Not sure about all the details. I think it will exclude older devices and OS versions.
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iOS 17 Speculation Thread
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Sideloading question. Why does everyone think Apple has to start another App Store?
The whole point of sideloading apps is to not get them from “the App Store”. On android you don’t sideload from google playstore, you get them from non google stores and developers.
For Apple to make another App Store just defeats the whole purpose of sideloading as you still have to go through Apple to get apps.
The whole point of sideloading apps is to not get them from “the App Store”. On android you don’t sideload from google playstore, you get them from non google stores and developers.
For Apple to make another App Store just defeats the whole purpose of sideloading as you still have to go through Apple to get apps.
Exactly, I think Gurman is wrong about this. Maybe something similar to Testflight only designed to scan apps for malware would make sense, but not a separate App Store. I find that idea highly unlikely.
I really hope it drops today! 👍🏻. I don’t want to wait a whole week.
All of this has been assumptions derived from EPIC lawsuit where they wanted sales through their own store. But just using codes to license software and install from the App Store is the most logical method. Earlier I suggested redeem codes as a similar way. Just allow all devs to use secure web store as the alternative is the simplest. Also this functionality might not show up until enabled in betas.
I don’t understand what you’re talking about with using codes to license software and install from the App Store. The DMA requires that apps be able to be installed outside of the App Store, so any system that requires the App Store to “sideload apps” would probably fail to comply. I think they will likely do something similar to macOS with signed developers, and potentially add additional requirements such as review before install similar to macOS. But it will probably be a bit more restricted than macOS sideloading. A report that dropped earlier today suggests that Apple may required sideloaded apps to go through a review process for which they will charge developers a commission. I think this makes sense as Apple would still make a commission, and it will increase security of sideloaded apps as well. The system that report laid out sounds very similar to the way sideloading works on macOS, with just a couple of additional security safeguards. I guess we’ll see how they plan to implement it soon, hopefully. 👍🏻
I wonder if we could vpn into Europe and download if desired or will they block that
I don’t think sideloading can require the App Store, that would fail to comply with the DMA because it specifically stipulates that apps must be able to be installed without the App Store.
Until we know how they will implement this it’s all rumors. 70 mins to time it might show. Here’s hoping messed up Classical is part of 17.4. Game mode is another.
That's actually a good point.
It may be that Apple needs to fundamentally change how the phone processes apps, requiring Apple to tick some flag or otherwise alter apps that are to be used on affected iphones. If that's the case, there would need to be an "EU App Store" to handle all of those slightly (??) modified apps. But the sideloaded ones would come from elsewhere.
I doubt it will work in other regions. As I mentioned just above, I think Apple will make some change to EU phones that will allow them to run sideloaded apps. Just getting the revised apps will not cut it; you will also need an "EU iPhone".
Here’s the thing though…making side loading available versus having it exclusively are two completely different things.
I don’t think Apple having to allow side loading negates them from having the App Store as it exists today in some form. That’s why I’m on the “two App Store” train…easy enough to have it and limit apps in some way (through developer work, not Apple) to offer side loading capability.
They will comply, but they will NOT make it easy!
I don’t think Apple having to allow side loading negates them from having the App Store as it exists today in some form. That’s why I’m on the “two App Store” train…easy enough to have it and limit apps in some way (through developer work, not Apple) to offer side loading capability.
They will comply, but they will NOT make it easy!
I think that Gurman was likely just mistaken about that, or conflating legit information to mean something it didn’t mean. Making an entirely separate App Store for the EU wouldn’t make much sense, and would also create major headaches for app developers. Imagine having to submit your app to two different app stores (one for the EU, and one for the rest of the world) and having to juggle two separate systems for one OS platform. That wouldn’t make much sense at all in my opinion. I think far more likely if there is any app involved with sideloading at all, it would be more similar to TestFlight, and maybe be used to scan sideloaded apps for malware.
My guess is Apple has multiple App Store servers, (load balancing) depending on your location. So it should be simple for Apple to implement this. Apps would be uploaded to the main App store and get replicated. Time will tell thou.
A report that came out this morning was suggesting that Apple may implement sideloading pretty similarly to the way it works on macOS, but collect a commission from developers for scanning the app for installation approval. Kind of like how macOS gatekeeper scans apps for malware before opening on a Mac, only this service on iOS would be commission-based, and developers would pay a commission for Apple’s software checking before install service.
And this.
www.macrumors.com
Report: Sideloading in Europe Will Still Involve App Review and Fees
Developers who offer the ability to sideload their apps in the European Union will still face restrictions and fees imposed by Apple, The Wall Street...
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Went on twitter and people are already complaining about 17.3 saying there needs to be a 17.3.1 immeadietly.🙄 deserves an eye roll, nothing is ever good enough
Yeah, but I’m not going to say it won’t drop today yet. Sometime’s they’ve dropped at 11:00 Cupertino time and even later. Also, it could drop tomorrow. Less common, but it has happened. 👍🏻
Just think macOS - it has the App Store and you can install the apps from anywhere, if you choose so in Settings > Security. Then during the app download, Apple warns us about a non-vetted developer, if applicable, then (if we still ok it) the download can go ahead. Should be quite easy for them to do something similar in iOS, I reckon.
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