iOS 12 and planned obsolescence

[Abazigal]

Soooo.... Did your phone slow down... Or not? I am very curious now, as it seems this question is being avoided like the plague. (My assumption would be that the answer is yes, based on the constant changing of the goal posts).

For me, it kinda varied. For example, I felt iOS 8 slowed down my iPhone 5s some, while iOS 9 made it feel lighter and smoother. I perceived no noticeable change in performance when I updated my 6S+ from iOS 9 to 10, and I never used it on iOS 11 long enough to form an opinion on the matter (had already upgraded to the 8+ by then).

So I guess to your question, yes, iOS did slow down my devices from time to time, and no, I do not think this is evidence of forced obsolescence (which implies malice on part of Apple).

I do think that the newer features in iOS from iOS 7 to 10 were in part intended to catch up to android feature-wise, and I guess that Apple simply chose to prioritise feature creep over performance and stability.

 

[I7guy]

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If you answer no, you would be blatantly lying. So fine, do not answer the question, but Apple is indefensible.

This is the very definition of baiting and trolling with an ad-hom component to it. The question "Do IOS updates slow devices down?" is a straw-man. Some things may be faster other things may be slower across different devices and ios releases.

Other people are sensitive in a way they claim ios updates "destroy their iphones", and others may not be and it may be slower but not in a way day to day usage is impacted.

But the answer is varied and telling someone they would be "blatantly lying" because you have a preconceived answer is not the way to go about having a discussion.

 

[Radon87000]

Don’t cherry pick specific instances. iOS 9 was factually faster than iOS 8, in a way provable. Which seems like there is no planned part to the obsolescence.

Where was it proven? Before you post the benchmarks, note they can be manipulated just like the YT video.
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This is the very definition of baiting and trolling with an ad-hom component to it. The question "Do IOS updates slow devices down?" is a straw-man. Some things may be faster other things may be slower across different devices and ios releases.

Other people are sensitive in a way they claim ios updates "destroy their iphones", and others may not be and it may be slower but not in a way day to day usage is impacted.

But the answer is varied and telling someone they would be "blatantly lying" because you have a preconceived answer is not the way to go about having a discussion.

Depends on what "some" means mathematically. If majority usecases are slowed down, its a slowdown.
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The main point of something like planned obsolescence is the intent and in some sense cause behind it--the "why" aspect of it--otherwise it can't be what it is as it wouldn't be planned, which is the aspect of it that I've been commenting on.

Now, there's certainly been commentary on the symptoms and effects essentially--the "what" aspect of it--but that aspect of it isn't what I've been involved in nor care to be involved in (as otherwise I would have been involved in it already). The insinuations that I've been involved in that part of it, and have been saying something in particular about it, along with the attempts to deflect things and try to get me involved in that part of it are misplaced.

You want Apple to specifically state in public domain that they slow down older devices. Me, I believe actions speak louder than words just like in politics.
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It is a slight variation of the main subject of the thread, which is Apple purposefully slowing down devices. (Discussions never tackle only the main and absolutely the main part with no absolute deviations whatsoever. Discussions tackle different aspects of a problem). We have been over how we cannot prove that Apple is intentionally slowing down devices. We never will. Now, what we are doing is leaving it aside - as it has been thoroughly discussed. This is what you were really thorough in denying - the intention.
We are saying that fine, I'll grant you that, but that's not everything. What matters, too, is that regardless, updates slow down devices - or so we claim - and Apple (even if it is NOT intentional) does not do enough to guarantee the best possible performance in older - and not so older - devices when updated.
We are asking you a direct question that pertains to the issue at hand - as we are discussing a - as I said - slight variation of the main point, which is what generally happens in discussions, as the "only" - or so you claim - point of discussion has already been cleared, as I said.
Respectfully, you say you are not interested, but you are not, because you are slightly trapped. If you answer yes to the question of "Do iOS updates slow down devices? - intentionally or not, because we have been over that; You would be contradicting your entire argument, because we have discarded the relevance of the intentionality (before you accuse me of being off topic - we have been over that).
If you answer no, you would be blatantly lying. So fine, do not answer the question, but Apple is indefensible.

PD: I hope you don't find offense in this post. I'm not attacking you, I'm addressing why I think the issue you claim is not relevant, actually is. No offense intended. Cheers.

