iOS 17 Speculation Thread

[gwhizkids]

Yeah, but I’m not going to say it won’t drop today yet. Sometime’s they’ve dropped at 11:00 Cupertino time and even later. Also, it could drop tomorrow. Less common, but it has happened.

I can’t recall any time that a beta has dropped at 11am pacific time. 10 am (and within 20-30 minutes after) and (rarely for a developer beta) 1pm.

We still have a brief window today, but it may be tomorrow or next Tuesday.

 

[gwhizkids]

Just think macOS - it has the App Store and you can install the apps from anywhere, if you choose so in Settings > Security. Then during the app download, Apple warns us about a non-vetted developer, if applicable, then if we still ok it the download can go ahead. Should be quite easy for them to do something similar in iOS, I reckon.

“Quite easy”.

The architectures are quite different. iOS is built specifically to sandbox apps to keep malware at bay. So this will require a rearchitecting of iOS to allow this.

I hope everyone is happy when this results in more malware.

 

[Kal Madda]

Just think macOS - it has the App Store and you can install the apps from anywhere, if you choose so in Settings > Security. Then during the app download, Apple warns us about a non-vetted developer, if applicable, then if we still ok it the download can go ahead. Should be quite easy for them to do something similar in iOS, I reckon.

And it seems they may in fact do a system like that with a more rigorous before-installation review process if the report from this morning is accurate. It sounds like it may be a system similar to macOS sideloading, but with commission collected from developers for scanning their apps for malware and vetting them before they install on a user’s iPhone. This would be a good way to implement it I think.

 

[Kal Madda]

I hope that the beta either still drops today, or at least tomorrow. Having to wait a whole week would stink… 🙁

 

[Kylo83]

I’m thinking next week, last year there was quite a gap

 

[Kal Madda]

I’m thinking next week, last year there was quite a gap

But this year they have a March 6 deadline.

 

[redbeard331]

iOS 18 rumors pleez

 

[iPhonNick]

I think iOS 17.4 beta 1 will drop tomorrow or next Tuesday

 

[nortonandreev]

I’m thinking next week, last year there was quite a gap

I guess so, especially with the launch of Vision Pro next week.

 

[Orystal]

But this year they have a March 6 deadline.

They are not in a hurry to release the update.

 

[gwhizkids]

But this year they have a March 6 deadline.

You are assuming that Apple will be using 17.4 to comply with the EU mandate. That is not necessarily the case. If it isn’t the case, then the beta does not need to be complete by then.

 

[Kal Madda]

You are assuming that Apple will be using 17.4 to comply with the EU mandate. That is not necessarily the case. If it isn’t the case, then the beta does not need to be complete by then.

I mean, they could use a 17.3 update, but if they’re going to make system-level changes for sideloading, that would likely be implemented in 17.4.

 

[gwhizkids]

I mean, they could use a 17.3 update, but if they’re going to make system-level changes for sideloading, that would likely be implemented in 17.4.

We won’t know what they intend to do until they tell us. It might be a special update outside of the normal beta/release process.

 

[Kal Madda]

We won’t know what they intend to do until they tell us. It might be a special update outside of the normal beta/release process.

It could happen that way, but a normal beta/release process makes the most sense. 👍🏻

 

[john991]

We won’t know what they intend to do until they tell us. It might be a special update outside of the normal beta/release process.

And this update may only apply to EU users.

 

[gwhizkids]

It could happen that way, but a normal beta/release process makes the most sense.

Does it? The affected area (the EU and possibly S. Korea) are a fraction - a sizable fraction but still a fraction - of the install base. To me that would argue doing a special for them and leaving everyone else on the normal beta process.

 

[Kal Madda]

Yep, probably no beta today. 🙁. Hopefully they drop it tomorrow.

 

[Kal Madda]

Does it? The affected area (the EU and possibly S. Korea) are a fraction - a sizable fraction but still a fraction - of the install base. To me that would argue doing a special for them and leaving everyone else on the normal beta process.

If they’re making system level changes to allow sideloading, then they will likely make those core changes to iOS everywhere, but maybe limit access to them by region. But if this morning’s report is accurate, I could see them just adding sideloading everywhere and collecting a commission for verification before the app installs. Similar to the way macOS handles it, but with a more robust verification system with commissions attached. This kind of a system would do two things, increase security of sideloading apps because every app you sideload is from a verified Apple developer, and has been pre-screened for malicious code, and it would also still maintain some revenue from sideloading.

 

[one more]

“Quite easy”.

The architectures are quite different. iOS is built specifically to sandbox apps to keep malware at bay. So this will require a rearchitecting of iOS to allow this.

I hope everyone is happy when this results in more malware.

Alright, I retract the “quite easy” bit. However, is not the whole “malware” topic overrated as well? In 18 years of using Mac OSs, I have never been affected by anything, at some point using Sophos anti-virus for added protection. So I am very curious to see how Apple will handle it in iOS 17.4.

 

[CupertinoSlave]

I say Apple is enabling sideloading everywhere, not just EU countries. If I travel to an EU country, sideload an app then fly back to the states, I cant open the app? It seems way too complicated to do it that way. Plus, they know people are also going to get around any type of region lock.

 

[Kal Madda]

I say Apple is enabling sideloading everywhere, not just EU countries. If I travel to an EU country, sideload an app then fly back to the states, I cant open the app? It seems way too complicated to do it that way.

I agree. 👍🏻. I don’t think a split App Store would make much sense. 👍🏻

 

[MozMan68]

I say Apple is enabling sideloading everywhere, not just EU countries. If I travel to an EU country, sideload an app then fly back to the states, I cant open the app? It seems way too complicated to do it that way. Plus, they know people are also going to get around any type of region lock.

Why wouldn’t it work though?

Apple allowing sideloading will still have rules to get it onto your device…even if that just happens in the EU. Once on your phone, how it got on there or where it works shouldn’t matter assuming Apple sets it up properly.

Sideloading is about how it gets on your device, not how it functions while on there.

 

[sbailey4]

Don’t new updates and betas typically drop around 11:00 AM Cupertino time?

Yes, sometimes abit late. So no 17.4 beta 1 today. Hopefully this week.

No 10:00am PST not 11.

 

[sbailey4]

The MODS need to make a "sideloading thread" and move most of these last two or three pages to that

 

[bigjnyc]

Can't wait for 17.4 so all of these side loading questions can be answered... Will it be limited to EU? Are the reports true that Apple will still review each app and charge for it? <----- Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of this regulation? How will this be implemented......... A .4 release is usually pretty boring but this time around its exciting. Cant wait!