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Software head Craig Federighi announced the revised plan to employees at a meeting earlier this month, shortly before he and some top lieutenants headed to a company offsite.

On the cutting board: Pushed into 2019 are a number of features including a refresh of the home screen and in-car user interfaces, improvements to core apps like mail and updates to the picture-taking, photo editing and sharing experiences.
So where's the letter? And where is the actual reasoning for it?
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In other words, I can only conclude that short of Apple destroying the phone in some way, you will not accept their intent on the basis of their action
As mentioned many times before, the intent can be hypothized (and different hypothesis can exist), short of there being actual information about the intent itself. That's the whole point about something being presented as fact and being proof vs. a conjecture.
 
I think what Apple needs to do is go all out and re-create macOS and iOS. The macOS should run on all Macintosh computers ever produced, and the iOS should run on all iPhones ever produced.

Was it AT&T to shut down 2G, crippling the original iPhone? Damn. Gotta start a lawsuit against them too for 4 years of planning the obsolescence of the original iPhone.

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I think what Apple needs to do is go all out and re-create macOS and iOS. The macOS should run on all Macintosh computer ever produced, and the iOS should run on all iPhones ever produced.

Was it AT&T to shut down 2G, crippling the original iPhone? Damn. Gotta start a lawsuit against them too for 4 years of planning the obsolescence.
What Apple needs to do is to support version switching. I should be able to try iOS 12 on my iPad Pro and if I don't like it, go back to 10. Its really that simple. I want to decide whether perofmrnace or battery life is good enough. Apple cant make the decision as they simply don't know the choices of millions of users.
 
What Apple needs to do is to support version switching. I should be able to try iOS 12 on my iPad Pro and if I don't like it, go back to 10. Its really that simple. I want to decide whether perofmrnace or battery life is good enough. Apple cant make the decision as they simply don't know the choices of millions of users.

Why iOS 10? Wouldn't iOS 1 run faster on iPhone 7 than it did on the original iPhone?

There is just no satisfying people, is there? They keep adding features, people blame obsolescence when old hardware is not properly optimised for it. They double down on performance across the spectrum of devices, and some are saying this is a boring release with nothing new.

What kind of magic do people expect year after year like clockwork, just because they have a ton of cash in the bank?
 
But do you not think that iOS 1 would run faster on iPhone 7 than it did on the original iPhone?
I would use iOS 10 on an iPhone 7 and iOS 1 on the iPhone 1 because that's what they were designed for. Likewise I would install iOS 8 on the iPhone 6. I want a fast device. I really don't care what OS version its on. I would like updates to newer versions which do not severely slow down the phone like iOS 11---->12 or iOS 9----->10. But in case the update degrades performance severely, I would like a way back yet not in a way which would lock me out. My iPad is currently locked on 10. I would like to try 12 but not with Apple breathing down my neck and forcing me to stay on it.
 
Seriously, guys.. this thing will never end, will it! Hehe..
 

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I would use iOS 10 on an iPhone 7 and iOS 1 on the iPhone 1 because that's what they were designed for. Likewise I would install iOS 8 on the iPhone 6. I want a fast device. I really don't care what OS version its on. I would like updates to newer versions which do not severely slow down the phone like iOS 11---->12 or iOS 9----->10. But in case the update degrades performance severely, I would like a way back yet not in a way which would lock me out. My iPad is currently locked on 10. I would like to try 12 but not with Apple breathing down my neck and forcing me to stay on it.

That forcing you is for your security. Nothing else. I do not see any other reason why Apple would not allow signing of older software.
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No it wont. It will only end when Apple supports multiple OS builds like Microsoft and Google do and shut us naysayers up.

In other words, when Apple stops being Apple and becomes Microsoft. You want Apple but not with the taste and features (or lack thereof) of Apple. Why not pick another fruit then!
 
Tomorrow Apple could literally slow down all iPhones except the X to a crawl and you would still be here saying until and unless Apple themselves come out and say "Yes, we have been maliciously slowing down iPhones so that you buy new ones" there is no proof.

Actions speak louder than words, and we have seen Apple's actions


https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...-to-focus-on-performance-reliability---report





Planned Obsolescence is the intentional slowdown of older products and trapping them on a version with no way out. If Samsung can get out of exploding batteries, planned obsolescence is a piece of cake for Apple.



So Apple devices are made to be secure but the cost of that security is a slowdown as the years pass by. Is this correct?



