iOS 12 and planned obsolescence

[Radon87000]

Yes. Apple is held to a different standard. Not only did power management seemingly not affect sales,

Because everyone on the oldest devices affected had already upgraded by then and those who are on the more recent devices have yet to show their sales inclinations


QUOTE]but Apple has been on a roll since the iPhone 6, proof positive people don’t care about some of the same things discussed in these forums.[/QUOTE]
Throttlegate was discovered in Dec 2017-Jan 2018. Its effect on sales hasn't been visible yet

Benchmarks are no less valuable than the synthetic and serial YouTube app opening and closing videos. You’re own videos as anecdotal as they were showed little difference between iOS 7 and iOS 11. Again, proof positive Apple does not slow down iPhones across iOS releases.

The videos I posted show a massive difference in speed between iOS 7 and 11 measurable in seconds. My use case is similar to the YT videos

As old devices, I’m still using my iPad 2, which is eminently usable and my iPhone 4 (admittedly as an iPod), but still 8 years of service.

I sold off my iPad Mini 1. It was unusable on iOS 9. I honestly wouldn't even want to allocate it as a kid tablet/

 

[MrX8503]

Please stop this hyperbole about Android. Almost all Android flagships get OS updates for 2 years minimum and in the case of the Pixel 3 years. On Android, half of the stuff is updated through the play store so OS updates aren't as relevant on Android as on iOS. For instance almost the entirety of the iOS 11 update could be crammed into the Play Store by Google and reach 100% adoption.

2 years.....*golf clap*

 

[Radon87000]

I7guy can you please explain why my iPhone 6 and every other 5s and 6 I handle takes 2 seconds to open settings?
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2 years.....*golf clap*

Well it’s either 2 years of a fast phone or 5 years of a phone which takes ages to load simple menus. And again, most skins like Samsung experience already incorporate features of upcoming Android versions into themselves. If updates were a priority on Andrpid, Pixel would have been a top seller by now.

 

[MrX8503]

Well it’s either 2 years of a fast phone or 5 years of a phone which takes ages to load simple menus. And again, most skins like Samsung experience already incorporate features of upcoming Android versions into themselves. If updates were a priority on Andrpid, Pixel would have been a top seller by now.

I know people that still use a 5S or 5C just fine. I haven't seen anyone use a comparable old Android phone.

 

[I7guy]

Because everyone on the oldest devices affected had already upgraded by then and those who are on the more recent devices have yet to show their sales inclinations

You have some facts to back this up?

but Apple has been on a roll since the iPhone 6, proof positive people don’t care about some of the same things discussed in these forums.
Throttlegate was discovered in Dec 2017-Jan 2018. Its effect on sales hasn't been visible yet

If people were concerned about power management Apple sales would drop like a hot potato in a new york minute.

The videos I posted show a massive difference in speed between iOS 7 and 11 measurable in seconds. My use case is similar to the YT videos

And yet other videos show almost no difference blending credence to the anecdotal nature of it all.

I sold off my iPad Mini 1. It was unusable on iOS 9. I honestly wouldn't even want to allocate it as a kid tablet/

I dont have any usability issues with my iPad 2.

I7guy can you please explain why my iPhone 6 and every other 5s and 6 I handle takes 2 seconds to open settings?
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Well it’s either 2 years of a fast phone or 5 years of a phone which takes ages to load simple menus. And again, most skins like Samsung experience already incorporate features of upcoming Android versions into themselves. If updates were a priority on Andrpid, Pixel would have been a top seller by now.

My 5s on iOS 11 on the worst day, opened settings almost instantly. So I can’t comment on your devices. On iOS 12 I don’t see much of a difference.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

It has gone nowhere as long as I’ve been a member.

At least you admit it

If Apple did what people claim, they would be bankrupt.

The problem with this argument is that it hasn't affected Apple's successes.

It's a fact that people's devices slow down as they install newer iOS versions. I have an iPad 3 running iOS 9.3.5 and it's jerky as hell. When I bought it, it came with iOS 5, and it ran perfectly smoothly. I use it for the same things I always did: Playing videos and surfing the internet, but now the OS itself is slow, whereas before it was flawlessly smooth. There is endless indisputable, concrete video evidence, too. It's all there.

So, yes, devices get slowed down by newer versions of iOS (whether deliberately or not). And it *hasn't* affected Apple's finances.

