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gwhizkids

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Jun 21, 2013
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just like you ! ;)
This is going to be an increasing problem in mobile computing (and computing for the masses, as a whole): absent some breakthrough technology, we're starting to push the limits. There are millions of apps out there and its likely that only 1-2% get used regularly. I'm not saying a breakthrough isn't going to happen (look at the paradigm shift the iPhone itself wrought), but until it does, I think the range of "killer" features is going to be less and less.
 

DJLAXL

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I wish (although highly doubt) that 10.3 beta 1 comes out today. I don't care if dark mode doesn't come today (although I really want it) but I want new features to play with. Gimme anything apple. I'm struggling here. Bored to death of iOS already.

Same. Sick of stock iOS after 10 years...even a real jailbreak will help...like its been said before:
Jailbroken iOS > Rooted Android > Stock Android> Stock iOS
 

ps3zocker

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May 3, 2012
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Remember the rumors of the HealthBook app and the UI was looking like Wallet (Passbook) that was spread by Mark Gurman? They changed the name to Health and also changed the UI completely. We knew afterwards that this name and UI existed just before WWDC. I believe Apple does these kinds of things in protest of those leaks. I don't think they will release 10.3 today because of the leak, even though it exists.
 
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TurboPGT!

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Its not Dark Mode, and if you even think it is, you don't understand things.

Dark Mode is far too complex and messy to even be considered for 10.x update. And personally I don't think, at all, ever. not without a major commitment from Apple to completely overhaul the UI again.

What would Safari look like? What would Mail look like? Who is going to update the 2.2 million Apps on the store to support it?

This is (would be) a major event that would never be introduced at anything less than WWDC giving developers months to get on board. And even then, this is extreme. This is as extreme as adding a brand new iPhone resolution to the mix, something Apple doesn't do lightly (there hasn't been a new one in 3 years).
 

bigjnyc

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Apr 10, 2008
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Its not Dark Mode, and if you even think it is, you don't understand things.

Dark Mode is far too complex and messy to even be considered for 10.x update. And personally I don't think, at all, ever. not without a major commitment from Apple to completely overhaul the UI again.

What would Safari look like? What would Mail look like? Who is going to update the 2.2 million Apps on the store to support it?

This is (would be) a major event that would never be introduced at anything less than WWDC giving developers months to get on board. And even then, this is extreme. This is as extreme as adding a brand new iPhone resolution to the mix, something Apple doesn't do lightly (there hasn't been a new one in 3 years).

I imagine safari will look like it does now when you go in to private browsing. Tons of apps already do dark mode seamlessly, like tweetbot, infuse, overcast just to name a few that I use every day. It's not as daunting as you're making it seem. I agree with you that its not coming in 10.3 with this supposed theater mode but who knows, apple has been known to throw a curveball every once in a while... so I'm not going to sit here and say with 100% conviction that its impossible.
 

TurboPGT!

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I imagine safari will look like it does now when you go in to private browsing. Tons of apps already do dark mode seamlessly, like tweetbot, infuse, overcast just to name a few that I use every day. It's not as daunting as you're making it seem. I agree with you that its not coming in 10.3 with this supposed theater mode but who knows, apple has been known to throw a curveball every once in a while... so I'm not going to sit here and say with 100% conviction that its impossible.

No, see you don't get to do that. You don't get to dismiss all of the valid points I made with a wave of the hand. This is how the Dark Mode conversation goes every time. People with common sense and developer experience saying "nOpe", and everyone else "Sure its simple."

So what does Private Browsing look like then if Dark Safari looks like that? And...really? That's all you expect out of Dark Mode? That sounds incredibly lame.
 

thatJohann

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Jul 5, 2013
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Have we ever had two dev betas at the same time?

I find it odd that we would have 10.2.1 beta 3 and 10.3 beta 1 at the same time. How would you get one or the other with the same dev profile? would you have to go to dev center?

Anyway, another possibility could be that we get public release of 10.2.1 today (apple might be testing just for one day for last minute bugs), and then also officially release 10.3 beta 1 on dev center. --> My hope!! A bit over an hour to find out!
 

bigjnyc

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No, see you don't get to do that. You don't get to dismiss all of the valid points I made with a wave of the hand. This is how the Dark Mode conversation goes every time. People with common sense and developer experience saying "nOpe", and everyone else "Sure its simple."

So what does Private Browsing look like then if Dark Safari looks like that? And...really? That's all you expect out of Dark Mode? That sounds incredibly lame.

my apologies your highness, I should know my place as a lowly commoner and bow to your superiority as an almighty developer. I retract my lame and false statements, and vow to never question you again.
 

GreyOS

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Apr 12, 2012
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Its not Dark Mode, and if you even think it is, you don't understand things.

Dark Mode is far too complex and messy to even be considered for 10.x update. And personally I don't think, at all, ever. not without a major commitment from Apple to completely overhaul the UI again.

What would Safari look like? What would Mail look like? Who is going to update the 2.2 million Apps on the store to support it?

This is (would be) a major event that would never be introduced at anything less than WWDC giving developers months to get on board. And even then, this is extreme. This is as extreme as adding a brand new iPhone resolution to the mix, something Apple doesn't do lightly (there hasn't been a new one in 3 years).

Please consider all of these points before dismissing me.

1) I think it would be fairly straightforward for Apple to reskin some of the OS UI and their first party apps with a darker UI. We're not talking major UI changes here at all. Just different colours. You're really overstating the difficulty in this, I think. I'm not saying they could do it overnight - but I don't think there are major stumbling blocks for this kind of work. I have developer experience.

2) Many people would be happy if Dark Mode was only ever applied to OS UI and first party apps. Dark Mode on Mac OS pretty much only applies to a few areas of OS UI.

3) If Apple took the wise decision to open this up to third party apps, it would of course need to be handled by each app's developer, rather than Apple trying to applying it automatically - which would basically be impossible given the variety of apps. Your argument is this is too big an ask for a point update, but a point update can spend a long time in beta if necessary. There's been at least one iOS point update - 7.1 I think - that was in beta for about 4 months, which is longer than the typical 3 months that x.0 betas get over the summer following WWDC.

4) Even when Apple introduces major new APIs at WWDC and gives developers 3 months to implement them, there are a still a LOT of apps that don't update for the final release. Many takes months, years - I have some apps that still don't support the larger screens that have been around for over 2 years now. But here's the thing - Apple nearly always makes old apps compatible with new iOS versions, and it introduces its new APIs in a way which doesn't break older apps. So, it doesn't matter if developers don't update in time for a 10.3 dark mode. Their apps won't be affected by it. Just like old apps on iPhone 5 had borders at the top and bottom. Users will grumble to the devs. Many apps probably won't have updated by 11.0 final, or 11.1... etc. You get the picture. This problem of developers not updating is a completely separate issue, one I think Apple could do more to solve, but it really shouldn't, and doesn't, stop them moving the OS forward.
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So what does Private Browsing look like then if Dark Safari looks like that?
Yes, these are some of the minor problems Apple would have to tackle if they do a Dark Mode, but you really think that's enough of a problem to stop them? Surely your imagination isn't that weak? Perhaps the indication that Private Browsing is active would change, for example an icon in the header? That's just one suggestion. I could think up lots. Apple could think up lots. They wouldn't give up on a Dark Mode because they had to think up new interface ideas.

And...really? That's all you expect out of Dark Mode?
Erm, quite simply... Yes... that's more or less what a lot of people expect from a Dark Mode. Not exactly like that perhaps, but that general idea, yes. Nothing too special. A darker UI. I don't see why you have a hard time accepting that?
 
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