Putting apps on the store does not mean less integration. Even now if you uninstall any of Apple's stock apps, you need to visit the App Store to download it again. They need to fully place it on the store so it can be updated for the users of older devices. I know its a customer friendly move which Apple likely wont implement as it gives one less reason to buy a newer device.

There is absolutely no difference between Apple's stock apps on iOS and Google's stock apps on Android with the Android having the advantage of constant updates. Any security issues or new features are implemented as they come rather than sticking to deadlines. It helps to avoid releases like iOS 11 which were a nightmare at the beginning.



Same situation over on Android with the countless Android devices. App developers also have a limited number of screen size or aspect ratios to code for. Unlike Android, apps on iOS run in a sandbox meaning they don't communicate with each other.

Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung Exynos, Intel Atom, all Android versions dating right back till Android 4.0. You have the varying number of aspect ratios to think of. On Android, a limited number of devices support DCI-P3 color gamut unlike iOS. Devs and Android has to support both. There is an infinite combination of RAM,CPUs on Android. There are more Androids than iOS devices

Android also runs reasonably well on mid range devices compared to iOS. My 2015 Moto G runs better than my iPhone 6 on an older Android version


Of course it is but unlike iOS, my observation is Google's releases treat older devices better than how iOS does

This is Android P's first developer preview running on a Pixel XL and consistently beating or matching Android O on a PixelXL including third party apps. In particular look at the super fast home button response and the fast animations


This is Android P beating/matching Android Nougat on a Pixel XL.Its matching a 2 year old operating system in speed.


This is Android Oreo running faster or matching Nougat in speed.


In the case of Android, if you will observe the difference in speed is extremely negligible and even if a device is faster its not by much.

If you watch the speed tests of every Android version pitted against its own 2/3 year old counterpart, the difference in speed is very marginal very unlike iOS.





But the point isn't how many are suffering from a problem. The discussion is concerned with whether a slowdown exists. Throttlegate affected a limited number of iPhones. Apple admitted there is a problem. Touch Disease affects a very limited number of iPhones. APple admits the problem exists



I recently bought an Echo and its never happened for me so far so it doesn't bother me. Siri is out of the question for me because Apple's services just aren't as accurate as Google's for me and they do not work with Windows. I use Chrome, Maps, Google Keep, Google News and Gmail and Google now and Assistant integrate with all of them very well



This is whats the thread is about. The thing is I want to disable or uninstall those features which are crippling my devices. I will take a device with 10 features and blistering speed over a device with 100 features which takes 10 seconds to open basic apps like Uber and Facebook.

When I had an older video card I dialed down the visual settings on many games to keep the framerate above 60. I can enable all those visual features and play at 40 fps. But its a very unenjoyable experience.
If I were to relate this to gaming, what Apple does is the equivalent of NVIDIA forcing all games to run at max settings even on older GPUs under the garb of advanced visuals and forcing me to get a new card so I can enjoy the performance I was getting when the card in question was new



A letter written to employees which is factual





The number of people affected by a problem isn't a factor in determining whether a problem exists
Nothing in this really changes there is no proof that Apple intentionally slowed down devices and even that all devices have been reported slower. For example the performance my 5s, 6 and 7 has been virtually unchanged.

Planned obsolescence is the art of the manufacture of affordable consumer products, not the science of corporations putting their hands in their customers wallets and pulling out dollar bills or hindered dollar bills. It also has nothing to do with Apple wanting to make their software as efficient as possible or even allegedly wanting to do that sooner or later.

As to what consumers are experiencing, all consumers have different experiences. Some claim an iOS release is faster, some say it’s slower and yet some say it’s the same as the previous release. Like the three blind men feeling an elephants leg.
 
Also this excuse regarding iOS upgrades slowing down the phone due to features needs to stop. This is whats new in iOS 11

A new App Store which is an app update if it were Android
More animations for live photos
More color support for camera which is an app update if it were Android
Tons of changes in iMessage which is an app update if it were Android
Apple Music visual redesign which is an app update if it were Android
Air Play 2
New control centre
New notification centre and new fonts in the OS
Updates to DND
Maps which an app update if it were Android
New keyboard which is an app update if it were Android


So apart from design tweaks,air play 2 and updates to DND the vast majority of what iOS 11 contained would have been an app update on Android. So why was there such a significant slowdown from 10 to 11 and that nightmarish battery drain? I remember the 3DT stutter, the crashes, the new year bug, the auto correct bug.