People on this forum even blame the age of the device... as if CPUs slow down with age! If you never updated your version of iOS, your device would never slow down. The battery would get worse, but the device would not slow down. But there's a commonly held misunderstanding that people need to upgrade their hardware often... and that, as it turns out, helps Apple tremendously.
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A YouTube video can’t be measured as it’s anecdotal and subject to human discrepancies.

Truly, truly priceless.

It's a bit weird how every video has the same "human discrepancies" though, isn't it? I wonder what the chances of that are? Hmm.

(PS - You might want to look up the definition of "anecdotal" -- it doesn't mean what you think it does.)

 

[-BigMac-]

The irony here is that Apple just admitted for the last 5 years (since iOS 7) that they haven't been properly optimizing their software.

Not sure weather to be happy, sad or confused.

The weather does have a remarkable effect on your mood, I agree.

 

[I7guy]

At least you admit it



The problem with this argument is that it hasn't affected Apple's successes.

It's a fact that people's devices slow down as they install newer iOS versions. I have an iPad 3 running iOS 9.3.5 and it's jerky as hell. When I bought it, it came with iOS 5, and it ran perfectly smoothly. I use it for the same things I always did: Playing videos and surfing the internet, but now the OS itself is slow, whereas before it was flawlessly smooth. There is endless indisputable, concrete video evidence, too. It's all there.

So, yes, devices get slowed down by newer versions of iOS (whether deliberately or not). And it *hasn't* affected Apple's finances.

People on this forum even blame the age of the device... as if CPUs slow down with age! If you never updated your version of iOS, your device would never slow down. The battery would get worse, but the device would not slow down. But there's a commonly held misunderstanding that people need to upgrade their hardware often... and that, as it turns out, helps Apple tremendously.
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Truly, truly priceless.

It's a bit weird how every video has the same "human discrepancies" though, isn't it? I wonder what the chances of that are? Hmm.

(PS - You might want to look up the definition of "anecdotal" -- it doesn't mean what you think it does.)

There is no real "proof". Anectdotal ((of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research) is the very definition of youtube, because pressing buttons simultaneously with unknown devices, not verified, is not indicative of any facts or research.

However the graph I posted of ios 8 vs ios 9 at least is quantifiable. And slowed down should be demonstrable, not something anecdotally I have noticed with my iphones. And hence the infamous dead horse comes to mind.

IMO, if apple were as devious as people said and their customers knew it, apple would be feeling the pinch, but they aren't.

 

[TimmeyCook]

The positive conclusion I draw is that, after multiple years of rushing new software features to market to launch alongside new phones, making iOS more bloated and less efficient over time, they've finally been forced into accepting that it was time to stop adding to the bloat and instead take what they had and finally bring it up to scratch, performance wise.

By definition, they are doing this because they realise that their feature-driven approach was giving users of older devices a worse experience over time, and that this was a bad thing for Apple retaining customers. Your argument for "planned obsolescence" is that deliberately slowing down older phones is a good thing for Apple, as a mechanism to force people to upgrade to new Apple hardware. That's the fundamental contradiction here.

You know what's "feature rush"?

It's when you add a permissions model in Android, where you get the option to accept everything and install the App, or not install the App.

Then change it years later, and the Apps now need to use the new permission model, but most devices don't have that Android version, so they are using the earlier permission model where it's "all or none", that's feature rush, and it's ugly.

You know what's "feature rush"?

Is giving file access to Apps, where you give all the access to the SDcard, then phones appear with no SDcard (like Google Nexus), and you have to emulate the SDcard, and then you realize Apple's way is better and then reprogram the API's to be modeled to an Apple-like API and it's a mess because most Apps don't support the new model where you can use local storage, cloud storage, etc.

You know what's "feature rush"?

It's Android notifications, where there is STILL not a centralized solution like APNS that saves battery life and gives more reliability to the user and App developers.

That's "feature rush".

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Please stop giving us YouTube garbage.

You know what's on YouTube?

Videos of "stars" that pose imparcial, but are paid by Samsung? Like Casey Neistat.

People saying the earth is flat.

People saying that Michelle Obama is a transexual.

People saying that you can't swipe away notifications on iOS.

etc. etc. etc.

It's a Google channel, they control everything.

Most definitely. Having the phone turn off in my pocket is much better than a snail phone. Want to know why?

No, I don't want to know why....

Then please explain the enormous difference in speed between iOS 8 and iOS 11.

There's no enormous difference between iOS 8 and iOS 11.

