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iOS 10.1.1 Jailbreak Released

thadoggfather

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TriJetHero said:
Maybe because he is busy and it is too much hassle to fix it? From wat I have read he ran in some unexpected problems.
Sometimes effort and exploit fixes don't weigh up to the gain.

But like I said before maybe he will, who knows. Don't forget there are just no guarantees, you get this for free and are not entitled to a stable JB.
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I disagree,

Luca owes it to ALL OF US. Including Stefan Esser. And Tim Cook. And Scott Forstall. And Steve Woz. He better deliver. I wait three months on a nearly 1k phone, and made a purchase on the conditional expectation and requirement that Luca bring the ruckus and birth an untether offspring. I demand untether too. In the prettiest GUI man has ever seen, that would shame Ive's iOS7+ UI, "UIve" on Mac, linux (all distros), and all windows dating from 2000 onward, plus 32-bit support for peace of mind

If I don't get all of this, I want my moneys back. fRom apple and Luca. in a word, why? courage!
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Tig Bitties

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TriJetHero said:
Maybe because he is busy and it is too much hassle to fix it? From wat I have read he ran in some unexpected problems.
Sometimes effort and exploit fixes don't weigh up to the gain.

But like I said before maybe he will, who knows. Don't forget there are just no guarantees, you get this for free and are not entitled to a stable JB.
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I understand. It's like Android ROM developers it's rude to ask and expect updates. But...they almost all do chime in with some news and ongoing progress.

And ROM developers never just leave a half finished product out there. They always continue to work on it and polish it to be more stable. I've never seen a developer release a half baked ROM and then just disappear to never be heard from again.

I'm just not used to this JB scene. So different than the Android ROM scene. This iPhone Jailbreak crowd is so secretive and quiet. It's all very strange to me.
 
thadoggfather

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Tig Bitties said:
I understand. It's like Android ROM developers it's rude to ask and expect updates. But...they almost all do chime in with some news and ongoing progress.

And ROM developers never just leave a half finished product out there. They always continue to work on it and polish it to be more stable.

I'm just not used to this JB scene. So different than the Android ROM scene. This iPhone Jailbreak crowd is so secretive and quiet. It's all very strange to me.
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There is a secret sandbox handshake, and a password, and it is a variant of alpineFidelio.
 
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Tig Bitties said:
I understand. It's like Android ROM developers it's rude to ask and expect updates. But...they almost all do chime in with some news and ongoing progress.

And ROM developers never just leave a half finished product out there. They always continue to work on it and polish it to be more stable. I've never seen a developer release a half baked ROM and then just disappear to never be heard from again.

I'm just not used to this JB scene. So different than the Android ROM scene. This iPhone Jailbreak crowd is so secretive and quiet. It's all very strange to me.
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I have seen ROM's in development been upgraded to newer ROM's and be abandoned, look at it a positive way.

Basically Android is pretty simple development as there are always devices with unlocked bootloaders.
It is open source by design as opposed to Apple which is not to be open at all.
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Tig Bitties said:
What does that mean in English ?
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A typical JB needs around 5 exploits.

Luca has more 0day exploit and also his KPP exploit still works on 10.2.
He is not willing to expose those, if he means for 10.1.1 or for 10.2+ is unclear.

Just shows that sometimes devs hold off in using their exploits.
There was a big fight between the iphone devteam and chronic over a exploit released a few years ago, some devs wanted that exploit not exposed so they could use in the future to explore other exploits.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2010/12/23/jailbreak-drama-who-leaked-the-shatter-exploit/
 
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TriJetHero said:
I have seen ROM's in development been upgraded to newer ROM's and be abandoned, look at it a positive way.

Basically Android is pretty simple development as there are always devices with unlocked bootloaders.
It is open source by design as opposed to Apple which is not to be open at all.
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Sounds like similar development issues on Samsung Galaxy phones on U.S. carriers. Back around the Note 4 and S5 time, all the U.S carriers put a bootloader lock on the Samsung phones, making custom recovery and ROM's impossible, and even basic Root was extremely difficult to achieve because of this. And when some developers could get root for maybe a T-Mobile S5, it was a hacked funky version, and not true root like Android users we're used too, and then the Verizon, Sprint, and ATT versions were still locked down. And then a firmware update later on would kill that root method. So I say *** you Scamsung and U.S carriers :(

Even today, the S7 / S7 Edge is still locked down tight on U.S. carriers ZERO ROM's, and even root has never truly been achieved across the board on the the S7 line in the U.S. But people are actively and publicly trying still.