Heck most what iOS 12 contains are just app updates and app updates definitely do not slow down the phone on Android.
 
Also this excuse regarding iOS upgrades slowing down the phone due to features needs to stop. This is whats new in iOS 11

A new App Store which is an app update if it were Android
More animations for live photos
More color support for camera which is an app update if it were Android
Tons of changes in iMessage which is an app update if it were Android
Apple Music visual redesign which is an app update if it were Android
Air Play 2
New control centre
New notification centre and new fonts in the OS
Updates to DND
Maps which an app update if it were Android
New keyboard which is an app update if it were Android


So apart from design tweaks,air play 2 and updates to DND the vast majority of what iOS 11 contained would have been an app update on Android. So why was there such a significant slowdown from 10 to 11 and that nightmarish battery drain? I remember the 3DT stutter, the crashes, the new year bug, the auto correct bug.

Heck most what iOS 12 contains are just app updates and app updates definitely do not slow down the phone on Android.
All that and rather clear things like AR framework, for example, are just being ignored. That kind of thing right there petty much undermines it all.
 
All that and rather clear things like AR framework, for example, are just being ignored. That kind of thing right there petty much undermines it all.
I went to the Apple website and looked at all the iPhone updates so must have missed that one as it came under iPad but all that still doesn't explain the significant slowdown between 10 and 11. WHat significant features were added which merited the slowdown in actual day to day use?

I am simply seeing design tweaks and 2-3 major features.
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That forcing you is for your security. Nothing else. I do not see any other reason why Apple would not allow signing of older software.
Then they should support multiple versions with security fixes. Google and Microsoft do it. Microsoft was doing it for a decade with XP

In other words, when Apple stops being Apple and becomes Microsoft. You want Apple but not with the taste and features (or lack thereof) of Apple. Why not pick another fruit then!
The solution I stated is the most customer friendly one as everyone is happy. This one size fit all solution clearly has weaknesses as the older hardware cannot handle a newer OS for everyone.

That's true. I would prefer an iPhone X running Android P. That would be a dream phone. Because to me Google has the best software but Apple overall has the best hardware integration ever since they went Samsung for OLED.
Having used both earlier versions of Android and iOS, Android used to be the heavier and demanding OS and iOS used to be nimble. The roles have reversed nowadays.
 
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I went to the Apple website and looked at all the iPhone updates so must have missed that one as it came under iPad but all that still doesn't explain the significant slowdown between 10 and 11. WHat significant features were added which merited the slowdown in actual day to day use?

I am simply seeing design tweaks and 2-3 major features.
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Then they should support multiple versions with security fixes. Google and Microsoft do it. Microsoft was doing it for a decade with XP


The solution I stated is the most customer friendly one as everyone is happy. This one size fit all solution clearly has weaknesses as the older hardware cannot handle a newer OS for everyone.

That's true. I would prefer an iPhone X running Android P. That would be a dream phone. Because to me Google has the best software but Apple overall has the best hardware integration ever since they went Samsung for OLED.
Having used both earlier versions of Android and iOS, Android used to be the heavier and demanding OS and iOS used to be nimble. The roles have reversed nowadays.
You are overlooking pretty anything and everything that isn't specifically user facing that often changes or gets added to in one way or another in larger updates, and especially major ones.
 
So where's the letter? And where is the actual reasoning for it?
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As mentioned many times before, the intent can be hypothized (and different hypothesis can exist), short of there being actual information about the intent itself. That's the whole point about something being presented as fact and being proof vs. a conjecture.
You are requesting information factually impossible to obtain. Apple will never admit iOS updates slow down devices. There are plenty of comparisons between devices in older and newer iOS versions. A lack of admission by Apple doesn't factually prove there is no slowdown - intentional or not.
 
Also this excuse regarding iOS upgrades slowing down the phone due to features needs to stop. This is whats new in iOS 11

A new App Store which is an app update if it were Android
More animations for live photos
More color support for camera which is an app update if it were Android
Tons of changes in iMessage which is an app update if it were Android
Apple Music visual redesign which is an app update if it were Android
Air Play 2
New control centre
New notification centre and new fonts in the OS
Updates to DND
Maps which an app update if it were Android
New keyboard which is an app update if it were Android


So apart from design tweaks,air play 2 and updates to DND the vast majority of what iOS 11 contained would have been an app update on Android. So why was there such a significant slowdown from 10 to 11 and that nightmarish battery drain? I remember the 3DT stutter, the crashes, the new year bug, the auto correct bug.

