It's quite a bit beyond me, and essentially unnecessary regardless (and not just unnecessary, but basically counter-productive as it undermines and devalues anything actually worthwhile).
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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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I said I do not open apps one after the other. I use these videos for app launch times which is close enough. The speed tests show that. I posted that here somewhere in these 22 pages.
I am using these comparisons to establish a clear slowdown over time as if I post my own experience that my device has slowed down in basic day to day usage I am called a liar. Hence I need to rely on them. In any case there is no hypocrisy here and many here have also changed their tune ever since the iPhone lost these tests.
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I will try and tone it down if its annoying you guys. But its really frustrating when essentially people are called liars for posting their own experience. We have people here saying since the benchmark scores are the same there is no slowdown when the iPhone 6 in my experience on iOS 11 runs at almost half speed as iOS 8. Really basic apps like Twitter, Uber, YouTube take ages and ages to load. I really cant imagine what features were added to it that merited the slowdown
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You don't "think" it is...
YouTube App is a prime example of bloatware.
And Google actively works to make the experience on iOS worse, for example, no 4K video playback, where everyone else allows (vimeo, Netflix, Amazon, etc. etc. etc.)
Yes it proves.
What doesn't prove is your YouTube videos of "pseudo-celebs" paid by Samsung and the others opening and closing Apps with their fingers.
I did own the device, and I say, it's the same or faster.
Definitively iOS 10.3, for example, is faster than the original iOS 8.
Definitively iOS 11 is not slower.
The synthetic benchmarks posted are general system performance, and not JavaScript performance.
You are not comparing apples to apples.
That's is just one more of your lies.
Not what anyone can see...
Don't be angry because nobody else here is.
Why do you keep saying this? Saying that updates decrease performance isn't hyperbole. Saying that the performance decrease that iOS updates entail is too high for me, personally, is not an 'unnecessary absolute'. You and many others might be ok with some performance decrease - and your tolerance level can be higher - and your opinion is absolutely valid, but I'm not fine with it, and my opinion is somehow invalid and deemed hyperbolic?
Devices are slower in the majority - if not all - of the cases where they are updated. That's fact. You can easily check it by using any device in its original version and one that has been updated as far as it can go. The updated one does a lot of things - not to say all, which you'd deem absolutist and hyperbolic - slower. This is undeniable.
In the context of the posts and the posters that my replies are in, it makes a good amount of sense.
Okay. We won't get anywhere with this.
But, may I ask you a question? Do you think iOS updates slow down devices, or not?
(Regardless of Apple's intentionality, I don't care if Apple does, or does not do it on purpose).
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I beg to differ. It is true, actually.
You are wrong, Apple has been even probed by the government and has proven that those conspiracy theories are WRONG!
Apple is not Samsung.
Here's the Samsung talking heads. The most viewed, most influential YouTube stars...
Wonder why the most influential and most viewed YouTube stars (that idiot Casey Neistat that gratified NYC walls with BS that Apple makes the iPods planned obsolescence and they break in 18 months, which we know it's not true, because there are millions of them alive today) appear on a Samsung comercial?
Here's this idiot that usually makes snark Apple videos, and comparisons between Samsung and Apple phones were (surprise alert: Apple always loses)
That's how they get money for their expensive cameras and luxurious lives, they get money from Samsung and Apple competitions everytime they bash on Apple, even though it's untrue, like the case of the Apple Pencil.
There is no denying, YouTube is a safe haven for Apple haters. People that don't do anything with their phones, don't even leave the house to need a phone.
Samsung is also an astroturfing champion:
Samsung fakes their benchmarks, and even faking them, they lose:
And again:
All your YouTube "references" are invalid.
Apple is the most trusted brand in tech for a reason, and that's because they don't do shady stuff like PO.
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I have always said that I don't care whether Apple slows devices down intentionally or not - I tend to believe they do not, but I say that I don't know, because... I don't know with absolute certainty.You are wrong, Apple has been even probed by the government and has proven that those conspiracy theories are WRONG!
Apple is not Samsung.
Here's the Samsung talking heads. The most viewed, most influential YouTube stars...
Wonder why the most influential and most viewed YouTube stars (that idiot Casey Neistat that gratified NYC walls with BS that Apple makes the iPods planned obsolescence and they break in 18 months, which we know it's not true, because there are millions of them alive today) appear on a Samsung comercial?
Here's this idiot that usually makes snark Apple videos, and comparisons between Samsung and Apple phones were (surprise alert: Apple always loses)
That's how they get money for their expensive cameras and luxurious lives, they get money from Samsung and Apple competitions everytime they bash on Apple, even though it's untrue, like the case of the Apple Pencil.
