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Or maybe just USB 3.0 speeds...
Yeah, even in new high-end PCs not every computer has Thunderbolt. If it can’t operate at USB 3.0 speeds over a normal USB 3.0 connection, or even just fall back to standard USB 2.0 then that is an immediate dealbreaker. I can’t upgrade devices and completely lose the connectivity I need to my iPhone.
 
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Keeping proprietary crap around is even more harmful as soon as one applies logical thinking. Thanks EU for thinking further ahead than those claiming to be innovative and doing nothing to reduce the waste mountain.
Worked at Mary 9, indeed it never was about reducing waste. It’s about increasing profits.
 
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Well I needed to repeat myself since you do not seem to understand what is written since you infer completely unrelated things from the text.
You're taking it personally when that happens discussion lead nowhere. I am not saying the EU is bad. Since you're taking a bad way, you are living within or near the EU. Never said dislike the EU. taking it to heart........ like their policies are great, but not everyone does. again there is no harm but people take it the wrong way I can’t help that. Not everybody thinks like each other just accept that

When people don’t read people reactions reflect it
 
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The speed situation is interesting to me. Are there a lot of users still out there plugging their phone into their computer to back up or to upload new music to it?

What “a lot” of users do and what power users do have always been two different things. I’d rather my professional needs were catered to than someone who just wants a Tik Tok machine.
 
Yeah, even in new high-end PCs not every computer has Thunderbolt. If it can’t operate at USB 3.0 speeds over a normal USB 3.0 connection, or even just fall back to standard USB 2.0 then that is an immediate dealbreaker. I can’t upgrade devices and completely lose the connectivity I need to my iPhone.

The thunderbolt standard requires the port be at least USB 3. If it's only backwards compatible with USB 2.0, it can't be labeled as thunderbolt. It can still be done, just can't be labeled as such.

I don't think anyone even makes a USB 2 only thunderbolt controller chip, but I guess it could be controlled via firmware.
 
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I’ve been through countless lightning cables over the past ten years, they’re not exactly robust. They break all the time and go straight to landfill.

Meanwhile, and this is anecdotal of course, not a single usb c in our house has broken yet.

So I’m happy to switch to usb c which will hopefully cut down on my environmental impact a little. It most certainly won’t make it worse.
This. My usb-c’s never wear out and I’ve had 15 or so lighting cables go dead in the last decade, especially the dreaded blackened power connector death 💀.
 
didn't say lightning is *better*, but it's more environmentally friendly to keep it around instead of switching to USB-C when we all know Apple ultimately will make a portless phone.
It isn't more environmentally friendly to stick to lightning. Switching the port makes future products more environmentally friendly. This now means that accessory makers no longer need to bother with both lightning and USB-C compatibility. Anything that's already produced isn't going to just disappear now... Nevermind that everything else Apple does already has USB-C.
 
You're taking it personally when that happens discussion lead nowhere. I am not saying the EU is bad. Since you're taking a bad way, you are living within or near the EU. Never said dislike the EU. taking it to heart........ like their policies are great, but not everyone does.

I am not taking it personal, you are making stuff up about EU trying to rule the world and seem to be getting worked up when I call you on that BS.

EU doesn't care what happens outside of EU in regards to this, they only care about what happens inside EU. That isn't trying to rule the world, they are just deciding policies within their own borders.
 
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Or maybe just USB 3.0 speeds...
If they did that they would have to market it as "USB 3.0" speeds in the Pro, which would directly marketing the slower version of the iPhone as USB 2.0, which is bad marketing. If they make it Thunderbolt, they never have to mention anything about what USB Speed any of the phones have, this way Apple can brag about having a phone with Thunderbolt, and that will be free marketing, I don't think any other phones have it, and the USB 2.0 non-Pro phones won't get much attention. Its the Apple marketing way.
 
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If they did that they would have to market it as "USB 3.0" speeds in the Pro, which would directly marketing the slower version of the iPhone as USB 2.0, which is bad marketing. If they make it Thunderbolt, they never have to mention anything about what USB Speed any of the phones have, this way Apple can brag about having a phone with Thunderbolt, and that will be free marketing, I don't think any other phones have it, and the USB 2.0 non-Pro phones won't get much attention. Its the Apple marketing way.

You can't market a port as Thunderbolt if it doesn't have at least 3.0 speed. Apple doesn't control the Thunderbolt title.
 
I would be concern if I was the person in the photo who's fingers and dirty nails are showing. Maybe just enough fingerprint showing to figure out who it is.
 
The part that can be damaged is on the cable, not inside phone.
I totally agree. I was writing also that lightning is more durable and people laughed... I dropped 2 samsungs with usb-c cable plugged in and the phone fell on the cable... The phone had to be repaired because charging port was damaged.
Also, lightning has only 2 pieces, while usb-c has 3. You can easily bend the small plate inside the phone that has usb-c even while cleaning it.
 
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The popular MicroUSB connector is amazingly unreliable garbage. The MicroB SuperSpeed connector still makes me laugh ... and cringe. They are both case studies of a committee-approved design error. No wonder Apple went with Lightning. It was the right choice.

USB-C is certainly the very best of all the standard USB connectors. Thank goodness that the USB committee figured it out. Too bad that the USB committee failed to build the standard so there would be fewer classes of incompatible USB-C cables.
 
The popular MicroUSB connector is amazingly unreliable garbage. The MicroB SuperSpeed connector still makes me laugh ... and cringe. They are both case studies of a committee-approved design error. No wonder Apple went with Lightning.


It's too bad that a connector more like the Lightning didn't become the USB standard, but it's far too late for that now.

Lightning is a good port/connector, but I don't think it could have scaled up to what the type-c connector can now handle, 240w. Type-c also has 24 pins vs lightning 16 pins.

I totally agree. I was writing also that lightning is more durable and people laughed... I dropped 2 samsungs with usb-c cable plugged in and the phone fell on the cable... The phone had to be repaired because charging port was damaged.
Also, lightning has only 2 pieces, while usb-c has 3. You can easily bend the small plate inside the phone that has usb-c even while cleaning it.

I've seen lightning ports break off inside the phone too. Easy to fix, as long as you can get them out, but it can still happen. Hopefully Apple will beef up the center piece of the port, maybe with metal instead of it being just a strip of plastic like most manufactures.
 
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You can't market a port as Thunderbolt if it doesn't have at least 3.0 speed. Apple doesn't control the Thunderbolt title.
I'm not saying they will just market its Thunderbolt, they will make it full fledged Thunderbolt, with faster than USB 3.0 speeds, so they don't ever have to mention USB speeds.
 
I wonder how Apple will spin this to make it something Apple-specific and not just "we added USB-C/Thunderbolt".

They won't. It'll barely get mentioned (if at all) just like it barely got mentioned when they removed the wall charger or switched to Lightning-to-USB-C cables.
 
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