What game changing feature was added which merited a keyboard which struggles to catch up to input and a 2 second wait time on the Settings screen.

It doesn't happen.

Gladly. FYI the last I used my Nexus, it was on Android 4.4 (an outdated Android version) and my iPhone was on iOS 10. The insecure Android destroyed the iPhone in speed every time whereas on iOS 8 it was the exact opposite but there is no way back.

AHAHAHAHAH!

Android devices are a joke, specially Nexus devices.

What does Mac have to do with planned obsolsence. In any case, Mac is dead. Apple is about iOS

Sure thing buddy, you know what's dead too?

Windows!

Apple sells more iOS devices than ALL WINDOWS OEM's COMBINED.

Apple sells more "planned obsolesce" Macs in a month than Microsoft does Surfaces in about a year.

While PC sales are diminishing (and statistics companies now count Chromebooks, which are basically crappy iPads as PC's), Mac sales are growing.

They did. They knew about Touch DIsease


https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-about-bendgate-and-touch-disease/

They intentionally shipped a throttle in the iOS 10 update

That link doesn't prove your point in any way.

My Nexus 5 from 2013 is still alive and kicking and on an outdated Android version from years and ago. If we don't enter a race for cramming features so as to slow the device down to a crawl, these devices can last for a decade at the very least

No, it isn't.

It's full of security problems.

And Android is full of security problems, basically even a 13 year old can get into it.

Please stop this hyperbole about Android. Almost all Android flagships get OS updates for 2 years minimum and in the case of the Pixel 3 years. On Android, half of the stuff is updated through the play store so OS updates aren't as relevant on Android as on iOS. For instance almost the entirety of the iOS 11 update could be crammed into the Play Store by Google and reach 100% adoption.

2 years?

LOL!

Most don't get that, and they get it months after release.

Also, nobody buys Android flagships, so it doesn't matter.

The reality is this:

Less than 6% have the latest version.

6%!

It's shameful!

You are obviously not an engineer.

Look how bothered I am you don't recognize me an engineer (that I never said I was).

There is no such thing as a “forever” or “until it just breaks” in these.

There is a difference between knowing the approximate lifespan and engineering in a specific lifespan.

Let me give you an easy example: TouchID will work for X number of cycles. The estimated use span of the device is Y. Therefore the X must meet or exceed usage during Y. That is designed and built in. Just one of many in a device like this.

You are basically contradicting yourself.

Apple doesn't do planned obsolescence, which is designing products to fail after X time or Y use cycles.

Apple has been accused of that numerous times in the past, and always has been proven that Apple did not use planned obsolescence in COURT.

 

[Radon87000]

No, I don't want to know why....

Then that's on you. Any person who assumes a person who buys a $1000 phone and cannot afford a repair is a moron. So its either Apple behaved like morons or maybe (which makes business sense to me) it was intended to force the user to get a new phone

There's no enormous difference between iOS 8 and iOS 11.

Please revisit your alternative facts.

It doesn't happen.

Start watching at 2:41

AHAHAHAHAH!

Android devices are a joke, specially Nexus devices.

You can throw those benchmarks at me until you are blue in the face. That's not real world usage. The videos I linked above are and in the real world my Nexus 5 performs better than my iPhone 6 running iOS 11. Similar to how Microsoft Edge is smoother than Chrome on Precision trackpads despite scoring lower. Similar to RX Vega 64 frametimes/smoothness being better than GTX 1080 despite lower frames per second. You get the drill.

Sure thing buddy, you know what's dead too?

Windows!

Apple sells more iOS devices than ALL WINDOWS OEM's COMBINED.

Apple sells more "planned obsolesce" Macs in a month than Microsoft does Surfaces in about a year.

While PC sales are diminishing (and statistics companies now count Chromebooks, which are basically crappy iPads as PC's), Mac sales are growing.

If your definition of owning approx. 90% of the PC market is being dead than sure. iOS to Windows is not even an apples to apples comparison. You deflected to that because Windows embarrasses the Mac in terms of sheer number of devices. Also whats not counted in your lame comparison is custom builds. I have 4 custom built PCs which is not counted in your Windows OEM device sales. Why buy a PC when you can build your own?

Also how are those outdated Macs of yours coming along

Hahahahaha. 400 days since last update. The lineup is so alive. I guess you can grow faster than the rest of the industry when you own like 10% of the market

Yes. We will get back to comparing the Mac and Windows when they are comparable. Which is when Apple ships a professional computer whose keyboard actually works and a desktop computer which doesn't throttle when a simple game from 4 years is run on it because of chassis heat.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...-faulty-keyboard-repair-program-admits-issues

And updates their record 1400 old day Mac Mini. This has got to be the oldest computer on sale ever

That link doesn't prove your point in any way.

