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So i got my pencil the other day and after 2 days using it, i can honestly say i kind of hate it! Now, before everyone gets the pitchforks and hangman's noose ready, give me a moment to explain.

The soul reason i purchased the iPad pro was to get into digital artwork. I used to do a lot of sketching and have some minor training from back in high school (class of 2001) in commercial arts, and id love to draw and ink stuff all day long in class.

Ive been told I'm a great sketch artist (although i think I'm average at best) and being a fan of movies and games and comics, I've always loved seeing the design and concept art to those things and would love to try my hand at it, even if it was just a hobby.

For years, I've searched high and low for the perfect device to use for it. I purchased a compaq tablet laptop years before the first iPad thinking it would work, it didn't. I went though several Wacom bamboo tablets, and they all worked fine, i just couldn't get comfortable as hard as i tried to draw and look at a screen as i did it, there was way to much of a disconnect for me to do much of anything.

I looked at multiple tablets across the whole range of platforms (Microsoft surface, android, iPads) and for media consumption i always stuck with the iPad line and had almost every iteration of them since the beginning.

In my mind, they were the best tablets despite others offering more features, and i always stuck it out with them.

Early this year, i purchased an iPhone 6plus and to be honest, it basically replaced my IPad Mini 2 32gig. So all year i followed the rumors of an IPad pro, expecting id be happier with a bigger screen and the capability to draw on it.

I saved up for months and when the time came, i was eager to click that purchase button the moment i could.

The iPad pro came, i unboxed it on youtube and for the most part really like it, but i have to be honest, its not really doing much more then my current iPhone 6 does with the exception of split screen apps, the drawing stuff, and of course a bigger better screen and processor.

So i figured, ok, this will really come to life when i finally get my pencil, and it finally arrived, and within 20 minuets of using it...I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT!

Dont get me wrong. Its easily the best stylus I've ever used. It feels good in the hand, it has no real lag time that i can tell, The tilt to shade thing is what sold me over what Microsoft was offering, etc.

I hated the way it charges. I think that was beyond stupid and personally i think Johnny Ives should be ashamed of himself for that one! Thats a huge accident waiting to happen! Also the lack of an eraser and on the Pro itself lack of force touch wreaks of pure "Save it until the next one to sell even more" greed on apples part.

Whats worse, and this is no fault of the tablet or the pencils, is drawing on glass feels so weird, such a huge disconnect that its in a way repulsing and even on some level nauseating to me personally.

I dont know what it is! Maybe its such a strong muscle memory or subconscious thing, but the more i force myself to use it the more i absolutely loath the experience and its such a disappointment to me!

It really feels like I'm trying to draw on ice, and no matter how hard i try i cant control it like i can with good old fashion pen and paper and there is just this disconnect between me and the art if that makes any sense.

Its like no matter how good the app, I'm fighting the program to convey the image from my brain through my hand through the tablet, and it just feels so unnatural it really is somewhat repulsing to me on some level.

It makes me not want to do digital art at all outside of light photoshop touch ups or what have you and sure as hell cant justified spending over $1100 for something i hate using for the reason i bought it for.

It even makes me not want to really get a standard iPad at all either yet. My phone (the 6plus, not the s model) handles everything fine. I can lay in bed with it, i can read with it, i can bring it with me, etc.

The pro just seems overkill to me, and most people at this point and price, especially without the force touch feature the 6s line has and the lack of an eraser if you can actually use the pencil without it feeling so awkward.

I hate to do it, and i love apple, i still think they make the best computers around, but this whole thing was a huge letdown.

it doesn't do much better then a standard iPad in terms of apps or functionality, and in no way will it ever replace a full fledge pc, and having learned the hard way, digital artwork while amazing to look at and opens so many more possibilities, to me just still feels too much of a disconnect for me to do with any comfort or confidence in it.

There is just something about a Pencil on paper that just feels right to me!

Anyhow after the crowds die down this weekend I'm going to trek on up to the apple store for a refund! Its a shame, as the pro has a lot of potential, and in a few generations i might try it again, but for now, its too little for too much money!

Let me know what you guys think

-Al

Simple solution......Just don't use the pencil. It was only offered because some people said they like the idea of pencil. Steve Jobs was notoriously famous for hating any kind of stylus. So, he could now be saying "i told you so," may he rest in peace.....without a stylus.
 
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To kind of bring this thread back to the original point, I finally got some time with the iPad Pro and Pencil this weekend and I can say, as someone who has been using many of the available stylus options for years, that the Pencil is really, really good. While I do not love the physical design (I think my Surface Pro 4 stylus is far better industrial design, feels better in the hand, and is likely a lot more durable), the actual use - at least in the native Notes app, is by far the best I have ever experienced. It feels supremely natural and fluid, moving from ink to pencil to shading to erasing. Exactly as I'd expect from Apple. If I could justify a new device right now, I'd be buying the IPP just for the pencil.

