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JohnDoe12

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2013 is correct, that is when the cracks began to show. When they redesigned it and messed everything up with iOS 7 (in my opinion), they also messed with the architecture behind it that originally ran at true 60fps which was last present in iOS 6. I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6.1.4 and it is consistently smooth in every corner of the OS. None of this “this update is so smooth!” that you see on here these days when in reality it actually lags in third party apps and even the App Store itself... heck, even control centre isn’t consistently smooth. People have forgotten what a true smooth iOS experience is like because we’ve been accustomed to the jitters and framedrops since 2013 as you said.

Also, agreed about Android being smoother nowadays. I have a Pixel 2 and it runs way smoother than iOS currently does.
Any way you would be willing to sell me that iPhone 5?
 

bashman2020

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I have to join the chorus of regrets here. I have an iPhone 7+, 256GB, AT&T. Since updating to 11 (and its subsequent .x releases):
  • My battery life has diminished by more than 30%. Got between 7.5 and 8 hours of active use from a full charge on 10; get around 5 hours on 11.
  • The notifications panel just disappears for no apparent reason. If I activate when the screen is locked, all I see is my wallpaper. I have to restart the phone to get it to display again.
  • If I'm talking on the phone while it's locked, the phone control panel screen will randomly activate. I've been using AirPods and keeping the phone in my pocket. I'll suddenly hear touch tones, and it's because the control panel has activated, and then the key pad opens and random brushing against my leg presses the numbers.
  • Cellular service, call quality, and data speed has degraded. I rarely get more than 2 bars indoors or out, and streaming video over cellular is choppy, even at low quality.
I've always upgraded to X.0 releases within a week of the general release, but Apple has done its user base a disservice with iOS 11. It still feels like a beta, and each subsequent release is met with disappointment as it fails to correct any of these issues. I'll probably do a factory reset of the phone over the weekend to see if it clears up any of these problems; as somebody who works in software, I would be mortified if I had to tell a customer that was the only course of action to correct bugs spawned by an update.
"Each subsequent release is met with disappointment" this is so true , even with factory reset and restoring the phone with itunes it doesn't fix any glitches or bugs or input lags !!
 

calden

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How about you don’t tell ppl how to use their phones and let them decide? Oh, the letter “I” issue is so tragic...turn off predictive and type a whole message yourself. My calculator does not have any issues, other than the initial 1+2+3 bug that has been fixed.

If all you people have such issues, switch to Android, see what a nightmare that can be, then come back and praise iOS. :)

I have a Samsung Note 8 and a Pixel C, both are fantastic devices with little to no issues. Your comment is simply based on a biasd opinion. Coming back to iOS 11, I just updated to 11.2 beta 3 and my battery is still horrible on my iPad Pro 12.9" 2015. Performance is still no where near it was in 10.3.3. There are bugs everywhere in the system. So much so that I simply do not use it anymore. Instead, I went ahead and bought a PixelBook, I'll skip this generation of iPad's. The PixelBook by the way is fantastic and running the exact same apps I used on the iPad Pro, that and I have a desktop class browser, mouse, external monitor support (4K, extended desktop), etc.
 

Radon87000

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I have a Samsung Note 8 and a Pixel C, both are fantastic devices with little to no issues. Your comment is simply based on a biasd opinion. Coming back to iOS 11, I just updated to 11.2 beta 3 and my battery is still horrible on my iPad Pro 12.9" 2015. Performance is still no where near it was in 10.3.3. There are bugs everywhere in the system. So much so that I simply do not use it anymore. Instead, I went ahead and bought a PixelBook, I'll skip this generation of iPad's. The PixelBook by the way is fantastic and running the exact same apps I used on the iPad Pro, that and I have a desktop class browser, mouse, external monitor support (4K, extended desktop), etc.
It's planned obsolescence. Period.
 