That link shows Apple knew about Touch Disease and tried to hide the problem

No, it isn't.

It's full of security problems.

And Android is full of security problems, basically even a 13 year old can get into it.

People have a choice on Android. If you want security, get a Nexus/Pixel. Android is not insecure when you own one of these. Its not Google's fault people buy cereal box phones at Walmart and complain about security issues. The other half buys Samsung flagships knowing fully well they are insecure

2 years?

LOL!

Most don't get that, and they get it months after release.

Also, nobody buys Android flagships, so it doesn't matter[



Less than 6% have the latest version.

6%!

It's shameful!

Where is the proof no one buys Android flagships?

They get months after release because like iOS, its only on the last version of a particular release the OS is stable. Ask the Pixel users, the amount of bugs and crashes they suffer because UPDATES FIRST. Similar to how iOS becomes functional on the last version of a particular release the same applies to Android

Less than 6% have the latest version because majority of Android runs on mid range/ budget phones. Good luck selling an iPhone on the other side of the world.

As far as flagships go, they get 2/3 year support which is quite sufficient to me considering the fact that iPhones start to get crippled beyond that point. Look at the iPhone 6/5s/ iPad Air for instance. I wouldn't wish these devices on my worst enemy. I would rather have an insecure device which performs than a secure device which I feel like throwing against the wall with constant delays and long load times.

Also the share chart is irrelevant as almost everything on Android is updated through the store. Security fixes are pushed through GPS API. Fragmentation is good because it allows each device to remain on a version it can handle and not slow the device to a crawl coz MOAR FEATURES.



Look how bothered I am you don't recognize me an engineer (that I never said I was).

Apple has been accused of that numerous times in the past, and always has been proven that Apple did not use planned obsolescence in COURT.

Where was it disproven? Link please[/QUOTE]

 

[FelixDerKater]

Increase OS efficiency and processor power at the same time for even bigger advances.

 

[TimmeyCook]

So, Apple slows down iOS devices...

In a world that the earth is flat, Michelle Obama is a tranny, the man didn't land on the moon, vaccines cause autism, the Earth is flat, etc. The world of YouTube.

And you also have to prove that iOS 12 is faster than any previous iOS version, because that's the basis of your argument, which is "Apple is making devices faster to counter the notion that they have been doing planned obsolescence".

90% of the PC market is being dead than sure. iOS to Windows is not even an apples to apples comparison. You deflected to that because Windows embarrasses the Mac in terms of sheer number of devices.

This is OT, but those 90% machines are $200 computers and the like, and they aren't ONE BRAND of machines, but LOT'S OF BRANDS combined, where Microsoft doesn't gain much, even "sells" Windows licenses for free to combat ChromeOS devices.

So, it quite irrelevant.

And updates their record 1400 old day Mac Mini. This has got to be the oldest computer on sale ever

I'm sure you are going to throw away your 4 custom built PC's when a new mac mini is out.

 

[Radon87000]

You know what's "feature rush"?

It's when you add a permissions model in Android, where you get the option to accept everything and install the App, or not install the App.

Then change it years later, and the Apps now need to use the new permission model, but most devices don't have that Android version, so they are using the earlier permission model where it's "all or none", that's feature rush, and it's ugly.

You know what's "feature rush"?

Is giving file access to Apps, where you give all the access to the SDcard, then phones appear with no SDcard (like Google Nexus), and you have to emulate the SDcard, and then you realize Apple's way is better and then reprogram the API's to be modeled to an Apple-like API and it's a mess because most Apps don't support the new model where you can use local storage, cloud storage, etc.

You know what's "feature rush"?

It's Android notifications, where there is STILL not a centralized solution like APNS that saves battery life and gives more reliability to the user and App developers.

That's "feature rush".

All that and yet those older Androids which are insecure crush the iPhones updated to the latest version in speed. Insecure Galaxy S9 beating iPhone X, ironically the one area Samsung always lost to Apple in.

 

[TimmeyCook]

All that and yet those older Androids which are insecure crush the iPhones updated to the latest version in speed. Insecure Galaxy S9 beating iPhone X, ironically the one area Samsung always lost to Apple in.