Also unlike Android, you have to be on the latest iOS version to enjoy the latest apps and games and security fixes and even get service st the Apple Store. On Android, you can stay put on a lower version and yet enjoy all these things. So Apple will not rest until you use a slow OS on your phone if you want to enjoy everything. That's forced obsolescence.

 

[FeliApple]

This is the very definition of baiting and trolling with an ad-hom component to it. The question "Do IOS updates slow devices down?" is a straw-man. Some things may be faster other things may be slower across different devices and ios releases.

Other people are sensitive in a way they claim ios updates "destroy their iphones", and others may not be and it may be slower but not in a way day to day usage is impacted.

But the answer is varied and telling someone they would be "blatantly lying" because you have a preconceived answer is not the way to go about having a discussion.

As I told you, you have answered the question. You said, yes, maybe it does slow down devices, but it doesn't really affect me, and it does not impact my day-to-day use, I told you it was fine. Of course, I don't expect you to agree on the degree it affects performance, because it is subjective, but I asked if he thought whether it slowed it down generally, and it eventually does. Perhaps not noticeably - or not at all - in ONE iOS update (as an example, iPhone 6s/ iPad Pro 9.7) from iOS 9 to iOS 10, in which performance remained the same, but you cannot take that as the norm, because it isn't. There are a plethora of cases in which performance was affected severely - in my opinion - and picking one with a new device - or the newest - doesn't invalidate the argument.
To return to what you said about my ad-hominem, it isn't, because I outlined the outcome of both possible answers, and he gave none, so I am considering a hypothetical reply, and not attacking him on what he said.
You are right on the strawman part, but in a different way. I admit my argument was flawed - I am referring to the part in which I tackle an issue that was related to the main point but was not the main point. You can leave it there and classify everything as flawed and irrelevant, but I brought that up, because we have exhausted debate on the main issue, and I wanted to know his opinion on a highly related - but not the original, which by definition, makes my argument a strawman.
If he wants to only stick to the main point and absolutely refuse to partake in the discussion of any related topics, it is fine and flawless (logically and argumentatively speaking, and I did tell him I agreed on that) but I do not find it acceptable. It is highly related, and therefore relevant to the issue at hand, even if it isn't the issue at hand itself. As I said, discussion varies. (Which by definition makes my argument a strawman, but I tackled that already).
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Where was it proven? Before you post the benchmarks, note they can be manipulated just like the YT video.
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Depends on what "some" means mathematically. If majority usecases are slowed down, its a slowdown.
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You want Apple to specifically state in public domain that they slow down older devices. Me, I believe actions speak louder than words just like in politics.
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Also unlike Android, you have to be on the latest iOS version to enjoy the latest apps and games and security fixes and even get service st the Apple Store. On Android, you can stay put on a lower version and yet enjoy all these things. So Apple will not rest until you use a slow OS on your phone if you want to enjoy everything. That's forced obsolescence.

The part I find is forced obsolescence is the Apple forces you to update if you have to restore. That can be considered planned obsolescence, even if Apple does not admit it.

 

[I7guy]

Where was it proven? Before you post the benchmarks, note they can be manipulated just like the YT video.
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Depends on what "some" means mathematically. If majority usecases are slowed down, its a slowdown.
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You want Apple to specifically state in public domain that they slow down older devices. Me, I believe actions speak louder than words just like in politics.
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Also unlike Android, you have to be on the latest iOS version to enjoy the latest apps and games and security fixes and even get service st the Apple Store. On Android, you can stay put on a lower version and yet enjoy all these things. So Apple will not rest until you use a slow OS on your phone if you want to enjoy everything. That's forced obsolescence.

Maybe banchmarks are manipulated but they are more repeatable than a human being attempting to press two buttons at the same time plus the video manipulation aspect of it. It’s enough of a talking point to counter these discussions that generally go around in circles.

Additionally these are discussion forums not scientific treatises. So if one is being pedantic by saying if one thing is slow it’s all slower, the counter is that if one thing is faster it’s all faster. All or nothing’s are generally strawman.

