Nexus won't do anything to turn HTC around. After selling Moto from the Samsung pressure, I doubt Google would buy another OEM. We'll see though.
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Nexus won't do anything to turn HTC around. After selling Moto from the Samsung pressure, I doubt Google would buy another OEM. We'll see though.
I think Google is already throwing HTC a lifeline with giving them a pair of Nexus devices to make this year. I can't imagine they'd buy them.
HTC is circling the drain, sadly. Lack of carrier penetration, overpriced unlocked sale, lack of general marketing... all not looking good.
Say what you will about Samsung and what they might have to compromise, but they have all four major carriers pushing their flagships with promos and marketing. And while three months later is late, they're beginning to sell unlocked versions, too, and through various other retailers. They're getting out there.
HTC just can't get any foothold it seems.
HTC is circling the drain, sadly. Lack of carrier penetration, overpriced unlocked sale, lack of general marketing... all not looking good.
Say what you will about Samsung and what they might have to compromise, but they have all four major carriers pushing their flagships with promos and marketing. And while three months later is late, they're beginning to sell unlocked versions, too, and through various other retailers. They're getting out there.
HTC just can't get any foothold it seems.
If they only sell one million units this year then I would bet there won't be a successor next year.
It's amazing how low have they come. I can't even find the phone anywhere here in Spain.
I talked to a TMO regional mgr about a month ago. I asked him about why TMO didn't have the HTC 10 in stores. He said they were not going to carry them in stores based on past sales history. That the M9 had left a bad taste in the public's view of HTC as a company. That HTC doesn't promote their phones here in the US very well.
I don't think the new HTC Nexus phones are going to do for HTC what the Nexus line did for Huawei.
The Samsung fight vs. HTC isn't really fair.
Love them or hate them Samsung is one of the most powerful and biggest manufacturers on the planet, they are just a dominating force. They literally design, engineer, and build all in house the parts that go into their smartphones. Very very few companies have the means to do all of that. Samsung is juggernaut that is nearly impossible to compete against.
HTC is a blip on the radar compared to Samsung.
But that also worries me about Samsung, they are almost too powerful and could have a monopoly on Android.
Love them or hate them Samsung is one of the most powerful and biggest manufacturers on the planet, they are just a dominating force. They literally design, engineer, and build all in house the parts that go into their smartphones. Very very few companies have the means to do all of that. Samsung is juggernaut that is nearly impossible to compete against.
HTC is a blip on the radar compared to Samsung.
But that also worries me about Samsung, they are almost too powerful and could have a monopoly on Android.
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Agreed,,,the bolded is a problem. But I see Samsung to continue into the top tier Android smartphone markets. The chinese OEMs are eating their lunch....like Huawei and OPO and Xiaomi. These companies are the ones to watch in the next few years. I think they have the ability to knock Samsung down a few pegs IMHO.
These companies offer a great value for their products.
According to sales figures and profits, that has already become a fact. We have few china companies that make some profit, but they do so in their own market. Outside china they are small time players. Not even one android manufacturer can compete with samsung.
They are at their own game. And Apple is even beyond that game.
So the phone market seems pretty overwhelmed, but the fact is that we have just two 'real' players. Others are there just for show
Others are there just for show
And for options.
The HTC 10, for example, is still a very fine device. Just needs to be priced more competitively. Especially with the likes of the OP3 out there...
Ugh, th number of times I hear this. I swear there isn't a single phone that doesn't sell less than expected.
Just bumping this.... while it wasn't a great seller, the phone looked awesome in the end and is probably one of the best feeling and sturdiest phones I have ever owned.
Leaks and renders never look as good as the real thing.
Bit of a shame that when they do get it right, they still struggle.
The M8 and M9 turned people away and getting people back without carriers or marketing, in the face of ever-increasing competition was never going to work.
Mauled in the global arena by Samsung's revised design and marketing and blindsided at home and mainland China by Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, and even OnePlus.
Is a buyout now inevitable?
The M8 and M9 turned people away and getting people back without carriers or marketing, in the face of ever-increasing competition was never going to work.
Mauled in the global arena by Samsung's revised design and marketing and blindsided at home and mainland China by Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, and even OnePlus.
Is a buyout now inevitable?