Samsung paid that guy to fake the test. He doesn't press the buttons as fast on the iPhone as on the Galaxy, and he has connected the iPhone to a slower Wifi connection, and he's only testing App load times.

Absolutely nobody trusts those youtube tests, that's all you have...

The 2017 iPhone X kicks the 2018 S9 all around, it wipes the floor with it...

 

[Radon87000]

So, Apple slows down iOS devices...

In a world that the earth is flat, Michelle Obama is a tranny, the man didn't land on the moon, vaccines cause autism, the Earth is flat, etc. The world of YouTube.

Apple slows down devices in the real world, the world outside of charts and benchmarks. Cmon now. I can post a video recording of my Air 2 struggling to open a simple settings menu and photos app and messages. The very same device which 4 years ago

https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027485/apple-ipad-air-2-review


Inside the iPad Air 2 lies Apple’s new A8X chip, which is a variant of the A8 found in the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus with additional graphics capabilities. It’s ridiculously fast — noticeably faster to load web pages and launch apps than my iPad Air, and it has so much graphics headroom that I’m eager to see how game developers take advantage of it. But that might take a while: Apple still sells a full lineup of iPads with A7 chips (and the original iPad mini with an A5!), and it’s hard to see the incentive for developers to optimize iPad apps for the A8X until the installed base of Air 2s makes it worthwhile.



What happened in just 3 years which turned this monster into a kitten which flees on sight when simple menus like settings and messages are opened?

And you also have to prove that iOS 12 is faster than any previous iOS version, because that's the basis of your argument, which is "Apple is making devices faster to counter the notion that they have been doing planned obsolescence".

Certainly. See the speed tests comparing iOS 11.4 to iOS 12.0 beta 2. iOS 12.0 beta matches or beats 11.4 which is amazing because this has never happened before for a decade. When the finished releases roll out it will end up faster than iOS 11. As to whether its faster than iOS 10, I cant prove that until we reach iOS 12.4. But its currently overcome iOS 11 and the next target is iOS 10. By the time it reaches 12.3 there will be even more substantial improvements which indicates it will surpass iOS 10 and get near the speed of iOS 8.

This is OT, but those 90% machines are $200 computers and the like, and they aren't ONE BRAND of machines, but LOT'S OF BRANDS combined, where Microsoft doesn't gain much, even "sells" Windows licenses for free to combat ChromeOS devices.

So, it quite irrelevant.

This all an assumption on your part. The average cost of a computer I have seen family and friends buy when on a budget is $800. Windows will win over ChromeOS in the long run because knowing Google and how they treated Android on tablets and Android Wear, ChromeOS will fizzle out and die

I'm sure you are going to throw away your 4 custom built PC's when a new mac mini is out.

Well it IS the budget variant which tends to sell the highest. I am a PC enthusiast but the computers I buy for general use cases tend to be in the price range of a Mac Mini.

The Mac guys here remind me of the Windows Phone guys on the Windows Central forum who were frothing at the mouth because Microsoft was letting Windows Phone stagnate. I told them as I told many here, the writing is on the wall. Mac is dead and Apples going to replace the Mac with an iOS powered iPad as the years come by just like how Microsoft is shoehorning Windows onto everything.

If you want to use a computer, Windows is where its at or Linux if you are into it

 

[gaanee]

Aside from whether it's planned obsolescence or not, this power management issue made it look like Apple got busted. They introduced a feature which affected iPhone's performance without clearly informing the user. They might have had good intentions behind it but a company like Apple should have been upfront about it and at least acknowledge the issue when people were complaining about slow performance. It was only after 3rd party developer backed up that claim with data that Apple scrambled to issue power management in 11.3. It does give an impression that had this not been the case, we would still not have power management feature and 11.3 would have been just another bug fixes release. Apple was forced to include this feature because they could not refute it anymore given the data.

If Apple was really planning to fix the power management then they could have issued 10.4 or even include it in 11, 11.1, 11.2 and not wait until the data from 3rd party app was released proving throttling.

Apple could also have used a larger battery to avoid this issue altogether but they chose to use just enough for maximizing profit, which might work under laboratory test conditions but in real world you do want to design including a factor of safety.

Also, Apple's claims about desktop-class faster processor doesn't really hold if they had to throttle it because of battery. What's the point of a faster processor if it's forced to throttle because of other design inadequacies.