 

[mrochester]

As I told you, you have answered the question. You said, yes, maybe it does slow down devices, but it doesn't really affect me, and it does not impact my day-to-day use, I told you it was fine. Of course, I don't expect you to agree on the degree it affects performance, because it is subjective, but I asked if he thought whether it slowed it down generally, and it eventually does. Perhaps not noticeably - or not at all - in ONE iOS update (as an example, iPhone 6s/ iPad Pro 9.7) from iOS 9 to iOS 10, in which performance remained the same, but you cannot take that as the norm, because it isn't. There are a plethora of cases in which performance was affected severely - in my opinion - and picking one with a new device - or the newest - doesn't invalidate the argument.
To return to what you said about my ad-hominem, it isn't, because I outlined the outcome of both possible answers, and he gave none, so I am considering a hypothetical reply, and not attacking him on what he said.
You are right on the strawman part, but in a different way. I admit my argument was flawed - I am referring to the part in which I tackle an issue that was related to the main point but was not the main point. You can leave it there and classify everything as flawed and irrelevant, but I brought that up, because we have exhausted debate on the main issue, and I wanted to know his opinion on a highly related - but not the original, which by definition, makes my argument a strawman.
If he wants to only stick to the main point and absolutely refuse to partake in the discussion of any related topics, it is fine and flawless (logically and argumentatively speaking, and I did tell him I agreed on that) but I do not find it acceptable. It is highly related, and therefore relevant to the issue at hand, even if it isn't the issue at hand itself. As I said, discussion varies. (Which by definition makes my argument a strawman, but I tackled that already).
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The part I find is forced obsolescence is the Apple forces you to update if you have to restore. That can be considered planned obsolescence, even if Apple does not admit it.

It can only be considered planned obsolescence if the code was written *specifically* to slow down devices. If the code was written and slow down was a by-product of that development, that is not planned obsolescence, that’s just unoptimised code.

 

[barjam]

Planned obsolescence isn’t reality. Technology is moving fast. Optimizing software is expensive and not a particularly great use of developer time. Most people own a phone for what, 2 maybe 3 years? Spending huge amounts of resources to ensure the os is performant as it can be on old hardware is a waste of time and resources.

If they added lines of code line “if device = iPhone 5 Sleep 1000” sure. They don’t. They just update the software and add new features. These additions don’t run as well on old hardware.

 

[C DM]

It can only be considered planned obsolescence if the code was written *specifically* to slow down devices. If the code was written and slow down was a by-product of that development, that is not planned obsolescence, that’s just unoptimised code.

Although somewhat generalized, that kind of thing is basically what it really comes down to.

 

[FeliApple]

It can only be considered planned obsolescence if the code was written *specifically* to slow down devices. If the code was written and slow down was a by-product of that development, that is not planned obsolescence, that’s just unoptimised code.

My entire point is that Apple should do more to avoid these slowdowns. If not, my answer to Barjam that follows this post is my suggestion.
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Planned obsolescence isn’t reality. Technology is moving fast. Optimizing software is expensive and not a particularly great use of developer time. Most people own a phone for what, 2 maybe 3 years? Spending huge amounts of resources to ensure the os is performant as it can be on old hardware is a waste of time and resources.

If they added lines of code line “if device = iPhone 5 Sleep 1000” sure. They don’t. They just update the software and add new features. These additions don’t run as well on old hardware.

Fine. Then do not force me to update. Allow me to restore to the same version I am in. Allow me to downgrade. Stop the persistent nagging in order to update. Tell support to stop telling people to update as a suggestion for everything.
I am not against not optimizing. Fine. Don't do it. But give me a solution.

 

[mrochester]

My entire point is that Apple should do more to avoid these slowdowns. If not, my answer to Barjam that follows this post is my suggestion.
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Fine. Then do not force me to update. Allow me to restore to the same version I am in. Allow me to downgrade. Stop the persistent nagging in order to update. Tell support to stop telling people to update as a suggestion for everything.
I am not against not optimizing. Fine. Don't do it. But give me a solution.

Absolutely Apple should do more to avoid those slowdowns but it is inevitable when developing new features and functionality. It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence though.

The solution is iOS 12.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

This should be renamed the Seinfeld thread because it's 26 pages about "nothing". In case you missed the first 25 pages here's a quick summary:

1) Apple blatantly makes your device worse
2) Oh no they don't
3) Prove it !
4) I just did
5) Oh no you didn't
6) Oh yes I did
7) I showed you videos
8) So?
9) That proves i'm right
10) Oh no it doesn't

Page 2-26 start with line number 1 and work you're way to line 10.