As for the charging, really, I cannot understand the outrage here. Let's consider the available alternatives. It could have used a replaceable battery, like the Surface Pro. That means a larger barrel (I'm ok with this) but then you have to replace the battery - the SP uses a AAAA - not exactly widely available, and not available rechargeable. And the Pencil has a lot more sensors inside that Microsoft's, so battery life would be a fraction of what they get. So that's out. So now it has to be rechargeable. Recharging requires some connection. Most use USB of some sort. Apple has lightning so that makes sense. Plugging into the bottom of the iPad is merely an option for your convenience, meaning you don't have to carry a cable with you everywhere, or dig it out and find somewhere to plug it in. Those of you outraged by this option for charging, would it really be better if you had to plug the thing in with a cable??
 
Simple solution......Just don't use the pencil. It was only offered because some people said they like the idea of pencil. Steve Jobs was notoriously famous for hating any kind of stylus. So, he could now be saying "i told you so," may he rest in peace.....without a stylus.

Steve Jobs wasn't against the Pencil, he was against a stylus-only input system. You have to keep in mind that before iPhone made multitouch input widespread, most mobile devices had input systems that were dependent on the stylus, in the sense that if you lost the stylus, you couldn't operate the device.
 
I have had the exact opposite experience. I am a professional artist and art teacher and the iPad Pro + Apple Pencil is hands down the best digital drawing experience I have ever tried.

To address some of the OP's concerns:

1. Give yourself time to adjust to drawing on a glass surface. In the analogue world, artists paint and draw on all sorts or porous and non-porous surfaces... So take the time to get familiar with a new one.

2. I think the "no eraser" argument needs to end--- my set of sketching pencils do not have erasers on their ends nor do my paint brushes, markers, etc... Apps like Procreate allow for gestures like double tapping to undo or one-click eraser modes that are even more convenient than any traditional eraser.

3. As for charging the Pencil, use the adapter that comes with it to charge it from the wall. The lightening port charging is meant to be used when you're on the go and you only need to charge it for 15 seconds in that manner to get an extra 30min of use- amazing!!

Here is an example of the first sketch I did on the iPad Pro using the Procreate app:

I like your attitude.

Too much navel gazing pseudo-drama in the OP's post. Eyes bigger than the stomach, nothing more. Return the device or put your head down, press on, and learn to take advantage of the features. Find a way.

Some of the comments elsewhere about charging need to end as well, but your eraser comment was spot on. What is available now is much, much faster than flipping the pen.
 
Well. All I can think is that you simply just lack the skills for digital illustration. There is a learning curve and at the end of he day the workflow will always be different compared to traditional tools.

Practice is all I can recommend. IPad Pro + Apple Pencil is the best in class experience what it comes to digital illustration.
 
Well. All I can think is that you simply just lack the skills for digital illustration. There is a learning curve and at the end of he day the workflow will always be different compared to traditional tools.

Practice is all I can recommend. IPad Pro + Apple Pencil is the best in class experience what it comes to digital illustration.
Just wondering what class that is? I make my living doing illustration, and I have a sub par experience on mine due to first generation bugs and software that is not good enough for my workflow. Mine is only handy for sketching in bed while I work all day on my companion. I would say first class is Wacom, and this device falls far short. Poor pressure, small canvas limits, horrible palm rejection, slick screen, poor ergonomics, buggy software, no cursor. File management sucks. It's just not a great pro tool yet. Very nitch.

I would agree that charging two devices is annoying, it's also annoying to have to stop and plug it in when it runs out. I dislike the little plastic adapter, and the magnetic cap. The pencil battery life is very short. There is No good carrying case. It just feels like the pencil is a poorly done afterthought. Not a elegant solution at all.

I'm not returning mine, because I want an iPad, but it's not much of an art machine for me.
 
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Just wondering what class that is? I make my living doing illustration, and I have a sub par experience on mine due to first generation bugs and software that is not good enough for my workflow. Mine is only handy for sketching in bed while I work all day on my companion. I would say first class is Wacom, and this device falls far short. Poor pressure, small canvas limits, horrible palm rejection, slick screen, poor ergonomics, buggy software, no cursor. File management sucks. It's just not a great pro tool yet. Very nitch.

I would agree that charging two devices is annoying, it's also annoying to have to stop and plug it in when it runs out. I dislike the little plastic adapter, and the magnetic cap. The pencil battery life is very short. There is No good carrying case. It just feels like the pencil is a poorly done afterthought. Not a elegant solution at all.

I'm not returning mine, because I want an iPad, but it's not much of an art machine for me.

Well...

It has pretty much just as good pressure sensitivity as Wacom has. At this point thought it's about the developers if they have optimized their apps properly.