Heck most what iOS 12 contains are just app updates and app updates definitely do not slow down the phone on Android.

That's like saying a blueberry muffin is made of blueberries, while ignoring the rest of the muffin. iOS is more than a collection of apps (or blueberries if you will). There's an entire operating system sitting under those apps. Apple just tells us of the visible or noticeable changes. They don't mention all the changes that needed to get in 'under-the-hood' to add that new feature to some app(s). Apple tells us about the berries, but don't go into the details involved in making the rest of the muffin. That's standard procedure for the industry.
 
You are requesting information factually impossible to obtain. Apple will never admit iOS updates slow down devices. There are plenty of comparisons between devices in older and newer iOS versions. A lack of admission by Apple doesn't factually prove there is no slowdown - intentional or not.
The point in all of that isn't that, but that there is no proof or some sort of actual facts that there is a malicious conspiracy in play behind it all. There's certainly supposition and all that, but that's not the same as proof and facts as some keep on continually insist.
 
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The point in all of that isn't that, but that there is no proof or some sort of actual facts that there is a malicious conspiracy in play behind it all. There's certainly supposition and all that, but that's not the same as proof and facts as some keep on continually insist.
I do agree that information isn't readily available to determine malicious intent. I do agree we can only speculate. But I believe that there is one fact: iOS updates slowdown devices. Apple does not - or did not until iOS 12, if Apple's claims are true - do enough to stop those slowdowns. One related thought: Apple is claiming large improvements to older devices's performance in iOS 12. Why now and not earlier? Why not do this with every release? Why do they cripple a lot of older devices with iOS updates? As I said, intentionally or not, iOS updates slowdown devices. I don't really care that much about the intentionality of the slowdowns. I care about end results. And they are certainly paltry in a lot of cases.
 
I do agree that information isn't readily available to determine malicious intent. I do agree we can only speculate.
And those are essentially the aspects of it all that I've been contenting on.
 
And those are essentially the aspects of it all that I've been contenting on.
Yes. My point is, that regardless of the intentionality, Apple should do more to address performance issues brought about by iOS updates.
Edit: also, what do you think about Apple's claims on iOS 12? Why now and not earlier?
 
No it wont. It will only end when Apple supports multiple OS builds like Microsoft and Google do and shut us naysayers up.
Or, you can switch to Google and Microsoft devices and/or operating systems and get what you want right now.

Apple is never going to make you happy. Ever. Stop banging your head against the wall and just switch.
 
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I’m having this issue as well

Yes. My point is, that regardless of the intentionality, Apple should do more to address performance issues brought about by iOS updates.
There's certainly that, as I also alluded to (perhaps somewhat indirectly) earlier:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/#post-26116513

Edit: also, what do you think about Apple's claims on iOS 12? Why now and not earlier?
That aspect of it is also something that I've commented on earlier:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/#post-26117177
 
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There's certainly that, as I also alluded to (perhaps somewhat indirectly) earlier:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/#post-26116513

That aspect of it is also something that I've commented on earlier:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/#post-26117177
I'll begin with the second part: I've seen some backlash here due to lack of features, and I think that there's not much to debate. It's just opinions, there isn't any possible argumentation there. Let me explain: I - as many others - think Apple should prioritize performance to sheer amount of features. Others, think Apple should include more features at the expense of performance, but there's a little issue I have with this opinion:
My take for this is: Don't complain when performance decreases. You literally asked for it (there's no doing both) - i.e, focusing on both features and performance. But also, that opinion is utterly harmful: by requesting an always-increasing amount of features, they condition Apple (this is speculation, assuming that Apple's actions are somewhat conditioned by that section of the general public. I have no proof; at this point everything is speculation) to include a growing amount of features, but complain if performance decreases. It's certainly hypocritical. (I'm referring to this part: [...] "At the same time the general public still need something new and shiny to keep their interest up"...)
End point is: I wholeheartedly disagree with Apple's previous - up to iOS 11 - stance. (Regarding listening to users requesting a brobdingnagian amount of features).
I have no comments on your first reference. It's simply a mirror of my opinion.
Apologies for any mistakes in language, I'm not a native speaker unfortunately.
 