Put down the handbag ladies, you're going to hurt somebody.

 

[I7guy]

This should be renamed the Seinfeld thread because it's 26 pages about "nothing". In case you missed the first 25 pages here's a quick summary:

1) Apple blatantly makes your device worse
2) Oh no they don't
3) Prove it !
4) I just did
5) Oh no you didn't
6) Oh yes I did
7) I showed you videos
8) So?
9) That proves i'm right
10) Oh no it doesn't

Page 2-26 start with line number 1 and work you're way to line 10.

Put down the handbag ladies, you're going to hurt somebody.

Nearly spit out my coffee. I can pull threads like this out for the last 5 years. This is what happens when opinion crosses fact.

 

[C DM]

This should be renamed the Seinfeld thread because it's 26 pages about "nothing". In case you missed the first 25 pages here's a quick summary:

1) Apple blatantly makes your device worse
2) Oh no they don't
3) Prove it !
4) I just did
5) Oh no you didn't
6) Oh yes I did
7) I showed you videos
8) So?
9) That proves i'm right
10) Oh no it doesn't

Page 2-26 start with line number 1 and work you're way to line 10.

Put down the handbag ladies, you're going to hurt somebody.

You are missing a few dozen or so of almost exactly the same threads over the years about the same thing, going in the same circles for pages and pages. (Not counting plenty more that will undoubtedly pop up rehashing the same things and going in the same circles yet again.)

 

[FeliApple]

You are missing a few dozen or so of almost exactly the same threads over the years about the same thing, going in the same circles for pages and pages. (Not counting plenty more that will undoubtedly pop up rehashing the same things and going in the same circles yet again.)

Maybe because people actually see that Apple is not modifying its abhorrent attitude towards performance in iOS updates? Just a conjecture.

 

[C DM]

Maybe because people actually see that Apple is not modifying its abhorrent attitude towards performance in iOS updates? Just a conjecture.

And yet isn't iOS 12 the opposite of that basically (which is what seemingly prompted this particular thread)?

 

[FeliApple]

And yet isn't iOS 12 the opposite of that basically (which is what seemingly prompted this particular thread)?

The original post addressed that. Also, I want to see how does the general launch of iOS 12 ends up being. I hope - for the sake of those who update - that Apple's promises end being true.

 

[C DM]

Maybe because people actually see that Apple is not modifying its abhorrent attitude towards performance in iOS updates? Just a conjecture.

The original post addressed that.

So essentially we are saying that the same things keep on coming up and going in circles because Apple isn't doing anything about it...and now because Apple is doing something about it? So basically it's the same thing either way.

 

[FeliApple]

So essentially we are saying that the same things keep on coming up and going in circles because Apple isn't doing anything about it...and now because Apple is doing something about it? So basically it's the same thing either way.

You stated that this topic kept coming up. I merely stated why it kept coming up throughout the years. Nothing else. Maybe I should have said "because Apple was not - until now (or so Apple claims) - doing anything about it.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

Absolutely Apple should do more to avoid those slowdowns but it is inevitable when developing new features and functionality. It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence though.

The solution is iOS 12.

This is hilarious! Now the "planned obsolescence" crowd are rallying around absolutes again. "It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence..." Brilliant. Thanks for letting us know.

The truth is that nobody can ever know, as has been acknowledged many times in this thread already. It would be great if you could read what's been written before jumping into a repeat of what's already been discussed ad infinitum.

(BTW - It is an utterly naive position to take that any and all forms of planned obsolescence MUST stem from code that essentially says "makeDeviceSlow = true".)
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This should be renamed the Seinfeld thread because it's 26 pages about "nothing". In case you missed the first 25 pages here's a quick summary:

1) Apple blatantly makes your device worse
2) Oh no they don't
3) Prove it !
4) I just did
5) Oh no you didn't
6) Oh yes I did
7) I showed you videos
8) So?
9) That proves i'm right
10) Oh no it doesn't

Page 2-26 start with line number 1 and work you're way to line 10.

Put down the handbag ladies, you're going to hurt somebody.