There is no denying, YouTube is a safe haven for Apple haters. People that don't do anything with their phones, don't even leave the house to need a phone.
Samsung is also an astroturfing champion:
Samsung fakes their benchmarks, and even faking them, they lose:
And again:
All your YouTube "references" are invalid.
Apple is the most trusted brand in tech for a reason, and that's because they don't do shady stuff like PO.
(I have said it, look: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/page-17#post-26171196
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/page-14#post-26151432
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/page-13#post-26143049
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-and-planned-obsolescence.2121439/page-15#post-26152274)
The number of times things are repeated on the internet or social media doesn’t make it true. Eg Loch Ness.
I am talking about something different. TimmeyCook said "You are wrong, Apple has been probed by the government and has proven that these conspiracy theories are wrong". I merely asserted that I don't think Apple does it on purpose - so I am not talking about conspiracy theories - but that devices are slowed down anyway. That was what I proved with the post you quoted - as I said, just to be clear, that I'm not talking about any conspiracy theories.
It’s bloatwate in your opinion. I do not find it to be bloatware. I primarily use Google apps on my phone and I do not find any of their apps as bloatware. Most of their apps are actually better on iOS than Android
No it doesn’t because if I can slow down the operating system on my computer and the benchmarks are not affected, your criteria of evaluating performance on synthetics is improper.
How about you prove where they have cheated in this test?
How do we know Apple isn’t paying off the benchmark articles you linked? Here is Phil Schiller linking Tomsguide. So Apple has paid em off.
https://mobile.twitter.com/pschiller/status/911027664646893568?lang=en
How do we know Dxomark hasn’t been paid off by Apple?
Here is a Phil Schiller tweeting the Speedtest of a YouTuber who Samsung has paid off
https://twitter.com/pschiller/status/710270351469465600
A top Apple executive calling iPhone a speed champ based on a YouTube video. Unreal!
My phone performs at half speed. It performs almost identically to the YouTube video I posted on the iPhone 6.
The synthetic benchmarks do not reflect system performance as iOS 12 is faster than iOS 11 but the synthetic benchmark scores the same.
Likewise iOS 8 is faster than iOS 11 but the synthetic benchmark scores the same.
My computer with an antivirus is slower than a computer without one but it still scores the same in synthetic benchmarks.
No it’s an opinion. If Geekbench founder as able to find throttlegate in the results, Futuremark a gold standard of benchmarking should have been able to.
So you speak for everyone? There’s only 2 guys on this thread who will see that. I7guy and CDM.
You are wrong, Apple has been even probed by the government and has proven that those conspiracy theories are WRONG!
Apple is not Samsung.
Here's the Samsung talking heads. The most viewed, most influential YouTube stars...
Wonder why the most influential and most viewed YouTube stars (that idiot Casey Neistat that gratified NYC walls with BS that Apple makes the iPods planned obsolescence and they break in 18 months, which we know it's not true, because there are millions of them alive today) appear on a Samsung comercial?
Here's this idiot that usually makes snark Apple videos, and comparisons between Samsung and Apple phones were (surprise alert: Apple always loses)
That's how they get money for their expensive cameras and luxurious lives, they get money from Samsung and Apple competitions everytime they bash on Apple, even though it's untrue, like the case of the Apple Pencil.
There is no denying, YouTube is a safe haven for Apple haters. People that don't do anything with their phones, don't even leave the house to need a phone.
Samsung is also an astroturfing champion:
Samsung fakes their benchmarks, and even faking them, they lose:
And again:
All your YouTube "references" are invalid.
Apple is the most trusted brand in tech for a reason, and that's because they don't do shady stuff like PO.
Exactly why I don’t trust synthetic benchmarks. How do I know Apple isn’t doing the same thing? They were already caught blindsiding their customers with Throttlegate.
Post speaks for me. But other than that Samsung got caught multiple times. Apple got caught cheating exactly how many times? iOS 8 is slower than iOS 9 that’s a fact. Performance is relative to what you are measuring which is why these posts go in a circle. These idiotic Youtube videos for example that look at boot times come to mind.
Opinions are confused with facts. I’ll leave it at that.
Power management was announced. And because of the ease of manipulating videos I don’t trust Youtube videos. See how easy it is to discredit the opposite point of view?
It's easy to catch Samsung because they do not have enough control over Android to disguise it. It's not easy to catch Apple as they control both hardware and software. Regardless I no longer trust Apple after Throttlegate and touch Disease. That's twice they have tried to pull a fast one on customers.
iOS 8 is faster than iOS 9 in real world usage. I do not follow those idiotic benchmarks as on my computer, I was able to slow down the system without affecting the benchmark.