Small canvas? Which size Wacom do you have? Since only 24" Cintiq can offer larger canvas as far as I know.

Palm rejection is OK according to my experince while trying it out in store.

Slick screen is about getting used to. And you can always get matte screen protector for more friction.

Ergonomics are just as good as any basic Wacom Intuos. Oh... Actually better since you don't have to stare to the monitor which is not natural at all.

Software is not any buggier compared to anything else. I have problems with my Wacom drivers and settings all the time.

File management is tricky. Thats true. And the some decisions considering charging of the pencil are awkward. I understand.

My previous point remains. IPad Pro is best in class digital drawing experience. It's about getting used to, just like with Wacom. Digital drawing will never be identical to traditional tools. You'll have to get used to it and compensate by managing your workflow.
 
You're kidding, right?

No...

iOS has nothing comparable to the quality of StaffPad. And the way the store is set up, I really doubt it ever will - unless things change.

Drawboard PDF is a great PDF app, and has better pen integration than PDF Expert/iAnnotate. In fact on the iPad Pro, I had to import (the huge) PDFs into GoodNotes just to get something somewhat equal, and Drawboard PDF was still much better.

OneNote has finally caught up with the Windows version, that I've been using for over a year..

What about that is kidding?
 
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No...

iOS has nothing comparable to the quality of StaffPad. And the way the store is set up, I really doubt it ever will - unless things change.

Drawboard PDF is a great PDF app, and has better pen integration than PDF Expert/iAnnotate. In fact on the iPad Pro, I had to import (the huge) PDFs into GoodNotes just to get something somewhat equal, and Drawboard PDF was still much better.

OneNote has finally caught up with the Windows version, that I've been using for over a year..

What about that is kidding?

The thing I put in bold.
 
Simple solution......Just don't use the pencil. It was only offered because some people said they like the idea of pencil. Steve Jobs was notoriously famous for hating any kind of stylus. So, he could now be saying "i told you so," may he rest in peace.....without a stylus.

Hmm, I wish people would stop bringing up Steve Jobs. He is not coming back, he is dead in his grave and has no more opinions. For now, we will have to deal with the new Apple. We can only hope the iPad pro improves in due time which is what usually occurs with Apple products. I bet the third or fourth generation iPad pro device with full pencil support will be amazing by then.
 
Staffpad - good luck finding an iOS example that even competes with it. (Hint - there isn't).

Drawboard PDF - one of the best PDF/markup apps I've ever used. Much better than iAnnotate and PDF Expert. That annoying thing with PDF Expert where you have to press the pencil button to draw - doesn't exist on the Surface with Drawboard. You just start writing at any time - like it's a real pen!

OneNote - this is finally on equal footing with the W10 version, since Apple caved and added a stylus. You know what though? I've used this for over the past year......

Webbrowsers - iOS safari vs Edge = edge wins..

What else is there?

RSS Readers - W10 has good ones.
Reddit client - just use the website.
Facebook - just use the website.

The only game I played was Sudoku - and guess what?

The W10 version emulates the paper/pencil experience. You use the pen, as if you're playing from an actual book. Same thing with crosswords - you use the pen.

The state of those on iOS right now for the iPad Pro - pencil support isn't implemented like it is on the Surface. It is just a matter of time though - but it is another example.

Edge browser is a hot mess, enough said..........
 
I like how someone says the apps on the surface don't compare to iOS and to name some, then when someone does and states why they're better, they ignore it and focus on a browser preference.
 
I like how someone says the apps on the surface don't compare to iOS and to name some, then when someone does and states why they're better, they ignore it and focus on a browser preference.

Only Because the browser is the most important aspect on any device. If the browser sucks, the device will suck especially on the surface pro 4 and even when you switch browsers on that device, there are still issues. I may as well not comment on the rest, but I am not a fan of Windows 10 nor the surface pro 4. I'm sure you will be having trackpad issues and scroll lag issues while using Edge if you have not experienced it already....enjoy
 
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No...

iOS has nothing comparable to the quality of StaffPad. And the way the store is set up, I really doubt it ever will - unless things change.

Drawboard PDF is a great PDF app, and has better pen integration than PDF Expert/iAnnotate. In fact on the iPad Pro, I had to import (the huge) PDFs into GoodNotes just to get something somewhat equal, and Drawboard PDF was still much better.

OneNote has finally caught up with the Windows version, that I've been using for over a year..

What about that is kidding?

This all sounds like good news actually. The iPad only just got a stylus, and it looks like developers have been practicing making great stylus apps for the Surface.

It'll just be a matter of time before developers will take advantage of Apple's huge ecosystem and user base and start developing quality stylus apps for the iPad Pro, something which was never possible before until Apple got the stylus right for the iPad.
 
