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We should find out soon when accessory manufacturers like Anker, Aukey, Baseis, etc. start manufacturing charges and cables that are compliant with the Apple MFi specifications.
Oh sure they will they’re gonna want to make money and don’t forget belkin Good grief
 
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I have had several USB-C Ports break on devices (including two iPad Pros). I've never had a lightning port break on me. I've ended up with it a little loose and have had cables break, but not the port itself. Much much more expensive to replace a port on a device than just get a new cable.

Ya I was wondering about that….
They do look more fragile…
 
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I'm sure the slower speeds have to do with using the A16 vs. the A17. And Apple has until 2024 to complete the transition to USB-C so when they put the A17 in the regular iPhone 16 they will be meeting the intent of the law.
 
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I agree with you completely.

But having to argue that anything better than USB 2.0 is just for "professional needs" highlights how ridiculous this discussion is.

USB-C is the standard that you get in all new consumer tech and is dirt cheap to implement in hardware, even the high-quality and high-speed ports like the ones you see in MacBooks and iPads.

This positioning as anything better than Lightning as frivolous, weird, not trustworthy, "flimsy" or unnecessary just proves how deep the Apple propaganda goes.

And Apple fans wonder where the "iSheep" stereo type comes from. Lol.

Who in their right mind wants to spend $999+ on a smartphone with I/O that's 10+ years old?

Lightning was great in 2012.

But now, 10 years later, it's just time to move on to something faster, better, and cross-compatible with every other consumer technology product made in the last 5-10 years, "professional" needs or not.

100% agreed, and perhaps “professional needs” was not the most appropriate choice of words on my behalf - it was not that long ago that everyone, normie or professional, regularly needed to connect their iPhone to the computer as a normal function of actually using and managing the device.

There just happens to be this weird narrative constantly being pushed of “nobody plugs in their phone anymore” or “why would somebody need to connect over USB in 2023??”
Somehow what used to be the absolute norm for everyone, including the most technically challenged, has become this sort of power-user functionality, all within a very short timeframe. Or at least that seems to be the common perception.
My takeaway is that the smarter everything becomes, the dumber the human race gets.
 
Hopefully it will come with a C to C cable I don’t want to use the one for my iPad Pro. I need to get a A to C cable for my car stereo those still use USB A
I just bought a pack of 3 USB-A to C adapters for my car. Without them I wouldn’t be able to use the newer Apple cables. Even if I don’t upgrade, I’ll still be able to use the USB-C to lightning cables with my 14PM.
 
And, anecdotally, in the handful of years we've had C cables in our house, including purchasing Anker ones to replace the cheap Amazon ones, they fail about 2:1 versus Lightning cables. Generally at the connector.

Purchasing new cables and tossing old ones that cannot be used any longer does not positively impact the environment. You're not going to cut down on how many cables you go through and statistically might use more of them because the connector is easier to damage versus the Lightning connector. I've only had 2 Lightning connectors fail since going to the second gen and both were because the cable fell in the floor and got stomped by one of my kids.
Probably best that you don’t upgrade then 🙂👍
 
USB C ports are a pain in the ass to use. I guess I’ll have to get a magnetic charging platform for my iPhone, Apple Watch & AirPo Pro. I will miss the lightening connectors, I guess I’ll have to take them all in to Apple for recycling. 🙁
You just put the plug in the jack. Orientation doesn't matter. USB C is virtually no different to use than Lightning. I think it's ironic to see people holding up the Lightning plug on their charging cable and claiming how it's so much better than the plug that's already on the other end of the same cable.
 
I have had several USB-C Ports break on devices (including two iPad Pros). I've never had a lightning port break on me. I've ended up with it a little loose and have had cables break, but not the port itself. Much much more expensive to replace a port on a device than just get a new cable.
USB ports don’t break.

They are static items that don’t move.

They can certainly be broken, but that requires manual (human) intervention.
 
Steve said OS X setup Apple for the next 20 years starting back around 2001. Doesn't mean they're going to get rid of OS X anytime soon.
No, but Apple specifically said they would not change the lightning port in the next 10 years in response to MFI accessory makers (and consumers) being reluctant to invest in a technology that was going to be deprecated quickly after making sizable investments in the iPod 30-pin connector. Could you imagine the uproar if Apple had introduced lightning and then dumped it in the very next models when USB-C came out?
 
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I agree with you completely.

But having to argue that anything better than USB 2.0 is just for "professional needs" highlights how ridiculous this discussion is.

USB-C is the standard that you get in all new consumer tech and is dirt cheap to implement in hardware, even the high-quality and high-speed ports like the ones you see in MacBooks and iPads.

This positioning as anything better than Lightning as frivolous, weird, not trustworthy, "flimsy" or unnecessary just proves how deep the Apple propaganda goes.

And Apple fans wonder where the "iSheep" stereo type comes from. Lol.

Who in their right mind wants to spend $999+ on a smartphone with I/O that's 10+ years old?

Lightning was great in 2012.

But now, 10 years later, it's just time to move on to something faster, better, and cross-compatible with every other consumer technology product made in the last 5-10 years, "professional" needs or not.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Completely correct. Why does Google offer a better IO on a £300 handset?
 
While I do believe that the Lightning port is inherently more durable than USB-C due to its structural simplicity (albeit with 8/16-pins, vs the 24 used in USB-C), I'm not really wedded to its supremacy.

Neither is AAPL, if I understand things correctly . . . since 2016, they've been whole-heartedly incorporating TB3 ports, which are basically USB-C

Port standardisation makes complete sense.

Personally, I've only experienced two instances of failed (black) pins on older Lightning plugs. Mostly, it's the cable just past the connector that's eventually cracked/failed over time. Never had a port fail.

Not really used USB-C long-enough to really form any judgement.

My expectation for any slim/svelt cable is about the same for long-term durability :)
 
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You just put the plug in the jack. Orientation doesn't matter. USB C is virtually no different to use than Lightning. I think it's ironic to see people holding up the Lightning plug on their charging cable and claiming how it's so much better than the plug that's already on the other end of the same cable.
Not exactly true. While I wouldn't characterize it as "so much better", Lightning allows for greater degrees off-axis insertion in all directions as the tab is self-guiding into the port. UBS-C requires nearly perpendicular insertion with the port friction against the plug beginning about 1.3mm in the port before the lightning. This wiggle room is why it is much easier to blindly plug in a lightning connector than USB-C. The plug on the other end of the cable is a non-issue as it is less frequently unplugged.
 
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A closer look at the iPhone 15's USB-C connectors. It's the real deal.

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Source: X @Unknownz21
 
I'm not saying they will just market its Thunderbolt, they will make it full fledged Thunderbolt, with faster than USB 3.0 speeds, so they don't ever have to mention USB speeds.
No A series SOC has supported Thunderbolt to date. The iPad Air and iPad Pro support Thunderbolt, but have a M series SOC. The iPad mini has an A series SOC and only supports USB 3.1 Gen 1 over the Type-C cable.

So what you're saying is that Apple is going to do something it's never done before, but it's not going to do something it's already doing. Not impossible, but it's a claim that warrants more justification than "marketing."

Edit: Meant to say iPad Mini not Mac Mini
 
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