Apple did was android is afraid to do. Power manage the phone when the battery is on the fritz. This started in 10.3.3. They had a software management solution in ios 11 a few months later. Communication should have been better, but it can't be proven there was a malicious intent behind it all.

 

[TimmeyCook]

Apple slows down devices in the real world, the world outside of charts and benchmarks. Cmon now. I can post a video recording of my Air 2 struggling to open a simple settings menu and photos app and messages. The very same device which 4 years ago

https://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027485/apple-ipad-air-2-review


Inside the iPad Air 2 lies Apple’s new A8X chip, which is a variant of the A8 found in the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus with additional graphics capabilities. It’s ridiculously fast — noticeably faster to load web pages and launch apps than my iPad Air, and it has so much graphics headroom that I’m eager to see how game developers take advantage of it. But that might take a while: Apple still sells a full lineup of iPads with A7 chips (and the original iPad mini with an A5!), and it’s hard to see the incentive for developers to optimize iPad apps for the A8X until the installed base of Air 2s makes it worthwhile.



What happened in just 3 years which turned this monster into a kitten which flees on sight when simple menus like settings and messages are opened?


Certainly. See the speed tests comparing iOS 11.4 to iOS 12.0 beta 2. iOS 12.0 beta matches or beats 11.4 which is amazing because this has never happened before for a decade. When the finished releases roll out it will end up faster than iOS 11. As to whether its faster than iOS 10, I cant prove that until we reach iOS 12.4. But its currently overcome iOS 11 and the next target is iOS 10. By the time it reaches 12.3 there will be even more substantial improvements which indicates it will surpass iOS 10 and get near the speed of iOS 8.




This all an assumption on your part. The average cost of a computer I have seen family and friends buy when on a budget is $800. Windows will win over ChromeOS in the long run because knowing Google and how they treated Android on tablets and Android Wear, ChromeOS will fizzle out and die





Well it IS the budget variant which tends to sell the highest. I am a PC enthusiast but the computers I buy for general use cases tend to be in the price range of a Mac Mini.

The Mac guys here remind me of the Windows Phone guys on the Windows Central forum who were frothing at the mouth because Microsoft was letting Windows Phone stagnate. I told them as I told many here, the writing is on the wall. Mac is dead and Apples going to replace the Mac with an iOS powered iPad as the years come by just like how Microsoft is shoehorning Windows onto everything.

If you want to use a computer, Windows is where its at or Linux if you are into it

Dude the S9 can't even record at 4K 60fps HEVC without overheating (5 minutes max).

You are not fooling anyone.

 

[Radon87000]

Dude the S9 can't even record at 4K 60fps HEVC without overheating (5 minutes max).

You are not fooling anyone.

Now a question to you. Do you spend all day recording 4K videos or do you use apps and stuff on your phone, stuff which a phone does all day? This reminds me of those AMD fans who keep bashing Pascal when pointed out nvidia's architecture bests it in gaming by point out synthetic 3dmark benchmarks where Vega beats Pascal unlike in real world gaming where it's trashed. Well a grand applause if that's what you do on a $500 gaming card.

I haven't once used 4K 60fps for long on my iPhone X. Why? Because if I do,battery life is destroyed. I could wreck my phone's battery coupled with my moderate use in 4 hours flat with it. So it's a advantage that doesn't mean much as the battery will run out long before the silicon does. Samsung's 5 minute timer is realistic both in battery and chip terms.


So let me summarise, if all you do on the phone is run Geekbench,slingshot and do 4K recording and encoding videos, get an iPhone. If you use dailyapps on your phone like Facebook,Instagram and web browsing g and want the best possible ram management and the speed to be retained over multiple Android versions, get an Android.
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Samsung paid that guy to fake the test. He doesn't press the buttons as fast on the iPhone as on the Galaxy, and he has connected the iPhone to a slower Wifi connection, and he's only testing App load times.

Absolutely nobody trusts those youtube tests, that's all you have...

The 2017 iPhone X kicks the 2018 S9 all around, it wipes the floor with it...

Almost everything you post is a synthetic benchmark. The iPhone 6 scores the same in all this stuff as it did 4 years ago. It's speed in real world applications has halved and that's showcased by the videos. That's the point of this thread. It was never argued benchmark scores would come down over time.

 

[TimmeyCook]

I haven't once used 4K 60fps for long on my iPhone X. Why? Because if I do,battery life is destroyed. I could wreck my phone's battery coupled with my moderate use in 4 hours flat with it. So it's a advantage that doesn't mean much as the battery will run out long before the silicon does. Samsung's 5 minute timer is realistic both in battery and chip terms.

