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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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I’m in the same boat as you. Obviously devices get slower. (I cannot believe that I7Guy, TimmeyCook and CDM are insisting on arguing otherwise.) But I’m not sure if it’s as part of a bigger strategy or just a side effect of focussing on new features too much.
Since we know that Apple devices get slower with updates, and since we know that Apple’s finances are good, the one thing we can say with certainty is that deliberately slowing down devices wouldn’t hurt Apple... Devices getting slower already happens and Apple are OK.
We can’t know for sure, but I could easily see that “my phone has gotten too slow” as being a popular reason for people upgrading their devices.
Finally, since Apple are aware of how all their updates perform on their devices, we cannot say they were unaware of any slow down.
I just can’t say for sure if it was part of some bigger strategy, or just the side effects of chasing new features.
If Samsung can get away with a fiery battery, a slowdown would not affect Apple's sales the slightest. These companies are too big to fail. Maybe for companies like Nokia(HMD Global) or Essential or LG, such a strategy would be fatal but for these giants, nope. Short of a self destructing iPhone, nothing can stop Apple and Apple knows it.
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I'm not sure I'd go that far. Apple may be riding a big wave, but they undoubtedly feel the pressure and are rightfully worried about customer feedback. I think iOS 12 shows us that (thank goodness!). Nobody is really "too big to fail" (except the banks, but that's for an entirely different reason).
I'm sure Tim Cook worries about Apple's future success.
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I really hope the trend set by iOS 12 continues as well. If it does, Apple has shut me up on this slowdown issue.
I asked you a direct question earlier to no avail. Here it goes again:
Do you think iOS updates slow down devices/decrease performance, or not?
It is not obvious to me that all devices slow down, or slow down in such a way that is not really noticeable in usual day to day usage. As for the arguing part, this is a discussion forum and not everybody has to have the same opinion.
If you want better FaceID, AR or AI, once the A12 is out and software catches up. Can a system with A9 and 2GB DDR3L RAM perform as efficiently as current hardware?
Windows 8 thru 10 did a lot of cleaning up code, better compilers, scrapping legacy code.
What the 7nm A12 and iOS 12 even catches up, it will leave older phones in the dust. Not deliberate, just not able to handle new features. The foundation for new phase is being created now.
Remember the transition back in 2006 to Intel Macs?
Running 32/64 bit, using an emulator for PPC apps with 2GB overhead for Rosetta - people wanted to overcome the limits imposed and have native Intel code, larger memory address space, support for SATA3 SSD.
The focus on new like FaceID with it's own 2 core processor, more gpu cores to support more pixels, things even an A10 phone won't support.
Windows 8 thru 10 did a lot of cleaning up code, better compilers, scrapping legacy code.
What the 7nm A12 and iOS 12 even catches up, it will leave older phones in the dust. Not deliberate, just not able to handle new features. The foundation for new phase is being created now.
Remember the transition back in 2006 to Intel Macs?
Running 32/64 bit, using an emulator for PPC apps with 2GB overhead for Rosetta - people wanted to overcome the limits imposed and have native Intel code, larger memory address space, support for SATA3 SSD.
The focus on new like FaceID with it's own 2 core processor, more gpu cores to support more pixels, things even an A10 phone won't support.
So basically the degree to which my phone slows down is determined by how much faster Apple’s hot new CPU is going to be? So I should start hoping Apple’s new CPU should show as little improvements as possible otherwise it’s curtains for my poor phone’s cpu. The faster the newer Phone, the slower my older phone because features.
I mean who cares if the keyboard takes 2 seconds to load as long as we get those 1000 extra features I was totally clamouring for.
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You are avoiding the main question of the thread. Has your phone slowed down? I may be wrong but in the past 20 pages you have implied it didn’t.
I'm not avoiding it nor have I made implications in relation to it as it's simply not the aspect of it all that I've been commenting on, as has been pointed out a number of times before, when other similar deflections came up. (And truthfully speaking, that question isn't really the main question of the thread given that it's more about the supposed motives and practices that are involved.)
Soooo.... Did your phone slow down... Or not? I am very curious now, as it seems this question is being avoided like the plague. (My assumption would be that the answer is yes, based on the constant changing of the goal posts).
Seems like I addressed that aspect of it all in the post you quoted. For something to be avoided it would need to be in the way first, as the question isn't about what I've been commenting on, it's not in the way to begin with for any avoidance to be needed. I also have no idea about any goal posts or anything of the sort.
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Seems iOS 12 still has its work cut out if it wants to beat iOS 10.3.3 according to the latest Beta 2 speed test.
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The point of this this thread is planned obsolescence which revolves around the fact that iOS updates slow down the device. So let's bring the thread back on topic. Is your device slow on iOS 11 compared to 10? Please let's be honest instead of trying to score brownie points over one another.
The main point of something like planned obsolescence is the intent and in some sense cause behind it--the "why" aspect of it--otherwise it can't be what it is as it wouldn't be planned, which is the aspect of it that I've been commenting on.
Now, there's certainly been commentary on the symptoms and effects essentially--the "what" aspect of it--but that aspect of it isn't what I've been involved in nor care to be involved in (as otherwise I would have been involved in it already). The insinuations that I've been involved in that part of it, and have been saying something in particular about it, along with the attempts to deflect things and try to get me involved in that part of it are misplaced.
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You can’t determine planned obsolecense from simply comparing the speed of the device from one version of the OS to another because we don’t know the reason why the device feels slower with the new OS version.
We’d have to see the inner workings, minutes to meetings, etc, to be able to determine if Apple had deliberately planned to slow down older devices. If the minutes to meetings simply stated that optimising for older devices was simply a low priority, that in itself is not planned obsolescence.
If the minutes to meetings states that they would deliberately write code to slow older devices artificially, THAT would be planned obsolescence. But I seriously doubt you will find any documentation at Apple that says that.
It is a slight variation of the main subject of the thread, which is Apple purposefully slowing down devices. (Discussions never tackle only the main and absolutely the main part with no absolute deviations whatsoever. Discussions tackle different aspects of a problem). We have been over how we cannot prove that Apple is intentionally slowing down devices. We never will. Now, what we are doing is leaving it aside - as it has been thoroughly discussed. This is what you were really thorough in denying - the intention.
We are saying that fine, I'll grant you that, but that's not everything. What matters, too, is that regardless, updates slow down devices - or so we claim - and Apple (even if it is NOT intentional) does not do enough to guarantee the best possible performance in older - and not so older - devices when updated.
We are asking you a direct question that pertains to the issue at hand - as we are discussing a - as I said - slight variation of the main point, which is what generally happens in discussions, as the "only" - or so you claim - point of discussion has already been cleared, as I said.
Respectfully, you say you are not interested, but you are not, because you are slightly trapped. If you answer yes to the question of "Do iOS updates slow down devices? - intentionally or not, because we have been over that; You would be contradicting your entire argument, because we have discarded the relevance of the intentionality (before you accuse me of being off topic - we have been over that).
If you answer no, you would be blatantly lying. So fine, do not answer the question, but Apple is indefensible.
PD: I hope you don't find offense in this post. I'm not attacking you, I'm addressing why I think the issue you claim is not relevant, actually is. No offense intended. Cheers.
Don’t cherry pick specific instances. iOS 9 was factually faster than iOS 8, in a way provable. Which seems like there is no planned part to the obsolescence.