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Yeah 10 is a Re skin of XP in the same way that Mojave is a reskin of Tiger.

Actually that Mojave-Tiger comparison is likely more accurate than even the 10 to Windows XP one. Mojave’s underlying internals are probably far closer to Tigers than Windows 10’s are to XP. I don’t have a bone in this fight (use Macs at work, Windows 10 for audio recording, and spend most of my time in and like Linux best, so I use each all the time), but purely the work done in compartmentilizing various elements of the Windows kernel, shift in development styles (Windows still cant get a consistent look to applications to save its damn life, but they’re working on it), all of this adds up to be soooo much more than “reskinning XP” the statement is laughable. Do they not remember both Vista and 7? Vista, while derided, began the transition to a more secure platform to build from. 7 was well loved and well received. And using a machine (originally a hackintosh) that’s built to the specs of a 2011 iMac just overclocked with a better video card that’s run OS X 10.7, 10.8, windows 7, and Windows 10, hands down 10 runs the best on that machine. Doesn’t speak to all, and I’ve never tried a newer OS X on it, but if all Microsoft was doing was putting lipstick on the pig that is XP, where did the performance increase (measurable and reproducible) in my 7-10 upgrade come from? For that matter, why can’t I just walk my way into a Windows 10 machine with these of compromising an XP box?

Long story short, saying Windows 10 is a reskinned XP is nonsense, and your comparison is on the nose, maybe even a little conservative. Closer to say the release of OS X to today (same time frame, XP released 2001). And both were complete platform shifts; XP was the first NT based consumer OS, and OS X 10.0 was the first Darwin based OS released to the masses. My two cents.
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For that matter, why can’t I just walk my way into a Windows 10 machine with these of compromising an XP box?
The ease. There’s a feature request: autocorrect my crappy forum/twitter posts more better Apple!! ;)
 
You aren't answering the question. Am I correct in saying that if Apple tomorrow slowed down iPhone 7 to a crawl it wont be planned obsolescence?

As I mentioned when I addressed throttlegate a couple of posts back, intent matters. And it ultimately boils down to what problem Apple was trying to address with the patch that led to the slowing down of my iOS devices.

No it wont. It will only end when Apple supports multiple OS builds like Microsoft and Google do and shut us naysayers up.

This is like going into a French restaurant and complaining that they don’t serve sushi. I do admire your persistence in fighting what you believe to be the good fight, but I do think that past a certain point, Apple isn’t the problem. You are, because you want what (you very well know that) Apple will not give.
 
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You are overlooking pretty anything and everything that isn't specifically user facing that often changes or gets added to in one way or another in larger updates, and especially major ones.

If it isn't user facing why does it affect performance in regular use?

The point in all of that isn't that, but that there is no proof or some sort of actual facts that there is a malicious conspiracy in play behind it all. There's certainly supposition and all that, but that's not the same as proof and facts as some keep on continually insist.
There is a slowdown.Apple does nothing about the slowdown amd leaves the older devices on a version they struggle to run. This proves Apple doesn't give a **** about older devices. Hence why I asked you what if Apple slowed down iPhone X to a crawl tomorrow to te point it took 5 seconds to open a simple settings menu. You will stills here staying just because it takes 5 seconds doesn't mean Apple's intention was malicious.

The proof you are demanding is Apple actually coming out and saying it which is never gonna happen.



Or, you can switch to Google and Microsoft devices and/or operating systems and get what you want right now.

Apple is never going to make you happy. Ever. Stop banging your head against the wall and just switch.

As I mentioned when I addressed throttlegate a couple of posts back, intent matters. And it ultimately boils down to what problem Apple was trying to address with the patch that led to the slowing down of my iOS devices.



This is like going into a French restaurant and complaining that they don’t serve sushi. I do admire your persistence in fighting what you believe to be the good fight, but I do think that past a certain point, Apple isn’t the problem. You are, because you want what (you very well know that) Apple will not give.

I fully recognise Apple isn't gonna give me the freedom to switch versions. I have already found a solution. Until Google comes out with a tablet and a watch that competes, I will stick the tvOS profile way of doing things on iOS.If iOS 13 is as bad as iOS 11 was, I will use the profile on my X and keep it on 12 forever.

The sad reality is there is no alternative to a tablet and watch which I use more than my phone. It's a monopoly at this point.
 
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