But...developers are always trying to break Samsung's code, and are working hard to get root working, and they are open about it, and discuss it in public forums and sometimes is a group effort within the community, working together. There's no secrets or info held back, or people being quiet about it. Whereas this JB stuff is hush hush, no one has a clue as to what's going on...
 
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TriJetHero said:
Assuming what I known or don't know..mmmm o_O

We have had a few single hackers which are so brilliant they do not need anybody else to develop a working jailbreak (geohot/comex) , but for the most part it is a team effort (iphone devteam, chronic, Evad3rs) or commercially driven groups (Taig, Pangu).
Most devs have private jailbreaks anyway, but they are not releasable as they depend on developer tools.

Jailbreaking is though business which takes time, brilliance, luck and perseverance or money.
There is always a bit of competition involved, some do it for the honor of being the first to crack a new firmware others are in it for the money.

With 10.2 out neither is a big challenge at the moment; it would be a jailbreak for an older firmware which makes the honor a bit less. Money wise it is also less interesting for Pangu and Taig as most potential costumers are already on 10.2.

To fix stuff more exploits might be needed, but why waste them on 10.1.1 if they might work on 10.2 or higher?

Combining all together I see little gain in getting the 10.1.1 Jailbreak to a stable enough big release and from the way Luca is going about it I think it will be some time or not even more then the beta.

Still it might happen....:)
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Jailbreaking goes back a bit further then just Taig or Pangu....
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Luca has published the 8.4.1 jailbreak, he's been integral to all jailbreaks that have come out on iOS 9.

If anyone is qualified to release a jailbreak on their own, it's Luca.

Luca is only making this jailbreak because the exploits were available from 10.1.1.

He still hasn't burned his own personal 0-day exploits.

Just be patient, this jailbreak will work.

I also do think because of kpp jailbreaks will become a lot harder to come by in the future.
 
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Samanosuke said:
Luca has published the 8.4.1 jailbreak, he's been integral to all jailbreaks that have come out on iOS 9.

If anyone is qualified to release a jailbreak on their own, it's Luca.

Luca is only making this jailbreak because the exploits were available from 10.1.1.

He still hasn't burned his own personal 0-day exploits.

Just be patient, this jailbreak will work.

I also do think because of kpp jailbreaks will become a lot harder to come by in the future.
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As I remember Pangu came up with an 8.4.1 JB months before Luca, but they held off for iOS9.

I don't doubt his brilliance, but he only released the source code, leaving it other wizzkids to conjure up a release client.

Besides that it seems you are missing my point, Luca's tweets point to extra exploits which could fix Yula 10.1.1 but he is not using them for some reason, I think he can fix it but won't.

My bet would be that 10.1.1 yula is not going any further than necessary
 
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thadoggfather

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Updated to 64bit Cydia beta.

It's nice. No more selectively swiping parts of buttons to get them to work haha

When Saurik posted link it was in b1 now b5 he moves quick!
 
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thadoggfather said:
https://twitter.com/qwertyoruiopz/status/816099017989951488

sounds like delays to me,

"New releases for yalu will happen, but I am interested in futurerestore since it would actually give me devices to test it on."
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Reading the comments on that Twitter post, wow :(

So sounds like a stable JB release is up in the air now ? For sure nothing coming anytime soon it sounds like unfortunately.

Hmm, well maybe Pangu or some Chinese team will come through on the rumored 10.2 JB in the New year, meaning soon ?
 
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And that is why I keep my old iPhones. If I upgrade a few to wait till the latest iOS is jailbroken, I still have others are jailbroken.
 
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So looks like future restore while jailbroken 9.3.3 -> 10.1.1 method is working for some people but it breaks touchid because of SEP version mismatch. Haven't heard of any other side effects. I'm wondering if I should attempt it with my iPad air that obviously doesn't have touchid. Though yalu doesn't work on the device yet either so I guess I'll wait some more. This is the messiest jb yet eh? :p
 
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