C DM

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I have a Samsung Note 8 and a Pixel C, both are fantastic devices with little to no issues. Your comment is simply based on a biasd opinion. Coming back to iOS 11, I just updated to 11.2 beta 3 and my battery is still horrible on my iPad Pro 12.9" 2015. Performance is still no where near it was in 10.3.3. There are bugs everywhere in the system. So much so that I simply do not use it anymore. Instead, I went ahead and bought a PixelBook, I'll skip this generation of iPad's. The PixelBook by the way is fantastic and running the exact same apps I used on the iPad Pro, that and I have a desktop class browser, mouse, external monitor support (4K, extended desktop), etc.
Sounds like opinions can work the same way the other way around as well.
 

oldmacs

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I don't even know why I bothered upgrading to my iPad Pro 10.5 from my iPad 2. Apple isn't capable of designing an OS that doesn't stutter and jitter.
 
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Radon87000

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Sounds like opinions can work the same way the other way around as well.
It's a fact. I upgraded my Pro 2017 from 10 to 11 and was greeted by a stutterfest and battery dropping 1% every 5 minutes. Downgraded back to 10 and currently my iPad is running for 3 days nonstop and still at 31% battery life.
 

tafmasterpl

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if you’re on 10.3.3 currently i’d advice you don’t update your device as ios 11 is filled with bugs and lags .
REASONS
1. apps aren’t running as expected like they were before the update
2. app launch time is slower
3. battery life is bad
4. slowness across the whole os
5. you can’t downgrade back to ios 10.3.3 if you update your device to 11

So if you plan on holding onto an older iPhone for a while, you probably shouldn’t update. Just keep ignoring those prompts from Apple if you don’t want your phone’s performance to take a hit.

with ios 11 everything is slower not faster !
Bugs and lags are peculiar to iphone 5s, iphone 6, iphone 6s , iphone SE and iphone 7 users

Is home button delay still on top of that? I mean 11.1.2 and 11.2 ? I tested my 7 Plus with 11.0 and 11.0.1 and it was really horrible. I mean iOS 11 is not that bad, safari was running quite good, apps were running quite good(when they finally launched with this slow animation, but this is animation problem not an OS) and there were minor glitches but nothing bad i can live with that, but i can't live with 2 second delay home button(comparing to iOS 10.3.3)
If you ask, yes i'm always running a clean copy of every major OS 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 11.0 with clean restore without itunes backup.
 
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Radon87000

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Is home button delay still on top of that? I mean 11.1.2 and 11.2 ? I tested my 7 Plus with 11.0 and 11.0.1 and it was really horrible. I mean iOS 11 is not that bad, safari was running quite good, apps were running quite good(when they finally launched with this slow animation, but this is animation problem not an OS) and there were minor glitches but nothing bad i can live with that, but i can't live with 2 second delay home button(comparing to iOS 10.3.3)
If you ask, yes i'm always running a clean copy of every major OS 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 11.0 with clean restore without itunes backup.
I agree with you. The home button delay is unbearable and it's still there as of 11.2 Beta 4. My 7 Plus only lasts 7 hours of battery life as against 12 hours on iOS 10. Do not turn your device into trash. Stay on 10.3.3 and don't touch iOS 11 with a barge pole
 

C DM

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It's a fact. I upgraded my Pro 2017 from 10 to 11 and was greeted by a stutterfest and battery dropping 1% every 5 minutes. Downgraded back to 10 and currently my iPad is running for 3 days nonstop and still at 31% battery life.
Anecdotes and facts are not the same thing. And if someone said that someone's experience is an opinion, then surely their experience is then an opinion as well. It's all really basic logic. I think we've all lost count how many times we've already gone over it and in how many threads.
 
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Feenician

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The home button delay is unbearable

The same intentional pause, waiting for a second click, that’s been on every iPhone and every iPad for every version of iOS since 2010 when multitasking was introduced, save for one model of Phone for one year, is now “unbearable”. Makes you wonder how they sold billions of these things, doesn’t it?

Ever consider the problem is not the phone or iOS?
 
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Mac32

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Totally agree! The day-to-day difference between iOS10 and iOS11 is near non-existant in terms of features, but the battery life is considerably worse. Wish I never upgraded from iOS 10.3.3, which worked pretty much perfect.
 

KGB7

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I’ve updated my iPhone and iPad to iOS 11 and it is crap. It’s such a huge brown cow crap that I just love it. Better than bath salts.

