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MacDevil7334

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I've seen you post about this issue, but I still don't understand, what the actual issue is. I only ask, because it seems to not be an issue for others.
Fair point. Here's what I mean:

On iOS 10.0-10.1.1, when you tap the Now Playing section of the bottom bar (on the right) in the Music app, the panel slides up revealing the controls, volume slider, shuffle button, lyrics, etc. Notice how the width of the pane stays the same width as the view is when it is collapsed in the bottom navigation bar and the rest of the music app is visible on the left.
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On iOS 10.2 here's what the Now Playing view looks like. It takes up the whole screen.
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Now, you might be saying that Apple simply made a design change. But, I don't think so for a few reasons. First, all the elements on the 10.2 view are the same sizes as they were on 10.0-10.1. There's just a bunch of wasted white space now. Second, the arrow to minimize the view at the top is partially covered by the clock and is very difficult to tap to close. That hardly seems like a deliberate design choice. Finally, and most importantly, the animation when closing this view is glitched in 10.2.
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When you close the view, it doesn't shrink down to it's original position on the right third of the bottom navigation bar. Instead, it shrinks to the far left side of the screen, where the Library, For You, Browse, etc. buttons normally are.
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Then, after maybe a half second, the collapsed Now Playing view pops back over to the right side where it belongs and the other buttons reappear.
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It may be that Apple decided to change the Now Playing view to make it full screen. If that is the case, then they still need to fix the closing animation. But I'm inclined to believe the whole thing is a bug, as all the wasted space and the difficulty closing the Now Playing view make no sense from a design perspective. It's not a show-stopper bug by any means. But it is irritating since this is a new bug introduced in 10.2, was reported to Apple in beta 1, and still hasn't been fixed.
 
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Mlrollin91

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Mlrollin91, we will be seeing the first beta of iOS 10.3 in the early January. Again, it should be followed like iOS 9.3 beta 1 did.

I would hardly call second week of Jan. early Jan. But iOS 10 is 2-3 weeks behind iOS 9, so remember that. I'm betting Jan. 23 for beta 1. Jan 16th is a holiday.
 

Statusnone88

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Can confirm the Bluetooth issue with my Sync 3 system in my Mustang is NOT fixed. I was listening to a podcast, the audio randomly paused, and after trying to unpause it, the connection cut out and I had to listen via USB.

Such an absolute pain in the ass. How is this not fixed yet?
 

Mlrollin91

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Or before the holiday. I'll be hoping for that.

Wont happen. 10.1 was 2 weeks later than last year, 10.2 is already a week later than last year. No way we are getting 10.3 the week of the 9th, thats earlier than last year. 23rd makes the most sense. I hope we don't get it before the 23rd, that means they didn't change enough to warrant a long gap.
 

MacDevil7334

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Wont happen. 10.1 was 2 weeks later than last year, 10.2 is already a week later than last year. No way we are getting 10.3 the week of the 9th, thats earlier than last year. 23rd makes the most sense. I hope we don't get it before the 23rd, that means they didn't change enough to warrant a long gap.

We've had 4 betas in the last 9 days and have had several Friday beta releases during iOS 10. Can we all please just agree that nobody outside of Apple has any idea what the beta release schedule is and that it is a waste of everyone's time to have these endless posts speculating on when the next beta will drop?
 

Mlrollin91

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We've had 4 betas in the last 9 days and have had several Friday beta releases during iOS 10. Can we all please just agree that nobody outside of Apple has any idea what the beta release schedule is and that it is a waste of everyone's time to have these endless posts speculating on when the next beta will drop?

All I was doing was responding to a post claiming that we are on the same path as last year. Clearly we are not. Based on 4 betas in 9 days and the fact that all the betas have been released at different times compared to last year. My point is your point. We don't know so we can't look to the past to predict the future.
 

john991

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This beta seemed to remove my music from my device!

It happens the option for iCloud music library was turned off after installing this beta. And for the life of me couldn't get the songs downloaded in batch mode. I had to re download all my albums manually!

Anyone else notice this?
 

sbailey4

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I think we will get a new 10.2 seed for public release. Typically the final beta that is the public seed has the full installer, not a delta.
HA are you still playing this game? Last beta, no way another beta, This one HAS to be it because xxxxx, (2) 10.1.1's surely you have learned that no telling what may be :)

Ha ha ha app switcher still stutter ...
HAHAHAHAHAHA not here smooth as whale s*** of 6s.

Stop expecting UI fixes people. It isn't going to happen with this version. It'll be iOS 10.3 or iOS 11 when these issues will be ironed out. They have more important things to look at than UI "bugs".
Like?