But who would buy them? Their brand name is in shambles. Who would want to work that hard to resurrect it? Who could spend that kind of $$ to right that ship?
Oh there will be a line of buyers when HTC's board is ready. That is for sure. Just the patent hounds alone will be all over it. Another repeat of Moto is totally possible. HTC might not be making sales, the brand might not be worth as much as it was, but there is very much value in the IP. They were one of the pioneers on this front.
True. I was thinking more in terms of the technology, patents, etc. The brand name feels like it'll be where Blackberry is in the not too distant future.
I don't think I can recall a flagship launch with so little fanfare and awareness. I remember walking into stores on and after launch day and it was as if I was making it up (the release).
Oh HTC made what they thought was fanfare on announce day. Every blog had a full review ready and even a camera review came out that day. It was actually a bit much and somewhat impressive at the same time. But that is where their budget stopped I think.
And yes, in the online world box stores are becoming less and less relevant for good or bad. Best buy or any carrier store would probably stare at you blankly if you mentioned One Plus as well. But for a big name like HTC that was all over the carriers in years previously, it was a jarring change to be sure.
Same here. I called TMO stores and walked into 2 on launch day and they had no idea HTC had launched a phone.
What is Tmobile (and all carriers really) except Samsung, LG and Apple? Nothing else. Maybe a ZTE can be purchased online. Barely can be considered a mobile phone store anymore.
LOl...ok if you say so.....I guess you can lump all carriers into that bucket of your then? They are not mobile phone stores anymore?
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I guess you're right. Someone will buy them for their IP. Then the brand and their designs will fade away like what is happening to Moto right now. Just a shadow of what it used to be.
Well if they have 3 brands out of the many out there, doesn't seem like they are putting much effort into variety. They sell what works for their contracts. Nothing more. For all carriers yes. They are like a pop music station playing the same few songs over and over. It is boring. But hey, it is what sells.
B&H : 288 phones
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/smartphones/ci/24039/N/3955685938
Tmoblie: 35 phones
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones.html
Yeah, I would back that statement.
and yet...TMO is adding more new customers than any other carrier. Sounds like they know what they are doing and carry just the right 35 phones to me
Then B&H carries a LOT more low end and unlocked phones from other carriers as well. They carry phones from all over the world. TMO caters to its customer in its subscriber area. It's inventory will change depending on the store's location. All carrier stores do this..... So that is not a one to one comparison.
and yet...TMO is adding more new customers than any other carrier. Sounds like they know what they are doing and carry just the right 35 phones to me
Then B&H carries a LOT more low end and unlocked phones from other carriers as well. They carry phones from all over the world. TMO caters to its customer in its subscriber area. It's inventory will change depending on the store's location. All carrier stores do this..... So that is not a one to one comparison.
I have no doubt they will do fine. People still love Starbucks coffee and McDonalds. They like what is down the street, consistent, and readily available despite there are many other better options that coffee and burger connoisseurs frequent. Likewise for a phone enthusiast, the carrier stores are going the way of the dodo. Just the same boring repeated models. Which is too bad, because I really used to like going and playing with phones first.
I don't think Google bought Motorola for long term plans. They just wanted all the patents Motorola had.
I agree.....Weren't they in a court battle at the time?
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I disagree. I think the carrier stores will be here as long as there are carriers. Each carrier will have their own store to display demo their own products and attract customers. I don't see this ever changing.
My whole response said I agree that is not changing, but they really have no benefit for a phone enthusiast anymore.
Broke my iPhone 6S Plus today on my jog it was quite the comedy sketch and quite the feat to juggle it for what seemed like 50 ft, but was probably more like 5 or 10 ft.
So I'm thinking about ordering a HTC 10 Carbon today NDA or running to Best Buy and getting an S7 Edge, which do you recommend?
This is my first dropped phone in like 7 years. This is my first cracked phone ever. Metal is fine from the case but the screen isn't.
it was quite the comedy sketch and quite the feat to juggle it for what seemed like 50 ft, but was probably more like 5 or 10 ft. So I'm thinking about ordering a HTC 10 Carbon today NDA or running to Best Buy and getting an S7 Edge, which do you recommend?
This is my first dropped phone in like 7 years. This is my first cracked phone ever. Metal is fine from the case but the screen isn't.