If a big bug falls in the forest but doesn’t affect usage or performance, is it really a big bug?
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If a big bug falls in the forest but doesn’t affect usage or performance, is it really a big bug?
I mean that's fair, I certainly see where you're coming from and at the end of the day a beta is a beta.
Well, there are a variety of ways to look at an issue: usually it comes down to priority, but severity plays a role as well. So something can be still of a higher priority (and perhaps a blocker) even if it's not that severe, or, on the other end of it all, it can be of lower priority (or at least not a blocker) even it is a fairly bad issue, just perhaps one that is hard to get to and/or doesn't affect many at all.
Also, there's the expectation that beta software WILL contain bugs, incomplete features, and unexpected results... because the point of the beta process is for Apple to get responses and reports of the state of the software at various points along the development process.
Agree. There’s no question that this issue is a significant one in that it is a serious deviation from the desired state. But it does not appear to be affecting users tremendously. There is no doubt though that Apple needs to get this fixed.
If the space gets cleared when apps need it which it sounds like it does as people say downloading lots of big apps/games clears the 'other' space, then Apple won't see it as a blocker bug for public beta.
Plugged my iPad with the iPadOS 14 beta (2) into my Mac. Finder initially showed a ton of space in the ‘Photos’ category, but after a few minutes showed a reasonable storage breakdown — no crazy 125gb of ‘Other’ as displayed on the iPad itself. I think this is a reporting/UI bug but the space is actually there.
Filed a Feedback and letting it be.
Filed a Feedback and letting it be.
What is interesting about this is that yesterday, as I was looking at my iPhone contemplating if I should install PB2 or wait for PB3 (so the device was, and still is, on 13.5.1) - went to my storage and then saw that OTHER was taking 30 GB. Then, as I was scratching my head over this, it changed to 6.3 GB. Then back to 30 GB. It went back and forth like this for a few times. I do not understand... but I'd say that there is some sort of underlying issue with this and it is not just PB2.
Seems to be affecting some people and not others, mine is currently on 6.5gb, hopefully Apple come with a fix soon.
Based on past performance, I’d say it will be a 2 week gap. That said, Apple doesn’t care what I think!
Considering how stable public beta 2 has been, apple might take their time with beta 3, add a few more features.
2 weeks sounds about right. 🤔
I agree, I feel like Apple has been true to their word and learned from the iOS 13 fiasco. Both 14 betas have been great for me, I am in no hurry for a 3rd beta, I feel like with each release we are pushing our luck lol
I also say two weeks on the basis of my Feedback reports. Three or four are marked as “More than 10,” yet all are still open. I’d expect potential fixes to be identified before another beta is pushed.
"Apple has ... learned from ... iOS 13 fiasco". That's rich. I mean, the betas are not here for our enjoyment ... they are to help Apple get to a fully stable and complete version if iOS 14 for release in the fall.
I fully expect Apple to do what Apple needs to do to move the project along with little regard to issues that crop up and cause problems for those of us using iOS 14 beta on our daily driver. I also pretty much expect them to stick to whatever release schedule that they established before the first beta. Subsequent beta releases will not come sooner or later based on how well or poorly any beta release performs, including any issues that arise, bar any show-stopper. It's not a matter of "wow, beta 2 was solid, we can wait 3 more weeks for beta 3". It just doesn't work that way.
Considering how stable public beta 2 has been, apple might take their time with beta 3, add a few more features.
2 weeks sounds about right.
I don’t think it works that way (regarding the additional features).
Recall, however, that Apple is several weeks ahead of us on builds. Stuff that’s been identified in the last week or so is not going to be fixed by the next beta (unless Apple identified it themselves prior to releasing the beta, which probably occurs better than 80% of the time, I’d guess ).
Per the release notes:
Software Update
Known Issues
- Your device might restart but isn’t updated to iOS & iPadOS 14 beta. (64606517)
Workaround: Try removing content to free up additional storage or update your device using your computer.
Also, this expectation of beta software being bug-free is getting out of hand. This isn't targeted at anyone in particular, or maybe it is, towards those who hold this expectation. I've had betas that have refused to complete installation, got stuck in DFU mode and have had to wait two weeks for the next seed, with an unusable iPad. A storage bug is far from the worst.
This is the risk you take with running development software and it's completely optional to use. I get it, its new stuff and cool to have before everyone else but please stop treating it like it's production grade.
If you have bugs, thoroughly report them and wait patiently for the fix.
If you can't handle that, don't use it.
I think that the stability of iOS14 betas has more to do with Apple NOT biting off more than they could chew like they did with iOS13. iOS13 was a HUGE update....sure...1,000 smaller features, but a huge number of them nonetheless. Outside of a restart on Facebook Messenger related to that known issue, I haven't had a single problem with iOS14 so far on my XSmax.
But that is why I wait for the Public Beta version - probably a lot less issues with it for Apple to release the Beta to the public. (I at least would hope so.)
Not several weeks, no. Usually 1-2 weeks. You can get an idea of where they are based on kernel compile dates.