I think you missed the point of my post. My point is exactly what you just said. They said a public release is coming next week with the battery diagnostic tool. So why release a beta with it? The diagnostic tool isn't going to be something that the public can use, its Apple's side. So I don't understand why they would need to send out a beta with that tool.
To make sure that battery diagnostic to see why batteries are dying don't kill the battery?
 

Mlrollin91

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HA are you still playing this game? Last beta, no way another beta, This one HAS to be it because xxxxx, (2) 10.1.1's surely you have learned that no telling what may be :)


To make sure that battery diagnostic to see why batteries are dying don't kill the battery?

I think its a pretty safe bet that we will get a final 10.2 seed. Its not really 'playing' a game when the last 3 builds have all been tiny deltas. Never once as the final beta that was the final build been a delta, it has been the full installer.

To your second point. I'm sure they can do alpha testing to see if the diagnostic tool is killing battery life. Seems rather simple.
 

C DM

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I think its a pretty safe bet that we will get a final 10.2 seed. Its not really 'playing' a game when the last 3 builds have all been tiny deltas. Never once as the final beta that was the final build been a delta, it has been the full installer.

To your second point. I'm sure they can do alpha testing to see if the diagnostic tool is killing battery life. Seems rather simple.
It certainly doesn't hurt and only helps to get it out to more people and see how it behaves for a few days at least before getting it all out to everyone essentially.
 

Jayson A

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Fair point. Here's what I mean:

On iOS 10.0-10.1.1, when you tap the Now Playing section of the bottom bar (on the right) in the Music app, the panel slides up revealing the controls, volume slider, shuffle button, lyrics, etc. Notice how the width of the pane stays the same width as the view is when it is collapsed in the bottom navigation bar and the rest of the music app is visible on the left.
77uBHU3uZ.png


On iOS 10.2 here's what the Now Playing view looks like. It takes up the whole screen.
77B2a3pHZ.png


Now, you might be saying that Apple simply made a design change. But, I don't think so for a few reasons. First, all the elements on the 10.2 view are the same sizes as they were on 10.0-10.1. There's just a bunch of wasted white space now. Second, the arrow to minimize the view at the top is partially covered by the clock and is very difficult to tap to close. That hardly seems like a deliberate design choice. Finally, and most importantly, the animation when closing this view is glitched in 10.2.
77Hqus6Do.png


When you close the view, it doesn't shrink down to it's original position on the right third of the bottom navigation bar. Instead, it shrinks to the far left side of the screen, where the Library, For You, Browse, etc. buttons normally are.
77P7cM7xv.png


Then, after maybe a half second, the collapsed Now Playing view pops back over to the right side where it belongs and the other buttons reappear.
77LcKCHy7.png

77PNXZem8.png


It may be that Apple decided to change the Now Playing view to make it full screen. If that is the case, then they still need to fix the closing animation. But I'm inclined to believe the whole thing is a bug, as all the wasted space and the difficulty closing the Now Playing view make no sense from a design perspective. It's not a show-stopper bug by any means. But it is irritating since this is a new bug introduced in 10.2, was reported to Apple in beta 1, and still hasn't been fixed.

Mine doesn't do that. Sorry.
 

Mlrollin91

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It certainly doesn't hurt and only helps to get it out to more people and see how it behaves for a few days at least before getting it all out to everyone essentially.

I guess what my point is, that I haven't conveyed well, is that, if the update is coming next week, what is 3-4 days of beta testing really going to achieve. They won't start getting bug reports in until the weekend and by time they start going through them, 10.2 will probably have already been released to the public.
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One thing for sure and this is not a placebo, battery life on my iPhone 6S Plus with Beta 7 is excellent!

My battery life is incredible. iPhone 7+. 3hrs47min usage, 9hrs2mins standby. That usage includes 1hour of Pokemon Go and 1hour of Real Racing 3. So both 100% screen on time and GPS usage. I still have 74% remaining. A typical hour of Pokemon Go is about 20% on its own on 10.1.1.
 
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gwhizkids

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I think you missed the point of my post. My point is exactly what you just said. They said a public release is coming next week with the battery diagnostic tool. So why release a beta with it? The diagnostic tool isn't going to be something that the public can use, its Apple's side. So I don't understand why they would need to send out a beta with that tool.

Regarding your last question, just because the public can't use the diagnostic tool doesn't mean Apple won't receive a lot of meaningful data from people who have it installed in the beta, both as to the tool's efficacy and, perhaps the actual data the tool is meant to gather.
 

Mlrollin91

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Regarding your last question, just because the public can't use the diagnostic tool doesn't mean Apple won't receive a lot of meaningful data from people who have it installed in the beta, both as to the tool's efficacy and, perhaps the actual data the tool is meant to gather.