Prove that!

You don't even have an iPhone X, because if you did, you would know that it EATS the Samsung alive.

The iPhone X doesn't overheats doing anything, the Samsung overheats, which would be unnaceptable for Apple standards.

Nobody can touch Apple on that!

Apple has their own OS, own CPU, own GPU, own video encoder, own programming languages, own video framework.

Samsung? NO!

Meanwhile, Samsung advertises it at 4K 60fps capable, which is untrue...

Imagine if Apple did that!

Same thing with this:

Imagine if Apple sold this OUTDATED piece of crap, since you bought iMac status.

It costs DOUBLE of an iMac 5k, and it's TOTALLY OUTDATED compared to the "do not buy" iMac.

Yet, there's no "MacRumros Buyers Guide" for Surface machines... wonder why?

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

Yeah... it’s a global conspiracy that all YouTubers are in on. I see.

The videos that myself and Radeon have posted are the very definition of research.

Since you’re claiming there’s a global conspiracy that all YouTube video makers have to show the exact same results, the easiest thing to do would for you to make your own video and expose them.

Looking forward to watching it!

(Seriously, this is getting embarrassing now.)

 

[TimmeyCook]

Yeah... it’s a global conspiracy that all YouTubers are in on. I see.

What if I told you there's money on YouTube and YouTube is a Google dependency, and that Samsung even used those YouTubers to promote their products?

Since you’re claiming there’s a global conspiracy that all YouTube video makers have to show the exact same results, the easiest thing to do would for you to make your own video and expose them.

It's not a conspiracy, it's guerilla marketing.

(Seriously, this is getting embarrassing now.)

Why aren't YouTubers here to defend their videos?

If you want to discuss YouTube videos, why don't you go to YouTube?

There's a safe space there for Apple haters, and Google lovers.

And BTW, what about this, is the iPhone X the best phone on the market right now?

It's on YouTube!

What about this?



There's no denying that Google made YouTube as an Android fanboy safe haven, go there and make a video making the iPhone look bad, and you get an enormous amount of views from India and other places and Google will rank your video up, do the other thing, and you'll get dislikes, bad comments and Google will burry your content.

Google has an history of manipulating search results.

 

[Radon87000]

The point of this thread is the iPhone slowdown over time. You deflect to Samsung because you have no answer to the videos. And yes I do have an iPhone X and an Apple Watch and an iPad Pro Gen 2. Battery life with normal moderate usage with zero camera usage lasts 1 day and till 9am the next day. If I try running an hour of 4k video on it, it would run out in half a day which would be an inconvenience on the road. I am being practical here. The S9 lasts longer than the iPhone X btw. I prioritise battery life an performance over everything.


And I agree, Surface Studio is overpriced crap but why are we arguing which is worse iMac Pro or Surface Studio. My custom PC has a 7700K overclocked to 4.8ghz (Prime95 24 hours stable) , G Skill 16GB 3200mhz DDR4 RAM, 11GB GTX 1080 Ti and a 500GB nVMe SSD and a 2TB conventional hard drive. It's coupled with a Dell Ultrasharp U2718Q 4k monitor or my other Asus 120hz monitor depending on my mood. An OLED monitor is up on my purchase list this Christmas depending on how much I spend on my Apple gear this year. Together this setup doesn't cost as much as an iMac Pro or the Surface Studio and it will destroy any upcoming iMac Apple has up their sleeve or any Surface for that matter.

Bonus-https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade

Costs as much as a MacBook Pro but has a keyboard which actually works and has a GTX 1060 and with similar dimensions.

And by the way since you consider YouTube videos as paid and biased, here is one done by an Apple fan. THe iPhone has actually been given an unfair advantage in the second half of this test by disabling animations on iPhone but keeping them on on the OnePlus

And still the iPhone loses. Shown up by a cereal box phone. And for all you video encoders and 4k recorders out there the iPhone X won that test but look at the rest of it. It's all iOS 11's fault too.

This is iPhone 7 absolutely destroying the One Plus 5 last year

This is iPhone 7 wiping the floor with a Galaxy S8 in the same test

The comments section even has Apple fans mocking Samsung for their terrible ram management on the above tests. Now the iPhone is losing and these tests are paid, anecdotal and biased?
[doublepost=1529916934][/doublepost]Hey TimmeyCook, what's your counter to this

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...ls-smartphone-speed-ios-updates-a8121906.html

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/09/france-probes-apple-over-iphone-obsolescence-complaint/
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Prove that!

