaxy S7 due to the use of an SLC write cache. However, sequential reads on the Galaxy S7 are about 35% higher than what they are on the HTC 10. The same sort of pattern repeats itself in the random read and write tests for AndroBench 4, so at a high level it's pretty fair to say that things like burst camera photos, app updates, and similar write-intensive operations are going to be faster on the HTC 10, while read-intensive operations like loading apps may be slightly faster on the Galaxy S7 if storage reads are the critical path.

so I guess http://anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results (bottom of page) is more realistic. While it is no iphone, it is within reason compared to android devices (and should make nexus users want to cry 23 mb/s sequential write?! sd cards can do that! )

 

[Surf Donkey]

Yup, and that is a real shame. I hate how slow the write speeds are on my 6p. Takes forever to even install an app. If the HTC is just as slow, might be a showstopper for me. The only excuse is the 6p is cheaper in price. The HTC has no excuse here.

 

[gotluck]

Yup, and that is a real shame. I hate how slow the write speeds are on my 6p. Takes forever to even install an app. If the HTC is just as slow, might be a showstopper for me. The only excuse is the 6p is cheaper in price. The HTC has no excuse here.

the anandtech numbers on the htc10 are good enough for me. I tend to lean towards trusting them over others for benches. if apps really arent being designed explicitly for ufs w/ multithreaded io anandtech should be right

better write than the gs7 @ htc 105 mbs vs gs7 61 mbs

read on the gs7 @ gs7 233 mbs vs htc 173 mbs

I may actually choose the higher write if given a choice

 

[Surf Donkey]

the anandtech numbers on the htc10 are good enough for me. I tend to lean towards trusting them over others for benches. if apps really arent being designed explicitly for ufs w/ multithreaded io anandtech should be right

better write than the gs7 @ htc 105 mbs vs gs7 61 mbs

read on the gs7 @ gs7 233 mbs vs htc 173 mbs

I may actually choose the higher write if given a choice

Yeah, I really hope anandtech findings are true here. Would be a great reason to upgrade. @MRU, can we get your input on this as well??

 

[jamezr]

the anandtech numbers on the htc10 are good enough for me. I tend to lean towards trusting them over others for benches. if apps really arent being designed explicitly for ufs w/ multithreaded io anandtech should be right

better write than the gs7 @ htc 105 mbs vs gs7 61 mbs

read on the gs7 @ gs7 233 mbs vs htc 173 mbs
The M9 was just

I may actually choose the higher write if given a choice

There always seems to something about HTC phones. They get so close to having a truly great phone but miss it by something.
The HTC M7 and M8 were two of my favorites phones in design and performance. But the camera help them back.
I am still going to get the HTC 10 and decide for myself. I have read enough reviews to take the chance.
Just have wait til TMO gets it in the stores.

 

[MRU]

Tbh it's just more internet drama that likely 99.9% of end users will be completely oblivious to.

There's always some drama. I'll let you know how it performs on Monday when I'm installing / setting up

But I suspect give it a week (max) and the nerd fury over on Reddit will have shifted onto something just as equally meh! related.

 

[jamezr]

Soo tempted to grab this phone at a VZW store. They GSM unlocked and should work with TMO.

 

[gotluck]

Soo tempted to grab this phone at a VZW store. They GSM unlocked and should work with TMO.

wow really?

ugh, I wish htc held their ground and had an unlocked gsm/cdma worldphone similar to how apple does it. the consumer has nothing to gain by allowing verizon to control the device

pretty sure the htc direct version is gsm and wouldnt work on cdma even if verizon/sprint allowed it too
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There always seems to something about HTC phones. They get so close to having a truly great phone but miss it by something.
The HTC M7 and M8 were two of my favorites phones in design and performance. But the camera help them back.
I am still going to get the HTC 10 and decide for myself. I have read enough reviews to take the chance.
Just have wait til TMO gets it in the stores.

there is always something about everyones phones though

apple = must submit to apple overlord

samsung = must submit to carrier overlord (USA) , updates could be better

nexus = must submit to weaker hardware, user has complete control at least

htc = ? hardware isnt the greatest (better than nexus though), but has nexus like user control (noncarrier variants), updates to be seen

 

[jamezr]

wow really?

ugh, I wish htc held their ground and had an unlocked gsm/cdma worldphone similar to how apple does it. the consumer has nothing to gain by allowing verizon to control the device

pretty sure the htc direct version is gsm and wouldnt work on cdma even if verizon/sprint allowed it too
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there is always something about everyones phones though

apple = must submit to apple overlord

samsung = must submit to carrier overlord (USA) , updates could be better

nexus = must submit to weaker hardware, user has complete control at least

htc = ? hardware isnt the greatest (better than nexus though), but has nexus like user control (noncarrier variants), updates to be seen

talked to VZW and...while they have demos in stores they cannot sell them. But I can order one online and get it tomorrow for Saturday delivery.
By default all 4G VZW phones are GSM unlocked at part of the deal they signed with the FCC.

I agree with you @gotluck...there are no perfect phones out there. Some come close with hardware but the software is not quite right. Then some have the software but the hardware is not right......

 

[gotluck]

talked to VZW and...while they have demos in stores they cannot sell them. But I can order one online and get it tomorrow for Saturday delivery.
By default all 4G VZW phones are GSM unlocked at part of the deal they signed with the FCC.

I agree with you @gotluck...there are no perfect phones out there. Some come close with hardware but the software is not quite right. Then some have the software but the hardware is not right......

Yea no kidding about the FCC agreement, that's definitely right. I wish HTC jammed the cdma radios in their unlocked version so geeks could byod. Like the Moto x pure. Verizon probably made HTC agree to not do that if they wanted a presence in their stores