It's actually more like this:

1) Apple makes your device worse with updates - possibly planned obsolescence
2) It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence
3) Why?
4) Because I said so, plus I'm not even sure devices do get slower
5) Well here's a ton of videos showing that they do
6) You can't believe them. They're on YouTube, and that's owned by Google, and Google makes Android, and Android is a competitor to Apple. QED.
7) ??? So you really don't believe Apple updates slow down devices?
8) I refuse to say
9) Well can we just agree that, even if it isn't intentional, that the side effect is a slower device?
10) It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence
Go to 3

 

[FeliApple]

This is hilarious! Now the "planned obsolescence" crowd are rallying around absolutes again. "It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence..." Brilliant. Thanks for letting us know.

The truth is that nobody can ever know, as has been acknowledged many times in this thread already. It would be great if you could read what's been written before jumping into a repeat of what's already been discussed ad infinitum.

(BTW - It is an utterly naive position to take that any and all forms of planned obsolescence MUST stem from code that essentially says "makeDeviceSlow = true".)
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It's actually more like this:

1) Apple makes your device worse with updates - possibly planned obsolescence
2) It definitely isn't planned obsolescence
3) Why?
4) Because I said so, plus I'm not even sure devices do get slower
5) Well here's a ton of videos showing that they do
6) You can't believe them. They're on YouTube, and that's owned by Google, and Google makes Android, and Android is a competitor to Apple. QED.
7) ??? So you really don't believe Apple updates slow down devices?
8) I refuse to say

You said this better than I could. Brilliantly put.

 

[I7guy]

This is hilarious! Now the "planned obsolescence" crowd are rallying around absolutes again. "It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence..." Brilliant. Thanks for letting us know.

The truth is that nobody can ever know, as has been acknowledged many times in this thread already. It would be great if you could read what's been written before jumping into a repeat of what's already been discussed ad infinitum.

(BTW - It is an utterly naive position to take that any and all forms of planned obsolescence MUST stem from code that essentially says "makeDeviceSlow = true".)
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It's actually more like this:

1) Apple makes your device worse with updates - possibly planned obsolescence
2) It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence
3) Why?
4) Because I said so, plus I'm not even sure devices do get slower
5) Well here's a ton of videos showing that they do
6) You can't believe them. They're on YouTube, and that's owned by Google, and Google makes Android, and Android is a competitor to Apple. QED.
7) ??? So you really don't believe Apple updates slow down devices?
8) I refuse to say
9) Well can we just agree that, even if it isn't intentional, that the side effect is a slower device?
10) It is absolutely NOT planned obsolescence
Go to 3

You forgot 9a and 9b.:

9a) We can agree that apple works on the underlying o/s code to make it more efficient between release. There are benchmarks to prove it.
9b) Benchmarks can be manipulated. See Samsung.

 

[Radon87000]

Maybe banchmarks are manipulated but they are more repeatable than a human being attempting to press two buttons at the same time plus the video manipulation aspect of it. It’s enough of a talking point to counter these discussions that generally go around in circles.

Anything can be manipulated. So if I cant prove planned obsolescence because YT videos can be manipulated, you cannot disprove it either as benchmarks can also be manipulated and whats worse, YT videos are done by third parties while benchmarks are completely under the control of the company engaging in planned obsolescence. Apple's not a fool to showcase lower benchmarks as iOS versions are updated as it would rock front page news and they will lose in a court of law for intentional obsolescence. They will execure planned obsolescence in a way not meadurable

By the way, those videos comparing iOS 11 and iOS 8.4.1, you say I need to compare the final versions of both operating systems for apples to apples but since both versions benchmark the same in synthetics doesn't that mean the clear slowdown in the videos shouldn't even be there/

It can only be considered planned obsolescence if the code was written *specifically* to slow down devices. If the code was written and slow down was a by-product of that development, that is not planned obsolescence, that’s just unoptimised code.

If Apple knows a particular feature is going to drain performance and yet puts it on older devices, its still planned obsolescence because Apple knows whats going to happen and they still go through with it. For example, the keyboard and settings menu takes 2-3 seconds to load on an iPhone 6. Does Apple not do basic testing of their older devices and ensure basic stuff like this is not slowed down?

Planned obsolescence isn’t reality. Technology is moving fast. Optimizing software is expensive and not a particularly great use of developer time. Most people own a phone for what, 2 maybe 3 years? Spending huge amounts of resources to ensure the os is performant as it can be on old hardware is a waste of time and resources.