I understand that, but as I mentioned above. I don't think they are really going to get that much diagnostic information from beta testers in 4 days of usage before its released. If there is a problem and by time they start reading those problems, it could already be released to the public.

But the other side of that coin is that the last 3 betas have had the same exact release notes, so its hard to even know when we got the diagnostic tool. For all we know we got it in beta 5, they just never mentioned anything until earlier this week. I wish Apple was more transparent of whats going on with these builds.
 

gwhizkids

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I understand that, but as I mentioned above. I don't think they are really going to get that much diagnostic information from beta testers in 4 days of usage before its released. If there is a problem and by time they start reading those problems, it could already be released to the public.

But the other side of that coin is that the last 3 betas have had the same exact release notes, so its hard to even know when we got the diagnostic tool. For all we know we got it in beta 5, they just never mentioned anything until earlier this week. I wish Apple was more transparent of whats going on with these builds.

I would assume tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people are in these betas. That certainly can yield meaningful data, even in just a few days, particularly if they are looking for discrete things. Even some info is better than none.
 

C DM

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I guess what my point is, that I haven't conveyed well, is that, if the update is coming next week, what is 3-4 days of beta testing really going to achieve. They won't start getting bug reports in until the weekend and by time they start going through them, 10.2 will probably have already been released to the public.
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My battery life is incredible. iPhone 7+. 3hrs47min usage, 9hrs2mins standby. That usage includes 1hour of Pokemon Go and 1hour of Real Racing 3. So both 100% screen on time and GPS usage. I still have 74% remaining. A typical hour of Pokemon Go is about 20% on its own on 10.1.1.
They'll start getting some data back to make sure it's coming back fine and they can handle the larger amount of it that is coming back. They can also have it installed on more variety of decides with more configurations and get more confirmation that it's not causing installation issues or something really severe right away. Basically more data that can't hurt.
 

Mlrollin91

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I would assume tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people are in these betas. That certainly can yield meaningful data, even in just a few days, particularly if they are looking for discrete things. Even some info is better than none.

My point was that if there was a problem with the diagnostic tool, such as draining your battery. These bug reports wouldn't be submitted until the weekend, by time people start figuring out what is causing the battery drain. Then Apple really wouldn't have time to fix it before releasing 10.2 unless they released 10.2 and then 10.2.1 to fix that bug. Obviously this is all speculation, but its food for thought.
 

C DM

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My point was that if there was a problem with the diagnostic tool, such as draining your battery. These bug reports wouldn't be submitted until the weekend, by time people start figuring out what is causing the battery drain. Then Apple really wouldn't have time to fix it before releasing 10.2 unless they released 10.2 and then 10.2.1 to fix that bug. Obviously this is all speculation, but its food for thought.
That's one type of problem and one potential outcome of it, there are plenty more immediate or severe issues that could be noticed in shorter period of time that Apple would want to know about. There are also the valid cases of getting more and more additional data over this period of time so that Apple can get a better idea and more reassurance that the additional diagnostic tools are doing their job correctly on a larger scale with more variety of devices and configurations.
 

addamas

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See? Many was right - Apple screwed up iOS 10 power management and that's why phones shut down. Mostly they did that to "block" non-Apple cables to sync or charge properly.
 

Pariah_99

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iPhone 7+ battery life was excellent in beta 6. This is considering I use Bluetooth all day long with 2-3 devices and constantly on phone connected to work.

With all that got home after a 10hr day and still had 50%+
 
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SR71

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I hope battery life remains the same as beta 6.

This is the reason why I'm afraid to update past beta 6. My battery life has been absolutely incredible with beta 6. I've been getting 8 hours of usage, 16 hours of standby with 20-30% battery left by the time I plug in for the night. And that's consistent, every day since installing beta 6 is like that.

Previously I'd never been able to get more than 7-8 hours of usage with 10-11 hours of standby. No idea what beta 6 did, but I'm loving it.
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Exact same issue, it is probably the most annoying bug I've seen for a while...! I've lost many good songs from this, also doesn't help that Apple removed the play history view in iOS 10, why we will never know.

And this is why I use Spotify. Always reliable and haven't had a single glitch like that in years of use. That bug would drive me insane.
 

gwhizkids

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I think Apple is tweaking things, as discussed above, with these betas. But I think they are also stalling, trying to get more cable providers signed up to Single Sign On. Major embarrassment for them if they release 10.2 and the list remains as anemic as it is. Would explain why SSO went live already, also: 10.2 was scheduled for a release this week and Apple had already committed that time frame to those providers already on board (and content providers, too).
 
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