Images of Alleged iPhone 15 USB-C Connector Parts Leak Online

[phenste]

I don't mind USB-C itself, but I hate the implementation on my mac studio.
The port is just literalli a hole, with no indentation, and you have no grip when unplugging cables.
I often end up dragging the mac studio along with the cable, despite putting a lot of care into this action...

ahh, I see what you mean—that's not something I'd thought about with my MBP, where I'm usually resting a hand on it for stability while unplugging cables without thinking about it. I can see how the port would be an inconvenience on any desktop setup. (yeesh, now I'm imagining pulling one out of the back of an iMac…)

 

[CatalinApple]

I'm still not sure I believe this was really the EU's doing. Apple has been doing this transition gradually starting with the all USB-C MacBook, then the iPad Pro and so on well before this rule that still doesn't take effect until the end of next year.

I do wonder if Apple will make a Lightning to USB-C adapter like they did when they removed the headphone jack?

In 2012 at the Apple event for the unveiling of the iPhone 5, Phil Schiller called Lightning "a modern connector for the next decade.” This makes me think that Apple would have made the transition without the EU law because this year is Lightning's connector 11th birthday.

 

[AND411]

EU decides what can be sold within EU.

Has the EU ever done anything else? Of course, the rules only apply to products sold here in the EU and associated countries.
Consumer protection is a high priority in the EU and many useful product or service changes have already been enforced. Some of these rules are so good that they are being adopted by other countries
Who the hell doubts the sense of using only uniform port standards?
By the way, the EU's next big project is on the way, which will annoy Apple. The customer must be able to change the batteries in the smartphones himself.

 

[phenste]

No A series SOC has supported Thunderbolt to date. The iPad Air and iPad Pro support Thunderbolt, but have a M series SOC. The Mac mini has an A series SOC and only supports USB 3.1 Gen 1 over the Type-C cable.

So what you're saying is that Apple is going to do something it's never done before, but it's not going to do something it's already doing. Not impossible, but it's a claim that warrants more justification than "marketing."

wait, firstly…since when does any mini model have an A-series?

secondly: I'm completely blanking on what the rumors are at this point about 3nm and when it's expected to arrive on iPhones, so, I'll just pose this as a hypothetical: do you think the switch to 3nm on A-series would enable them to add Thunderbolt support? (I'd have to imagine it simply hasn't been possible with any prior version)

 

[Sebalto]

Has the EU ever done anything else? Of course, the rules only apply to products sold here in the EU and associated countries.
Consumer protection is a high priority in the EU and many useful product or service changes have already been enforced. Some of these rules are so good that they are being adopted by other countries
Who the hell doubts the sense of using only uniform port standards?
By the way, the EU's next big project is on the way, which will annoy Apple. The customer must be able to change the batteries in the smartphones himself.

Stunning and brave.

 

[paradox00]

didn't say lightning is *better*, but it's more environmentally friendly to keep it around instead of switching to USB-C when we all know Apple ultimately will make a portless phone.

If and when Apple switches to a portless phone; the USB-C cable for your phone will still work with all your other devices, because it's a (near) universal standard.

How would Apple continuing to make more cables that will become obsolete as soon as they drop the lightning port a more environmentally friendly solution? Have you thought this through?

 

[Appleandy]

Has the EU ever done anything else? Of course, the rules only apply to products sold here in the EU and associated countries.
Consumer protection is a high priority in the EU and many useful product or service changes have already been enforced. Some of these rules are so good that they are being adopted by other countries
Who the hell doubts the sense of using only uniform port standards?
By the way, the EU's next big project is on the way, which will annoy Apple. The customer must be able to change the batteries in the smartphones himself.

We also have none apple app stores on the way

🍾🎉🍾🎉

 

[paradox00]

wait, firstly…since when does any mini model have an A-series?

secondly: I'm completely blanking on what the rumors are at this point about 3nm and when it's expected to arrive on iPhones, so, I'll just pose this as a hypothetical: do you think the switch to 3nm on A-series would enable them to add Thunderbolt support? (I'd have to imagine it simply hasn't been possible with any prior version)

iPad Mini 6th gen has an A15 SOC.