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This all sounds like good news actually. The iPad only just got a stylus, and it looks like developers have been practicing making great stylus apps for the Surface.

It'll just be a matter of time before developers will take advantage of Apple's huge ecosystem and user base and start developing quality stylus apps for the iPad Pro, something which was never possible before until Apple got the stylus right for the iPad.

Can they though, with the App Store as it is?

StaffPad is a $50 or $60 app, and the two composer guys spent a lot of work on it...hence why it's so superior to notion.

I can't imagine they would be happy with Apple taking 30%, plus whatever else they would have to put up with.

I remember reading a reply on here from a developer who said producing pro apps on the App Store wasn't worth it, Apple taking a huge cut being only part of the reason.
 
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Can they though, with the App Store as it is?

StaffPad is a $50 or $60 app, and the two composer guys spent a lot of work on it...hence why it's so superior to notion.

I can't imagine they would be happy with Apple taking 30%, plus whatever else they would have to put up with.

I remember reading a reply on here from a developer who said producing pro apps on the App Store wasn't worth it, Apple taking a huge cut being only part of the reason.

Well the App Store mentality problem is definitely an issue - I remember in that thread that I thought a Pro Store would be necessary - because consumers still have the "free or 0.99" mentality with the current App Store.

The App Store does have expensive apps though, mostly from the OmniGraffle suite.

Regarding the 30%, you're saying that MS doesn't take 30% from its store? Or you're saying people can just buy StaffPad directly and bypass an app store? If so, then yes that is something of an issue given how the only way to get apps is via the iOS App Store. Again, perhaps a Pro Store could function under different principles.
 
This all sounds like good news actually. The iPad only just got a stylus, and it looks like developers have been practicing making great stylus apps for the Surface.

It'll just be a matter of time before developers will take advantage of Apple's huge ecosystem and user base and start developing quality stylus apps for the iPad Pro, something which was never possible before until Apple got the stylus right for the iPad.

Absolutely - look at the huge number of apps that came out on iOS to utilize crappy 3rd party styluses, most of which have already added Pencil support. It's crazy to think there won't be many, many more in the near future. Animation is an area ripe for some decent apps. Will Toon Boom fill that gap? We can only hope.

Likewise, looking at the StaffPad website and their FAQ explains why the iPad isn't currently supported:

We know that many of you probably already own an iPad, and at first glance StaffPad might seem like the ideal app for it. However, we simply couldn't build StaffPad the way we wanted to on iPad.

The reason is fairly simple: StaffPad couldn't exist without a great pen experience. The iPad lacks the screen technology which makes an app like StaffPad possible. There's many other technical reasons why StaffPad wouldn't be as useful or as functional on iPad, and we felt that the only way to really make this app shine was not to compromise.

Well, now the iPad has an even better Stylus than the Surface, and the screen is just as large. I'm guessing the developer isn't planning on missing out on all that iOS cash. Even if they don't, they aren't the only Dev capable of writing an engine to digitally interpret hand written music notation.
 
In the short time between now and when the iPad Pro launched, all of the internal and external software my company uses has launched iOS versions. I don't know if it's a coincidence or if it's because everyone is planning ahead for further expansion of iOS in the enterprise, but having everything I need to do my job all on my iPad is pretty empowering. In fact, just having all that stuff on my iPHONE is pretty empowering.

The more this happens, the more I understand why Apple thinks iOS, not OSX, is the way forward. My next "laptop" might in fact be an iPad Pro. I don't think I'm quite there yet, but I might be by the time this rMBP starts getting a little long in the tooth.
 
After careful consideration, I just purchased a ipad pro LTE yet I was the main supporter of ipad air 2 but I have a galaxy tab s2 for my small tablet needs.
 
After careful consideration, I just purchased a ipad pro LTE yet I was the main supporter of ipad air 2 but I have a galaxy tab s2 for my small tablet needs.

So to clarify.... you bought an iPad Pro and decided on a Samsung Galaxy S2 over an iPad Air 2? Interesting....
 
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I'm no expert, but it seems like


So to clarify.... you bought an iPad Pro and decided on a Samsung Galaxy S2 over an iPad Air 2? Interesting....

I think he's saying he was planning to get an Air because of the convenient size but went with the Pro instead. And he has an S2 if he needs to use a smaller tablet.
 
I'm no expert, but it seems like


So to clarify.... you bought an iPad Pro and decided on a Samsung Galaxy S2 over an iPad Air 2? Interesting....
I have had my galaxy tab s2 for last 3 weeks and I have used my iPad air 2 much less which I had for a year ...since I'm a grad student the pro will be very useful and productive for me. The uses for my S2 was just too similar to my iPad air 2 uses which is media consumption. That's why I believe having both an iPad pro and the galaxy tab 2 are convenient for my lifestyle.
 
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