If they added lines of code line “if device = iPhone 5 Sleep 1000” sure. They don’t. They just update the software and add new features. These additions don’t run as well on old hardware.

If they don't have resources to optimize for older devices, they should give the user an option to downgrade to a working OS.

This should be renamed the Seinfeld thread because it's 26 pages about "nothing". In case you missed the first 25 pages here's a quick summary:

1) Apple blatantly makes your device worse
2) Oh no they don't
3) Prove it !
4) I just did
5) Oh no you didn't
6) Oh yes I did
7) I showed you videos
8) So?
9) That proves i'm right
10) Oh no it doesn't

Page 2-26 start with line number 1 and work you're way to line 10.

Put down the handbag ladies, you're going to hurt somebody.

Its 20+ pages of pure denial. Some here say Apple must publically come out and say they slow down older devices while some think synthetic benchmarks are a measure of performance. If I were in charge of planned obsolescence, the first thing I would do is ensure all my traces are covered which includes the benchmarks.

You are missing a few dozen or so of almost exactly the same threads over the years about the same thing, going in the same circles for pages and pages. (Not counting plenty more that will undoubtedly pop up rehashing the same things and going in the same circles yet again.)

Well obviously as its been almost a decade this has been going on, the threads will continue to pop up until Apple comes up with a solution to the issue. The fact that Gruber had to ask this issue to a top Apple executive is telling how many feel this way
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Y

9a) We can agree that apple works on the underlying o/s code to make it more efficient between release. There are benchmarks to prove it.
9b) Benchmarks can be manipulated. See Samsung.

If I upgrade my 2007 computer from Windows XP to Windows 10, according to that PC World article you keep posting my device slows down but how can it slow down if it benches the same?

 

[I7guy]

Anything can be manipulated. So if I cant prove planned obsolescence because YT videos can be manipulated, you cannot disprove it either as benchmarks can also be manipulated and whats worse, YT videos are done by third parties while benchmarks are completely under the control of the company engaging in planned obsolescence. Apple's not a fool to showcase lower benchmarks as iOS versions are updated as it would rock front page news and they will lose in a court of law for intentional obsolescence. They will execure planned obsolescence in a way not meadurable

By the way, those videos comparing iOS 11 and iOS 8.4.1, you say I need to compare the final versions of both operating systems for apples to apples but since both versions benchmark the same in synthetics doesn't that mean the clear slowdown in the videos shouldn't even be there/




If Apple knows a particular feature is going to drain performance and yet puts it on older devices, its still planned obsolescence because Apple knows whats going to happen and they still go through with it. For example, the keyboard and settings menu takes 2-3 seconds to load on an iPhone 6. Does Apple not do basic testing of their older devices and ensure basic stuff like this is not slowed down?




If they don't have resources to optimize for older devices, they should give the user an option to downgrade to a working OS.



Its 20+ pages of pure denial. Some here say Apple must publically come out and say they slow down older devices while some think synthetic benchmarks are a measure of performance. If I were in charge of planned obsolescence, the first thing I would do is ensure all my traces are covered which includes the benchmarks.



Well obviously as its been almost a decade this has been going on, the threads will continue to pop up until Apple comes up with a solution to the issue. The fact that Gruber had to ask this issue to a top Apple executive is telling how many feel this way
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If I upgrade my 2007 computer from Windows XP to Windows 10, according to that PC World article you keep posting my device slows down but how can it slow down if it benches the same?

My personal opinion is I would rely on benchmarks more on videos that depict serial app openings, which is the epitome of anecdotal, one-off, etc and much easier(imo) to do video manipulation. See Samsung(it took a while but they did get caught). As far as the number of posts, apple has how many customers? There are those who will be extreme on either end and social media sites such as MR, gives an outlet for that extremism. And there are those who don't believe the same as the extremists and hence thousands of posts going essentially nowhere.

And, tes, you have to compare the latest versions, but the benchmarks between ios 8 and ios 9 (which you distrust but it's really a good tell) is really a good indication that apple doesn't engage in what you say/claim for 5 or more years.

As far as windows, this is about apple.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

If it’s anecdotal why is it consistent across every video? Oh yeah, I forgot, Google made them fake the results

 

[I7guy]

The same reason that if the benchmarks can be manipulated, multiple benchmarks must have been manipulated.