If the iPhone Pros go to 3nm this year and the non-pro iPhones go to 3nm next year, why would they be treated differently when they do get 3nm? If the iPhone Pros got thunderbolt this year, and it somehow was because of 3nm, why wouldn't the iPhones get thunderbolt with 3nm next year? This is why casually saying the iPhone Pro will get Thunderbolt for marketing purposes is problematic; it raises a lot of questions about what Apples SOC roadmap looks like.

 

[phenste]

iPad Mini 6th gen has an A15 SOC.

If the iPhone Pros go to 3nm this year and the non-pro iPhones go to 3nm next year, why would they be treated differently when they do get 3nm? If the iPhone Pros got thunderbolt this year, and it somehow was because of 3nm, why wouldn't the iPhones get thunderbolt with 3nm next year? This is why casually saying the iPhone Pro will get Thunderbolt for marketing purposes is problematic; it raises a lot of questions about what Apples SOC roadmap looks like.

OH, you meant iPad mini—you typed Mac mini in the response and that led to my confusion, my bad 😆

yeah, at this point, speculation about TB on iPhones is nothing more than that: speculation. we'll have to wait and see if they end up with it; either way, non-Pros getting USB 2 speeds is simply unfair for the price point (and the fact that it's 2023), and it would be even more egregious if 3nm enables TB and 3nm extends to all iPhones next year (provided it even comes to the Pros this year).

 

[ericwn]

Nope as long as I have disposable income, I’ll decide if I want to upgrade or not.

Guess the lesson learned is to not purchase proprietary charging cables if you don’t have a use case as proprietary stuff typically ends at some stage, and this one certainly was on everyone’s radar for a while.

 

[ericwn]

iPhone is obsolete anyway with vision pro, I want apple vision air now

So it’s obsolete based on the future version of a not yet released new product. Makes total sense!

 

[MrRom92]

If and when Apple switches to a portless phone; the USB-C cable for your phone will still work with all your other devices, because it's a (near) universal standard.

How would Apple continuing to make more cables that will become obsolete as soon as they drop the lightning port a more environmentally friendly solution? Have you thought this through?

If and when Apple announces a portless iPhone, I will go into the Apple Store and buy several new iPhones to keep as backup, whichever is the most up to date model to still use a port. And that’s the phone I will remain on for the foreseeable future. No more upgrades after that until the portless iPhone is equally capable as the ones that have ports, and we’re a loooooooong ways off from that science fiction becoming a reality.

 

[paradox00]

OH, you meant iPad mini—you typed Mac mini in the response and that led to my confusion, my bad 😆

yeah, at this point, speculation about TB on iPhones is nothing more than that: speculation. we'll have to wait and see if they end up with it; either way, non-Pros getting USB 2 speeds is simply unfair for the price point (and the fact that it's 2023), and it would be even more egregious if 3nm enables TB and 3nm extends to all iPhones next year (provided it even comes to the Pros this year).

haha.. I didn't notice that even when you pointed it out. Brain autocorrect. That said, the Apple Silicon developer kits were an A series chip in a Mac Mini enclosure... but that definitely isn't what I meant.

 

[OneBar]

Probably best that you don’t upgrade then 🙂👍

Well unfortunately my 11PM is getting a little long in the tooth and it starting to have some modem issues I think and I'm not getting a 14 if I'm keeping a phone for 4 generations or more.

Not upgrading doesn't solve the problem. The type C isn't a very robust connector design. At least not as robust as type A or Lightning. And now we're stuck with it until the legislation allows for a different design that everyone must adopt.

 

[tripsync]

There's nothing stopping them from doing that, portless devices are still allowed.

You're misunderstanding.

Portless didn't seem to be ready yet, but because of USB-C switch, they're delaying portless since it would anger customers to switch to USB-C for 1-2 years before introducing portless. 1-2 years of unnecessary increased demand for USB-C cables = ewaste.