You don't even have an iPhone X, because if you did, you would know that it EATS the Samsung alive.

The iPhone X doesn't overheats doing anything, the Samsung overheats, which would be unnaceptable for Apple standards.

Nobody can touch Apple on that!

Apple has their own OS, own CPU, own GPU, own video encoder, own programming languages, own video framework.

Samsung? NO!

Meanwhile, Samsung advertises it at 4K 60fps capable, which is untrue...

Imagine if Apple did that!

Same thing with this:

Imagine if Apple sold this OUTDATED piece of crap, since you bought iMac status.

It costs DOUBLE of an iMac 5k, and it's TOTALLY OUTDATED compared to the "do not buy" iMac.

Yet, there's no "MacRumros Buyers Guide" for Surface machines... wonder why?

At least the Samsung has a 5 minute timer. Apple's iPhones start to throttle in day to day usage after the battery wears in a few years and if you turn off the throttle phone shuts down and what's worse this is a flaw of their own creation because of defective batteries.

 

[TimmeyCook]

The point of this thread is the iPhone slowdown over time.

And you don't have proof!


This is of this thread, is this first post:

For years people have been claiming that “new APIs” and “new features” are causing old phones to slowdown, I’d like to say that that theory is looking less and less believable. After the announcement of iOS 12, it’s more than possible to support older devices using their full potential.

Now that Apple has its PR backs against the wall with the battery throttle scandal, they magically created software capable of faster performance on older phones. This is the first time they have ever done this. Coincidence? I think not.

Apple loves when people update their devices, but they love their brand even more. Now that the brand is under attack, they are doing everything in their power to win over the trust of their consumers. iOS 12 is proof of this.

You need to prove that iOS 12 is faster than iOS 11.

You deflect to Samsung because you have no answer to the videos

It was you who bought Samsungs and PC's.

Your problem!

You keep spamming with garbage from YouTube, you are not going anywhere.
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here is one done by an Apple fan

Just because he "says" he is an Apple, doesn't mean he is.

I can say that I am an Android fan.

Look, I'm an Android fan! It sucks right now, I'm going to iOS!
[doublepost=1529918215][/doublepost]

The point of this thread is the iPhone slowdown over time.

And you don't have proof!


This is of this thread, is this first post:

For years people have been claiming that “new APIs” and “new features” are causing old phones to slowdown, I’d like to say that that theory is looking less and less believable. After the announcement of iOS 12, it’s more than possible to support older devices using their full potential.

Now that Apple has its PR backs against the wall with the battery throttle scandal, they magically created software capable of faster performance on older phones. This is the first time they have ever done this. Coincidence? I think not.

Apple loves when people update their devices, but they love their brand even more. Now that the brand is under attack, they are doing everything in their power to win over the trust of their consumers. iOS 12 is proof of this.

You need to prove that iOS 12 is faster than iOS 11.

 

[Radon87000]

You need to prove that iOS 12 is faster than iOS 11.

It was you who bought Samsungs and PC's.

But I do not have a Samsung. Not my problem you don't like me spamming facts. Yes I would buy a PC over an ancient Mac with keyboard issues.

Just because he "says" he is an Apple, doesn't mean he is.

I can say that I am an Android fan.

Look, I'm an Android fan! It sucks right now, I'm going to iOS!

The guy has cheated on this test by giving the iPhone an advantage and he is not an Apple fan. Right. So you mean to tell me last year, Apple was paying off all these YouTubers and now Samsung is paying them off?

 

[TimmeyCook]

But I do not have a Samsung. Not my problem you don't like me spamming facts. Yes I would buy a PC over an ancient Mac with keyboard issues.




The guy has cheated on this test by giving the iPhone an advantage and he is not an Apple fan. Right. So you mean to tell me last year, Apple was paying off all these YouTubers and now Samsung is paying them off?

I repeat this again, one more time, and as many times as you need.

You can't use content from a site that is owned by an Apple competitor.

YouTubers get money to make their videos, and someone has to pay them, I'm saying Apple, or Google, or Samsung, or anyone. But someone has to pay the phones, the bills, etc. because these guys live off YouTube, so, someone needs to pay them, and whomever pays them, is going to be benefited from it.

And as you can see, the view count of those POSITIVE videos is much lower than the view count of the NEGATIVE videos, for some reason...