Every electronic has power management. They announced nothing new. What every electronic doesn't do is throttle to half speed the moment the device is switched on.
What should have been announced was since a couple of batteries are not capable of maintaining load, some phones have been throttled and to visit the store to get it fixed. Not sneakily slow down the phone. I have all the money I need to fix a stupid issue like this. What I do not have is the patience to deal with a slowdown.
Apple needs to understand those who spend 1k on phones want the best possible experience even if it involves shelling out some cash for maintenance. My car needs maintenence. The iPhone isn't any different. But the important part is telling me something is wrong. There is an indication in every computer and automobile when something goes wrong. When my motherboard dies, there is an LED which shows me what is wrong. There is an indicator on my car dashboard.
People like me will spend $1000 on a new phone instantly instead of tolerating a slowdown. How am I supposed to take this.
In case you haven't been following the convo, TimmeyCook was discrediting all YouTube videos. I merely showed him how easy it is to discredit the benchmarks.
Do you mean this guy who showes up with an Apple Watch in half of his videos? Why is is not solely wearing a Samsung smart watch if he is on the payroll of Samsung to bash Apple all the time? And why is he using a Macbook as his main driver and not an Samsung laptop?
But yeah, all these Apple hating (but Apple stuff using) Youtube sc...., who indulge in their luxurious fake lives, paid by inferior "competitors" to denounce Apple... You're absolutely right!
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EverythingApplePro probably has more iPhones than my nearby Apple Store. No question of him manipulating videos to Samsung’s benefit. He is a hardcore Apple fan.
I’m with him on the Youtube videos and I still trust Apple. You are not the only one spending $1000 on a phone, so says Tim Cook, the real one. Ymmv.
iOS 9 is factually faster than iOS 8. It’s proven.
Definitely which is why I find what Apple did insulting as they implied I cannot afford a simple repair after spending this much on a phone.
You don’t know that as the benchmarks can be manipulated. For all I know, Apple could be overclocking the CPU when the benchmark software is detected on iOS 9.iOS 9 is factually faster than iOS 8. It’s proven.
You and I don't have the same axe to grind with apple. I have no axe to grind.
Apple hasn't been caught cheating like Samsung and given the companies stance (on most things) I trust them not to do what Samsung did.
Are you seriously throwing your hat into the ring with those who think that the videos that have been posted are, at best “anecdotal”, or at worst, part of a global Google conspiracy?
I think Radeon has shown remarkable patience and constraint against this incredible barrage.
There is a middle ground here, and you could show some character by addressing some of the more nonsensical arguments on the pro-Apple side, instead of leaping onto the most obvious and easy point of minor contention you could find.
Or do you believe that all the content of all the videos hosted on YouTube are controlled by Google, too?
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I’m is possible to change one’s tune as a debate evolves. Some might say that’s the whole point of having a debate :-/
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I’m with him on the Youtube videos and I still trust Apple. You are not the only one spending $1000 on a phone, so says Tim Cook, the real one. Ymmv.
iOS 9 is factually faster than iOS 8. It’s proven.
The CPU benchmark is faster. That’s different than the OS itself being faster. I mean you understand the difference, right?
If you believe them, that's on you. Unless Apple shows some customer friendly moves in the future(like they did with iOS 12), I don't trust them. For that matter I don't trust any market leader in any segment. They are all businesses with a motive for profit maximization and they will do it whichever way it works in their favour. We even have one of their executives narrowly escaping jail time for tax evasion. They are not going to have my best interests at heart and I recognize that.
Yes, I believe them. And you don’t and don’t trust them and that’s on you. Yep,!i am finally glad you agree that Tim Cook has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits. But companies (except for Samsung) don’t get to do that by cheating customers.
Apple has not been found to have broken any laws. The Ireland thing is a red-herring at best, grandstanding at worst. But you believe what you want.
I realized the aim is to maximise profits and not get caught cheating or exploiting loopholes in the law. They will take the profits whichever way it comes. Touch Disease, Throttlegate, the keyboard issue, the low quality screws on the Mac VESA mount, the 7 Plus mic issue. Yup I trust Apple 100% to do whats right for the customer
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I mean one would also wonder why Apple doesn't upload all their marketing videos on Vimeo or Dailymotion and stop their YouTube channel.
I am changing my arguments as some of the members here are and I have to detractt. I vaguely remember a certain someone in this thread mocking Samsung phones for throttling 3-4 years ago by saying whats the use of being a Lamborghini which throttles to a stop because the engine is overheating while the iPhone was retaining max performance throughout but now that Apple does it, all is forgiven and there is a perfectly valid reason for it.
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