 

[tripsync]

Port-less or not, no manufacturer would sell a phone without including means of connecting it to power.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Appleandy]

Portless is pointless, Apple wouldn't release a phone that you can only charge slowly

Would be insane

 

[tripsync]

It's obviously the only right path forward, as anyone with insight will tell you

Nope. Wrong. If you truly believe that, you're ignoring the other side and don't care about the facts.

 

[tripsync]

Apple can still go portless and use MagSafe, provided people can plug their MagSafe cables into USB-C chargers, or no? I guess the biggest MagSafe challenge for now is a fast data transfer.

Doesn't make sense if you included a USB-C port for a few years and then go portless. That'll anger the customers much more than keeping lightning for a few years and then go portless.

Portless is likely delayed by at least several years to avoid changing ports too often. Instead of going portless early and encouraging MagSafe as the standard for charging, perhaps we're getting USB-C for a decade before moving to portless.

 

[SmugMaverick]

I wonder how Apple will spin this to make it something Apple-specific and not just "we added USB-C/Thunderbolt".

Same way they claimed OLED was poo before them.

They've perfected it 😆 and I doubt they'll call it USB-C, Probably Thunderbolt.

 

[ericwn]

Doesn't make sense if you included a USB-C port for a few years and then go portless. That'll anger the customers much more than keeping lightning for a few years and then go portless.

Portless is likely delayed by at least several years to avoid changing ports too often. Instead of going portless early and encouraging MagSafe as the standard for charging, perhaps we're getting USB-C for a decade before moving to portless.

And what a loss it will be for everyone.

 

[tripsync]

How is a portless iPhone supposed to replace the TB3 connector? A TB3 connector is for fast data transfer, how should it be replaced in a portless iPhone?

Most customers don't need fast data transfer. AirDrop via wifi 7 connection is fast enough for most people, even pros.

A portless iPhone is even more of a waste, since everyone has to use a wireless charger.

How is that different than "everyone has to use USB-C"? Weird take.

 

[tripsync]

So instead of USBC u need a magsafe cable. What’s environmental friendly about that?
And additional u get less efficient charging and slower data transfer.

Apple produces extra billions of USB-C cables and then goes portless means billions of USB-C cables were unnecessarily produced.

Far better to just stick with lightning and then go portless since most Apple customers have a surplus of lightning.

Instead UsBC cable for a few bucks, magsafe cable apple sells for tripple the price.

Qi also works. Qi is cheap.

 

[paradox00]

Doesn't make sense if you included a USB-C port for a few years and then go portless. That'll anger the customers much more than keeping lightning for a few years and then go portless.

Portless is likely delayed by at least several years to avoid changing ports too often. Instead of going portless early and encouraging MagSafe as the standard for charging, perhaps we're getting USB-C for a decade before moving to portless.

The part people will be unhappy with is the removal of a port, regardless of which port it is. People can already go magsafe only if they want. Forcing Magsafe only is a downgrade in charging options. The switch to USB-C isn't the dumb part here, the going port-less part is.

But at least USB-C cables will still have value if Apple goes port-less, as they work with everything else, unlike lightning.

 

[tripsync]

I’ve been through countless lightning cables over the past ten years, they’re not exactly robust. They break all the time and go straight to landfill.

Meanwhile, and this is anecdotal of course, not a single usb c in our house has broken yet.

So I’m happy to switch to usb c which will hopefully cut down on my environmental impact a little. It most certainly won’t make it worse.

Not sure what the argument is about durability. There is nothing to suggest USB-C spec is technically stronger than lightning. It's up to the manufacturer and designer to use whatever materials to protect the cable.

If you're talking about Apple cables vs third party, third party uses PVC materials that are bad for environment (possibly toxic to humans) but are more durable and cheaper. Apple avoids that material.

Switching to USB-C means Apple will include a USB-C cable that's roughly the same durability assuming same materials are used.