:rolleyes:
 

now i see it

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I learned my lesson years ago. Currently running an "old" IP6+ on "outdated" iOS 9.3.5 and everything works perfectly. I wish the phone had another 1 GB of ram, but other than that, I can confidently say that this old phone with its old OS runs "nicer" than the new ones.

Sorry state of affairs at Apple these days.
 

jonnysods

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I agree with you. The home button delay is unbearable and it's still there as of 11.2 Beta 4. My 7 Plus only lasts 7 hours of battery life as against 12 hours on iOS 10. Do not turn your device into trash. Stay on 10.3.3 and don't touch iOS 11 with a barge pole

My son has a 5S on 10.3 and I forbade him from going any further! So much regret on my 6S...
 

slooksterPSV

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Funny some people are having issues and I’m on an SE and it works perfect. Maybe you need to do a clean install? This phone came with 9.1 I think, upped to 10.3 them 11 when it came out. It’s been great
 

Altis

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I learned my lesson years ago. Currently running an "old" IP6+ on "outdated" iOS 9.3.5 and everything works perfectly. I wish the phone had another 1 GB of ram, but other than that, I can confidently say that this old phone with its old OS runs "nicer" than the new ones.

Sorry state of affairs at Apple these days.

iOS 9.3 was the best version since 6. I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could on my iPhone 6, but alas, apparently Apple owns the device and gets to decide how it's run.
 
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Radon87000

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The same intentional pause, waiting for a second click, that’s been on every iPhone and every iPad for every version of iOS since 2010 when multitasking was introduced, save for one model of Phone for one year, is now “unbearable”. Makes you wonder how they sold billions of these things, doesn’t it?

Ever consider the problem is not the phone or iOS?
I don’t deny that I never noticed it before IPhone 7. However they showed us greatness and took it away. That’s noticeable and the older solution is almost unusable.

I had no problems using my 60hz iPads for years now. But now that I have used a ProMotion iPad on 120hz all other iPads seem stuttery in comparison and are unusable.
 

oldmacs

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Funny some people are having issues and I’m on an SE and it works perfect. Maybe you need to do a clean install? This phone came with 9.1 I think, upped to 10.3 them 11 when it came out. It’s been great

For me it worked relatively ok, but I'm yet to see an SE (And I've dealt with a lot of them) on iOS 11 that doesn't jitter and drop frames.
 

bashman2020

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Funny some people are having issues and I’m on an SE and it works perfect. Maybe you need to do a clean install? This phone came with 9.1 I think, upped to 10.3 them 11 when it came out. It’s been great
see doing a clean install doesn't help any bit rather it creates new bugs and lags
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My son has a 5S on 10.3 and I forbade him from going any further! So much regret on my 6S...
best don't let him upgrade to 11 or his phone gonna turn into a hub for lags and stutters and that's gon be a disaster
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iOS 9.3 was the best version since 6. I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could on my iPhone 6, but alas, apparently Apple owns the device and gets to decide how it's run.
and this is quite frustrating i mean how can a user not have control over his phone but then apple decides how your device runs smh
[doublepost=1511104232][/doublepost]Everyone i've spoken with or chatted with has got one issue or the other with ios 11 and it's spilling out everyday annoying thing is no improvements done whatsoever performance wise instead they keep adding useless features we don't need that will rather kill our devices than fix them
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iOS 9.3 was the best version since 6. I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could on my iPhone 6, but alas, apparently Apple owns the device and gets to decide how it's run.
i'd still keep on saying it ios 10 was the best yet performance wise across all ios devices
 
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Radon87000

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I absolutely love the satisfaction of having my iPad Pro stay on iOS 10 and have Timmy not ruin my device with battery drain and home button delay. The rebel in me is smiling as I am going to remain a part of that 12% or so on that marketing chart Apple puts up at their keynote
 
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bashman2020

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I absolutely love the satisfaction of having my iPad Pro stay on iOS 10 and have Timmy not ruin my device with battery drain and home button delay. The rebel in me is smiling as I am going to remain a part of that 12% or so on that marketing chart Apple puts up at their keynote
yeah right i have people still on ios 10 and i can obviously see the change performance wise compared to ios 11 . things and apps are faster to launch on ios 10 than it is on 11 .. 11 is much more slower !
 
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